Ketosis isn't an all or nothing thing, you can go into mild states of ketosis, everyone generally goes into a mild state of ketosis every night when they sleep. I personally find it hard to believe he didn't adjust her diet according to her progress because that is generally what all coaches, including Shelby, do. If you follow him, you know the last thing he does is use the same approach for everyone, his diets are all over the place. He might use a similar approach based on size or body composition to start, but these things are adjusted over time. Is it possible your wife was massively overtraining? Adding additional stims? Already on too many stims when the diet started?
You said, "He had them on it (aldactone) for 1-3 months" who is "them"? No coach I have heard of would use aldactone for more than 2 weeks. "dig deep"? I said earlier in this thread it was used for that, that isn't deep, it's basic knowledge of aldactone.
"tranny" really? It's commonly used for gender reassignment in transgender women and for acne, as I said earlier. Yes it's an anti-androgen, but you don't seem to realize female bodybuilders have been using it for almost half a century.
10% bodyfat in 3 months is LESS than 2lbs per week, totally reasonable and even EXPECTED. You seem completely uneducated in bodybuilding prep and even basic fatloss with this statement.
If she was getting rabdo symptoms she was massively over training, that isn't the diet or the tims, that is the TRAINING.
You blame letro and trt on a doctor taking his life? lmao
I think you said Aldosterone when you meant alcactone?
I'm not defending Shelby directly because I don't know exactly what happened, I do know there is a bunch of 2nd hand information being thrown around and all the ACTUAL first hand information I have heard isn't extreme at all, like your case. Also, there is the russian that died recently who had serious health issues and that brazilian that died a few years ago who had undiagnosed heart issues, the others are made up from what I can tell.
You are absolutely defending Shelby and yes you have no idea what happened. I guess Blue Taylor is a liar then? I guess Stephanie Foster is full of shit? Boston has to be lying too? Shelby trained his wife. You are so biased it stinks. I have his protocol here and I have over $2000 in doctor's bills in my hands. My wife is right next to me. This AINT 2nd hand BULLSHIT.
When I heard these videos I was shocked at how these women got the same fucked up protocol as my wife did and some even worse. 2nd hand info.......no mine is 1st hand. So why do I do this? Shelby needs to wake the fuck up and start caring about he WOMEN who give him money? When someone dies take some responsibility and change what the fuck you are doing. When 4 people die, many end up in the hospital and other totally fail its time you get out of the business. In a perfect word this might be considered involuntary manslaughter. With it being bodybuilders I am afraid no one gives a fuck. I don't post on this board much but have been around here since 2009. What got me her this time is I just happened to log on and see the Shawn Wray video. When I heard Shelby's name mentioned I WAS SHOCKED. The disappointment I had in my wife's experience returned. As I looked at more video not believing what I was hearing, I honestly got PISSED OFF. My wife could have been Shelby's 1st victim. I got mad again because I saw a guy who I knew and trusted FUCKED me with this BULLSHIT protocol that was nothing close to being personalized for my wife.
Absolutely NO I don't follow any of these so called coaches, including Shelby. Yes, I know who most of them are. Why should FOLLOW, I spent 27 years lifting competitively and was ranked #1 and #2 in the world in 2 weight classes. I set 14 worlds records. I was a strength coach for many years and have been working in nutrition for most of the career. I teach nutrition and exercise physiology at the college level so why would I follow Shelby? I am certainly not in his fan club or any other coach. I did know Shelby and felt like I could trust him to help my wife. That was a mistake. I should have spoken up 8 year ago but didn't want to make waves. Just a lesson in life.
You don't know why I didn't adjust her diet? Seriously bro, you are showing a huge amount of bias. You obviously have never had a job where you worked 7 days a week 12-15 hour a day. I was lucky to be able to drive 45 miles go to my own bed to sleep and then back. Didn't I make that clear a few times? THUS, I paid someone I though I could trust to help my wife. If I have run behind Shelby checking everything he does when I don't have the time and making adjustments then why the fuck would I pay him $500 for a month? That is honestly stupid question and to most likely to cover for Shelby's irresponsibility and incompetency. If I pay a mechanic to fix my car and have to run behind them redoing what they did, why the fuck do I even pay them? Yeah, I know Shelby too and have known him since maybe 2010, at least I thought I did. Yes I FUCKED UP and should have never wasted a dime. I FUCKED UP and should have exposed him 8 years ago after my wife spent over $2000 in an endocrinologist office. But I kept my mouth shut about it. After seeing these videos and realize someone I thought I knew and trusted FUCKED me with a bullshit cut and past protocol I am even more pissed. The same BULLSHIT that everyone else seems to get and the same BULLSHIT that killed 4 women. My wife was lucky to not be the 1st to die.
You are absolutely wrong a about ketones. In order to be in ketosis you have to have less than 50g/d of carbohydrate and very low carbohydrate diet is not a ketogenic diet. My wife has both keto strips and a blood ketone meter and tested herself on this BULLSHIT diet and there was not a trace of ketones either way. She kept doing the diet because I trusted Shelby to do the right thing. I had this very discussion in length about ketosis and Shelby was present years back. There is a huge misconception that low carb and high protein is Keto. WRONG. High fat is keto. In order for the liver to produce the ketones acetoacetate levels(urine), β-hydroxybutyrate (blood) and acetone (breath) there has to be an absence of carbohydrate in the diet. This has been determined to be less than 50g/d for most. DEPENDING on how much protein you take in. Now Shelby had my wife, who weighed in @ 78kg on 226g of protein/d. On a keto diet you can't take in any more than 1.2 - 2g/kg of protein, this would have been 98-156g protein/d for my wife. Now why is this important, because research has shown that more than this amount quickly converts to glucose through gluconeogenesis. Now you are kicked out of ketosis because there is ample glucose in the body to function and ketones are not needed. Fats....dietary fat in order to be in ketosis has to be >150g/d. So a diet taking in 40% fat is NOT keto. Bro, I can't count how much research I have read over this how many experts I have discussed this with like Dr. Steve Phinney and Dr. Jeff Volek and even Dr. Mauro Di Pasquale, since the 80's. My wife has been researching this since about then too and been on a ketogenic diet most of her life. But she trusted Shelby to do the right thing. It is a very simple thing to test to see if you are in any form of fashion of ketosis...1) urine (keto strips) which test for acetoacetate; blood ketone machine which test for β-hydroxybutyrate and breath, which test for acetone. If you are not showing a trace of ketones you are not in ketosis and still burning glucose. Very low carbohydrate diets are not ketogenic diets and ketones are not being produced. Very low carb diets are typically >50g to 150g of carbs/d.
So is it uncommon to burn fat at rest? Absolutely not, at rest, fat constitutes as much as
85 percent of calories burned. The breakdown of fatty acids, called
fatty acid oxidation or
beta (β)-oxidation which is converted into acetyl CoA, to be used by the KREBS cycle which later on produces ATP for energy. If excessive acetyl CoA is created from the oxidation of fatty acids and the Krebs cycle is overloaded and cannot handle it, the acetyl CoA is diverted to create
ketone bodies. Therefore, when glucose levels/carbohydrate intake are low, triglycerides can be converted into acetyl CoA molecules and used to generate ATP through aerobic respiration (see above). This is NOT ketosis but lipolysis. Ketosis does not happen quickly and the body must be depleted of glucose for a long period of time. That certainly doesn't mean we are in ketosis at rest. Hell test it for yourself. IN order for the body to be in ketosis β-hydroxybutyrate, acetoacetate, and acetone levels produced n the liver have to be detectable, that takes more than sleep or rest. This is not going to happen UNLESS you take in less than 50g of carbohydrate per day. Sleeping, rest or what ever you want to do. Just the blood glucose levels dropping does not signify ketosis.
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