Shoulder Training question

[Beta]

What? a thread not about drugs?


Ok, so here is my quandary.

My shoulders are really round, but tend to lack cuts at the bottom, particularly where they meet at the triceps. My arms are a weak point (short attachments) so this looks a little weird IMO b/c of the imbalance.

I was trying to sort out a way to increase the resistance during the lower point of the movement (am i on the right track with this thinking?)

What I came up with was: What if i did single arm dumbell flies while leaning on an inclined bench, say 45 degrees or so. This making the beginning of the fly motion somewhat vertical instead of more horizontal like with a standing fly.

Am I on the right track with this thinking? I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks guys.

 

[tatteredxangelx]

I would need to see a picture before I made a suggestion ...

 

[MilitaryMuscle]

I would need to see a picture before I made a suggestion ...

Yeah its kind of hard to picture....


Try heavy DB laterals. Not real strict. Just focus on bringing your elbows up. I like to start the movement where my hands are right where your hip flexors are(maybe a little lower but in that general area... not completely on the side or in the front).... its also important to have a slight forward lean. If your to straight up in down youll use to much of your front delts. You can also try partials/hold at the bottom when you cant get any more full reps.

 

[sbv]

What? a thread not about drugs?


Ok, so here is my quandary.

My shoulders are really round, but tend to lack cuts at the bottom, particularly where they meet at the triceps. My arms are a weak point (short attachments) so this looks a little weird IMO b/c of the imbalance.

I was trying to sort out a way to increase the resistance during the lower point of the movement (am i on the right track with this thinking?)

What I came up with was: What if i did single arm dumbell flies while leaning on an inclined bench, say 45 degrees or so. This making the beginning of the fly motion somewhat vertical instead of more horizontal like with a standing fly.

Am I on the right track with this thinking? I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks guys.

I would say that you're looking too hard into this...

Sounds to me like it's just a case of needing to add overall mass and get leaner, at least the way you describe yourself makes it sound like that. Make sure you have good exercises for triceps, side delts and rear delts. Your flies sound more like they would work the front delts and pecs...

reverse pec deck is good for the rear delts imo if you have access to that. otherwise I like wide grip cable rows, you can try dumbbell work too. I just do some rear delts at the end of my back workouts and never had a problem with mass in that area.

lateral delts are a science of their own. every single guy in the world wants to figure out a way to get better gains in that area.

it just occured to me that you may have been talking about reverse flies for the rear delts. if thats the case then yeah its probably a good exercise worth trying, you can disregard some of my post obviously

 

[Beta]

I would say that you're looking too hard into this...

Sounds to me like it's just a case of needing to add overall mass and get leaner, at least the way you describe yourself makes it sound like that. Make sure you have good exercises for triceps, side delts and rear delts. Your flies sound more like they would work the front delts and pecs...

reverse pec deck is good for the rear delts imo if you have access to that. otherwise I like wide grip cable rows, you can try dumbbell work too. I just do some rear delts at the end of my back workouts and never had a problem with mass in that area.

lateral delts are a science of their own. every single guy in the world wants to figure out a way to get better gains in that area.

it just occured to me that you may have been talking about reverse flies for the rear delts. if thats the case then yeah its probably a good exercise worth trying, you can disregard some of my post obviously

think how you would do rear delt flies on a bench, except instead of having your chest against the pad, you would basically have your lat/armpit area there...i guess its kinda goofy to explain

 

[Beta]

Yeah its kind of hard to picture....


Try heavy DB laterals. Not real strict. Just focus on bringing your elbows up. I like to start the movement where my hands are right where your hip flexors are(maybe a little lower but in that general area... not completely on the side or in the front).... its also important to have a slight forward lean. If your to straight up in down youll use to much of your front delts. You can also try partials/hold at the bottom when you cant get any more full reps.

ive been doing these all along, but lately ive been using a machine where you just raise your elbows...i think i get a bit of an advantage using this a bit more often in my routine just because i have long arms and kinda get screwed b/c of the leverage...i can definitely push harder this way b/c of not having my forearms/wrists get fatigued.

 

[sbv]

Gotcha, yes I can picture that exercise. sounds to me like it could work good.

btw ive been doing a drop set on the lateral delt machine every week (after doing single-arm db laterals for sets of 3x12 each side). i get sick pumps from that and i think its giving results.

 

[Beta]

Yeah its kind of hard to picture....


Try heavy DB laterals. Not real strict. Just focus on bringing your elbows up. I like to start the movement where my hands are right where your hip flexors are(maybe a little lower but in that general area... not completely on the side or in the front).... its also important to have a slight forward lean. If your to straight up in down youll use to much of your front delts. You can also try partials/hold at the bottom when you cant get any more full reps.

i do mine slightly bent with thumbs angled down fairly aggressively when i do dumbells.

 

[Fa Seeshus]

try doing upright rows throughout your workout, between sets of laterals and presses. this will help recruit all the fibers in the delts.

there is a jay cutler shoulder workout on youtube where he does this. cutler does the upright rows with dumbells and pulls them out to the side as he goes up. this exercise looks almost like a super ugly lateral.

 

[MilitaryMuscle]

well then i would keep at it.... get progressively stronger. For me those are the best for delts.