Shutdown, TRT at 27. Need input & Advice

love2build1 · Feb 5, 2014

A little about me and backstory. 27 years old. Started AAS about 18. Made myself as knowledgeable as possible, for an 18 year old mind you. Ran 500mg Test E, traditional PCT. Since then have ran numerous cycles. Most recently ran right at 1000mg Test E and 600mg Tren E. Higher than my normal, usually keep Test around 750 and Tren @ 400. Always ran PCT, recovered fine. This time, I ended around week 5 due to sickness and really just felt horrible from the Tren E. Nearly a month or month and a half after ending, I just shutdown like a light switch libido wise. I felt the metal aspect of it come on about a week earlier. Went and had bloods done, don't have a copy but tested nearly very thing and all came back fine except test was at 197. Don't have a baseline to compare, but obviously well below my "normal"

Have a friend who is a doctor, told him what's up, and now has me on Test Cyp 200mg per week for 6 weeks, then 200mg every other week for 6 weeks. Wants me to get bloodwork just before last injection and report back to see results. His hopes and idea is to taper off and hope to allow for my natural production to come back. Been on for a week now, feel much better. Feel like a man again.

What's everyone's thought on this protocol?
I assume certainly no cycling during this period (just extra Test) while on this "TRT"?

Also, I have a child (conceived while on 2 years ago) and neither of us want more in the future.

So, stay the course - let my body try to fix? Accept TRT as what I have to do and "cycle" with it? Ask for a different protocol?

Thanks for everyone's time, much appreciated.

deerslayer41 · Feb 5, 2014

So this doc wants to inject you with test and hope your natural levels come back? I'd fucking run, he has no idea what he's doing.

love2build1 · Feb 5, 2014

deerslayer41 said:
So this doc wants to inject you with test and hope your natural levels come back? I'd fucking run, he has no idea what he's doing.

Was my initial thought as well (and still)

I was maybe thinking HCG for a while, but even after I mentioned it was never brought up as potential protocol..

MaineGuy · Feb 5, 2014

Your doc has no clue what he is doing. He is just shutting down your HPTA system even more, causing more delay to your recovery. Believe it or not, your body was in recovery mode, after your Test cyp injects, you will shut down again. I'm not saying you will come back to good Natty Test numbers, but your body needs time. You are now going to reset that clock again once you stop injecting the Test Cyp, not a good idea.

love2build1 · Feb 5, 2014

MaineGuy said:
Your doc has no clue what he is doing. He is just shutting down your HPTA system even more, causing more delay to your recovery. Believe it or not, your body was in recovery mode, after your Test cyp injects, you will shut down again. I'm not saying you will come back to good Natty Test numbers, but your body needs time. You are now going to reset that clock again once you stop injecting the Test Cyp, not a good idea.

So what do you suggest? Should I stop the Cyp, and wait it out? I know I feel a million times better than I did a week or two ago, but I certainly don't want to go about this wrong with a "patch" fix. I felt horrible, indescribably..but if I need to stop, and be patient..I will.

HammerT1 · Feb 5, 2014

Have you looked into any of the restart protocols for people who have been shot down for an extended period of time. I'd think you'd bed a good candidate for that. Life long trt if I had a choice wouldn't by my first pick. If I can ever get to a point where I don't need pain meds I'll be trying a restart or serval times versus just staying on trt.

love2build1 · Feb 5, 2014

HammerT1 said:
Have you looked into any of the restart protocols for people who have been shot down for an extended period of time. I'd think you'd bed a good candidate for that. Life long trt if I had a choice wouldn't by my first pick. If I can ever get to a point where I don't need pain meds I'll be trying a restart or serval times versus just staying on trt.

I have looked, but honestly was afraid to self-medicate and risk messing myself up worse. I am open to suggestions..

At this point, from the replies, I'm considering stopping the Cyp, loading up on some Cialis so hopefully I can keep the wife happy, and just ride out the crap feeling I know I'll have and hope it comes back within a month or so, fingers crossed? Only taken one shot of Cyp so far (last Thursday). So considering stopping now, but would like more advice and I'll take my concerns up with my doctor..

HammerT1 · Feb 5, 2014

If it were me. I'd walk into his officer with some of articles on restarts. The meds required for the one I though would work best . Straight up tell him, that's what you want to do. Screw the feeling like crap and hoping.
I literally did that with a proper trt protocol after over 2 years of half assed trt. Told him I went to a clinic, had my new blood work at clinic doses, my clinic doses for test, hcg and AI and sold him on it.

Why take the chances. I've read lots of positive results on numerous restarts from guys who had given up all hope by following the top restart programs. Some with and some without doctors help.

I don't blame you for wanting doctors help but many times this is an area they are lacking in what works and doesn't. Educate yourself and him.

QuietStorm · Feb 5, 2014

how about see an endocrinologist? Hormones are their business.

ALLEX · Feb 5, 2014

Inject 100mcg of triptorelin, wait 2 months and do bloods.

love2build1 · Feb 5, 2014

ALLEX said:
Inject 100mcg of triptorelin, wait 2 months and do bloods.

I ordered the triptorelin, should have in a couple of days.

What should I expect with the triptorelin? I have read and it seems to work well for many many users. Should I feel better within a week? A month? I guess it just depends on the individual.

I do believe my body was recovering prior to getting the script from the doctor. I hit a really LOW week, just horrible, depressed, and if I could have curled up in a ball and laid in bed for that week - I would have. But, that passed. I had bloodwork done and it came back low test, so I am not sure if my mentality getting better was just psychological because I now had the culprit identified, or actually recovering.

I will say also, was able to have intercourse I think 3 nights in a row (took some convincing on my part), but the week prior..nothing, couldn't if I wanted desperately to.

aphextwin · Feb 6, 2014

I know your looking for the right answer to your problem. Try hitting the search function on triptorelin. I'm sure you will find something. I'm not trying to be a jerk….but there's really no such thing as taking one product a recovery x amount of time. Everyones body reacts differently.

Best of luck on your recovery.

j4ever · Feb 6, 2014

love2build1 said:
I ordered the triptorelin, should have in a couple of days.

What should I expect with the triptorelin? I have read and it seems to work well for many many users. Should I feel better within a week? A month? I guess it just depends on the individual.

I do believe my body was recovering prior to getting the script from the doctor. I hit a really LOW week, just horrible, depressed, and if I could have curled up in a ball and laid in bed for that week - I would have. But, that passed. I had bloodwork done and it came back low test, so I am not sure if my mentality getting better was just psychological because I now had the culprit identified, or actually recovering.

I will say also, was able to have intercourse I think 3 nights in a row (took some convincing on my part), but the week prior..nothing, couldn't if I wanted desperately to.

yeah bro you was for sure recovering it would possibly taken a few more months, your friend the doc, well i dont know what he is thinking, you were shutdown from your cycle,recovered a little and now he is going to shut you down again? i have no idea why he thinks that will work, as far as trip im sure its like everything else and individual results will vary, i tried it and i dont think i got anything from it, at your age i would definitly try to get myself up and running again and avoid trt if i could,look up dr g thread and if you try trip i would say at least throw in clomid for a few weeks,after that give yourself sometime, but hey thats me,good luck to ya.

Simpllyhuge · Feb 6, 2014

Maybe now that the tren has been out of your system for a little longer things will be easier to rebound. I know nothing about trip. I do know that your doctor is silly and you only need him for blood work at this point. Not only is the tapering idea stupid but the 2 weeks shows he doesn't understand half lives.
Run another PCT or the trip. I have come off after several years of being on and it sucked but my levels came back.

love2build1 · Feb 6, 2014

Simpllyhuge said:
Maybe now that the tren has been out of your system for a little longer things will be easier to rebound. I know nothing about trip. I do know that your doctor is silly and you only need him for blood work at this point. Not only is the tapering idea stupid but the 2 weeks shows he doesn't understand half lives.
Run another PCT or the trip. I have come off after several years of being on and it sucked but my levels came back.

That's my plan. Thanks everyone for the advice. I've been reading non-stop (as always) trying to further educate myself on this side of the equation. I did order some triptorelin, and am going to give it a shot. So far, I have only done 1 Test Cyp injection and that was last Thursday, not going to do anymore.

Have HCG, clomid, and triptorelin should be here shortly. Past that, patience. I know no one person responds the same as another, and no one product or protocol has X recovery time - this situation is just hard, mentally and physically, so any optimism from people who have recovered are just beneficial for me right now