Site enhancement oil for Masters: Is it worth it ?

[Blueballs]

SEO when done right, absolutely can work in someones advantange. Now im not 100% for the same protocol for everyone, as your using it to shape muscles really (mainly arms) and everyone is not the same. Other body parts can get whacky, keep it to the arms IMO. I like to think of it like trying to be an artist and slowly using it to shape and form the muscle. The problem with SEO is when guys try to use it to just add size. Body dysmorphia sets in, they over do it and they are ruined.

Now something like a nolotil during peak, can be very advantageous in lats, rear delts, and arms-when done right.

Is Nolotil still available? I remember pumping an entire 5ml amp into each bicep back in the day? Was far too much though and gave a horrible swollen look. Fortunately the effects only lasted a short time

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

Is Nolotil still available? I remember pumping an entire 5ml amp into each bicep back in the day? Was far too much though and gave a horrible swollen look. Fortunately the effects only lasted a short time

Yes, that is without a doubt to much! lol! Its still available over seas.. its best to kindve microdose it and shoot in different areas around the muscle belly instead of loading it into one shot. Short lived, but very effective and without messing up the lines

 

[Elvia1023]

( out of curiosity )

My instinct tells me "no"... that it's not worth involving sco products for a Masters competitor ( unless you are an IFBB pro ....maybe ??? ).

But, I wanted to see what others in the Masters age range think about this ? Or, what their experience was ?

Does it make sense to use it primarily to offset the unavoidable muscle atrophy that comes with age ? Or, does it introduce too many risks with no substantial payoff ?

We would need to see your physique to better advise. The answer is different for everyone. SEO can and does do wonders for many though. Even some of the guys with the best genetics on the planet are using it so that should tell you something. It's not always just used by guys for weak body parts. Although it can make a massive difference to a weak body part so you look more balanced which will only improve your placing.

The issue with SEO is people use too much and their mentality is wrong surrounding it. Now if you want to make your arms as huge as possible and take enough to do that then sure they will look distorted and not right over time. Now if you want to touch up certain areas and make them look bigger and fuller on stage that is something different. There is also a middle ground as well.

Some guys have bad body dysmorphia and they don't know when to stop and they keep on going and going until it's too late. I have heard of people injecting ridiculous amount of oil daily into themselves. Although the SEO product also comes into this and people (even very advanced ones) don't understand this. Take syntherol for example if you inject loads of it into your arms and they start looking distorted over time you are not going to be left with enormous and odd looking arms forever. It dissipates over time but can be an extremely effective tool to use if you want to improve a certain area.

Another misconception is all SEO usage looks fake and that is complete nonsense. There are guys injecting it into their various body parts frequently who are deemed "aesthetic" by everyone and you could never guess where they are shooting (especially on stage). Others go the opposite way and as mentioned above you can see they use SEO from 10 metres away. I can think of an Olympian classic physique guy who has an incredible physique and is very balanced and I know he has done many cycles of syntherol in his arms. The difference is he does small amounts and I have never seen a pic of him with his arms looking off.

Post some pics if you can and let us know more details. Although I have never been one to state x isn't worth using because you are only an amateur etc. It's like guys saying to non competitors you shouldn't use steroids because you don't compete. Use whatever you want and whatever you're prepared to take. You might not even need any but it's impossible to know without pics and more info.

 

[Elvia1023]

All the injections along with the pain of it always puts me off whenever I think about SEO’s

Here in the UK synthol type products don’t seem that popular but the mediphorm HLA stuff seems to be the one people go to so could be less painful I guess but probably also less effective and very temporary

That is so common in the UK especially in the final weeks. It's not less painful it's just 1 of those things you get a few people using it and promoting it then one known coach does the same and sooner or later they are all doing the exact same protocol. You get that with anything but as you know the UK BB scene is a small space in many ways and most people are connected in one way or another. Just like all the low test and high primo guys now HA is a more temporary thing which can still be extremely useful in the right situations. I would generally recommend a good quality SEO over that but every situation is different and it depends on the details.

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One thing to add some people have issues with arm injections because of the nerves but most don't. Injecting my arms was literally the easiest thing ever. SEO is a broad term and I can only comment on syntherol because that is what I used and promote. It's far less painful than AAS because it doesn't have the steroid present and the higher amounts of solvents. Syntherol arm injections were very easy the hard part is just setting up to do them daily and being consistent but I had no issues at all in regards to bad shots or pip. Obviously if you are injecting a small muscle group very frequently you will get some soreness when training but that felt great to me. Even my calves were fine as well and would I fuck inject AAS into my calves

Every person is different but if it's just one smaller area it's very easy to concentrate on. I get guys wanting to do multiple body parts and I tell them just focus on one for the first time. Although if they are experienced AAS users it should be nothing to them because it's just injecting oil. Although injecting 4-9 times per day is a very different thing to injecting twice weekly in regards to the difficulty in staying consistent. There are many ways to set up a seo protocol and not everyone needs daily shots and like with anything it's usually a case of starting low and building up over time and accessing as you move along.

 

[gauge22-v2]

I realize lots of people use SEO, but ffs the striations in shoulders have all but disappeared over the last couple of decades.

Is this all from SEO?

 

[SlipKnot7]

I realize lots of people use SEO, but ffs the striations in shoulders have all but disappeared over the last couple of decades.

Is this all from SEO?

Not all from seo, but overuse and misuse of seo can certainly speak for some of this.

The biggest problem with seo use IMHO is 1/ when it's applied by those who have neither the knowledge or the experience to use it the right way ( knowing where in the muscle to apply it.... and when to stop adding more.... ). And 2/ Overuse of oil based products as opposed to water based products that were available in the early 90s ( Esiclene / Formebolone ).

I would compare the use of seo to how fillers are used on women these days. It's half technique , and half art form ( requires a trained eye to know how things should look and what is needed to make things look it's best )

The latest episode of the Dennis James podcase ( featuring Flex Wheeler ) actually do a deep dive into the past use of Esiclene and SEO. It was quite interesting.

 

[SlipKnot7]

Not all from seo, but overuse and misuse of seo can certainly speak for some of this.

The biggest problem with seo use IMHO is 1/ when it's applied by those who have neither the knowledge or the experience to use it the right way ( knowing where in the muscle to apply it.... and when to stop adding more.... ). And 2/ Overuse of oil based products as opposed to water based products that were available in the early 90s ( Esiclene / Formebolone ).

I would compare the use of seo to how fillers are used on women these days. It's half technique , and half art form ( requires a trained eye to know how things should look and what is needed to make things look it's best )

The latest episode of the Dennis James podcase ( featuring Flex Wheeler ) actually do a deep dive into the past use of Esiclene and SEO. It was quite interesting.

It sounds complicated to get it right, with life being a lot easier to just use PEDs / AAS, and just let your body be responsible for making the changes to the muscles.

 

[MackCoach]

Use at your own risk

If you screw up the inject your arm(s) could looked screwed up

Hit a blood vessel to close to the show now you have to try to hide the obvious

Stick your bicep in the right spot you might look awesome

Hit it in the wrong spot you might look like garbage

And chance that you inject it in between fascia instead of in the muscle belly? It’s gonna leak out in between the skin and muscle and you will look like you ate too many carbs

Mack

 

[MackCoach]

By the way…. Just go to your local pharmacy or Amazon and order a HUGE bottle of MCT oil and just pull it and stick it.

No filtration no anything just draw it out straight from the bottle and go.

Nice easy no complications or problems.

 

[KingOfSushi]

By the way…. Just go to your local pharmacy or Amazon and order a HUGE bottle of MCT oil and just pull it and stick it.

No filtration no anything just draw it out straight from the bottle and go.

Nice easy no complications or problems.

Have you done this?

 

[Elvia1023]

It sounds complicated to get it right, with life being a lot easier to just use PEDs / AAS, and just let your body be responsible for making the changes to the muscles.

It's actually quite simple and not complicated at all. You just have to run it sensibly and move up if/when needed. It doesn't take much to make a big difference either. I don't think guys realize just how much SEO is needed to create the horrible look they have in their heads when they think of SEO. Meaning a massive bi-cep that looks distorted and over done. Obviously forgetting about a bad shot but just the volume needed over time. You don't put in 2ml a few times per week over 6 weeks and suddenly your arm is ridiculous. Some of these guys are putting in ridiculous amounts over long periods. They have severe body dysmorphia and don't realize how odd their muscles look and they ignore all sense. I have heard many stories of guys injecting 100ml oil per day.

Most of us are not recommending you shoot SEO in the final week before your contest so a bad shot shouldn't come into it. We have seen many bad shots over the years even at the big shows and most of the time it's something water based they have done right before a show. I have even heard of guys doing water based winny and it ruining their look due to a bad shot. An effective SEO protocol would be done during contest prep but stopped at least 1 week before to allow inflammation to go down. That's not to say some don't run it all the way and it can be done but there will always be risks shooting anything especially when someone is super lean and every detail is showing.

You're making it out like SEO is some over complicated thing. It's just shooting oil into your body just the same as you do with AAS. I wouldn't even say you have to be some master at injecting you just need common sense and to take your time and make sure everything is sterile and access as you move a long. If guys have major insecurities coupled with a desire to be as huge as possible and a tendency to abuse everything then their SEO will probably start looking bad as well. If you just want to improve a body part and move up gradually and your see what is in front of you then it could make a massive difference (or it may not).

 

[specter]

Not all from seo, but overuse and misuse of seo can certainly speak for some of this.

The biggest problem with seo use IMHO is 1/ when it's applied by those who have neither the knowledge or the experience to use it the right way ( knowing where in the muscle to apply it.... and when to stop adding more.... ). And 2/ Overuse of oil based products as opposed to water based products that were available in the early 90s ( Esiclene / Formebolone ).

I would compare the use of seo to how fillers are used on women these days. It's half technique , and half art form ( requires a trained eye to know how things should look and what is needed to make things look it's best )

The latest episode of the Dennis James podcase ( featuring Flex Wheeler ) actually do a deep dive into the past use of Esiclene and SEO. It was quite interesting.

But Flex didnt use SEO

 

[Victory]

It's actually quite simple and not complicated at all. You just have to run it sensibly and move up if/when needed. It doesn't take much to make a big difference either. I don't think guys realize just how much SEO is needed to create the horrible look they have in their heads when they think of SEO. Meaning a massive bi-cep that looks distorted and over done. Obviously forgetting about a bad shot but just the volume needed over time. You don't put in 2ml a few times per week over 6 weeks and suddenly your arm is ridiculous. Some of these guys are putting in ridiculous amounts over long periods. They have severe body dysmorphia and don't realize how odd their muscles look and they ignore all sense. I have heard many stories of guys injecting 100ml oil per day.

Well said!

A bad shot may give you a knot or swelling but you have to dump massive amounts to get that grotesque look.

The main thing I learned was make sure you are massaging that muscle all day. The pumps are crazy!!

Others pointed me to use a small foam paint roller and it worked great!

 

[SlipKnot7]

But Flex didnt use SEO

In fact, during that podcast episode, Flex even admits to using SEO as an Amateur !!! During his prep for the USA that he won ( funny fact, he even out'ed chris cormier as the one who introduced it to him as an amateur lol )

 

[specter]

In fact, during that podcast episode, Flex even admits to using SEO as an Amateur !!! During his prep for the USA that he won ( funny fact, he even out'ed chris cormier as the one who introduced it to him as an amateur lol )

haha damn finally a little owning to it.. now we just need him to say he was pumping the absolut fuck out of it during beginning of the 00´s.. his look changed dramatic in a couple of years.. now i must admit i loved the black and white pics eventhou he is full of oil there..

 

[SlipKnot7]

haha damn finally a little owning to it.. now we just need him to say he was pumping the absolut fuck out of it during beginning of the 00´s.. his look changed dramatic in a couple of years.. now i must admit i loved the black and white pics eventhou he is full of oil there..

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yeah , it's a kind of a love/hate thing with that look. You gotta admit it's impressive looking... but if we're all being honest with ourselves.... the dude is enhanced to the extreme.

He acknowledged that in 99 he over did it ( only in an attempt to catch up to Ronnie ), and cringes today when he looks at those photos now. His inner circle was even telling him at the time it's enough and he should stop. His delts looked ridiculous.

But props to Flex for admitting to using Esiclene as an amateur when he won the USA, and then the famous chris clark Synthol as a pro.

After all these years, I at last have confirmation that his all time best look ever IMHO ( 1992 - 1993 era ) hovering around just 216-218 lbs was on ( arguably the best ) SEO products

Almost justifies things for me to give it a try

 

[Aikman56]

Smart use is fine. I use to do small doses tues-wed-thurs peak week.

9ml per chest muscle. 3 rows of 3.

I’d do 0.5x 3 in each bicep, front and side delt.

Tightens the skin, brings out vascularity pushing the muscle to the surface and keeps you full looking.

Nothing drastic. Less is more, and slowly increasing so you don’t get in under water.

Tons of massage afterwards. Tens units and massage guns work great to spread it around

If you address this and I missed it, my apologies… Are you talking about just regular SEO oil/Syntherol? Or something like mediphorm?

 

[specter]

yeah , it's a kind of a love/hate thing with that look. You gotta admit it's impressive looking... but if we're all being honest with ourselves.... the dude is enhanced to the extreme.

He acknowledged that in 99 he over did it ( only in an attempt to catch up to Ronnie ), and cringes today when he looks at those photos now. His inner circle was even telling him at the time it's enough and he should stop. His delts looked ridiculous.

But props to Flex for admitting to using Esiclene as an amateur when he won the USA, and then the famous chris clark Synthol as a pro.

After all these years, I at last have confirmation that his all time best look ever IMHO ( 1992 - 1993 era ) hovering around just 216-218 lbs was on ( arguably the best ) SEO products
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Almost justifies things for me to give it a try

I loved the freak look, the freaks has always been my favorits like Markus Rühl dude was just an absolute beast.

 

[KingOfSushi]

Have you done this?

@MackCoach

 

[MackCoach]

@MackCoach

Yes