Slin & CEE - A NEW strategy...

[Coopie]

Okay y'all... Give me your thoughts on this:

I have always used Slin post-workout w/ dextrose & creatine. Then, follow that up w/ a protein shake and then a big post-workout meal. Worked well for me - great gains, no fat gain.

My buddy is recommending the following:

Slin (Humulin-R) with Creatine Ethly Ester (CEE) PRE-WORKOUT, slam a Gatorade and drink another during workout. Then, postworkout, dextrose and CEE, followed by protein shake, followed by post-workout meal.

He says that the slin prior to working out will yield greater strength, therefore greater gains and will still be bioactive post-workout to facilitate nutrient transfer. The CEE (1/2 dose pre- 1/2 dose post-workout) will also help with a huge pump during and nutrient support after.

Any thoughts? I've never been a big fan of Creatine, but he swears that CEE is entirely different.

 

[Pittbull™]

I'm not to sure on the CEE. However, having your slin pe-workout IMO is like playing Russian Ruleet(sp?), you can't gauge carbohydrate needs as well as post-workout as each workout is different and lives you in a very unpredictiable situation in which hyperglycemia could strike Very quickly!!

That's just my understanding of it, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong or way off base.

Pittbull

 

[TooPowerful4u]

I'm not to sure on the CEE. However, having your slin pe-workout IMO is like playing Russian Ruleet(sp?), you can't gauge carbohydrate needs as well as post-workout as each workout is different and lives you in a very unpredictiable situation in which hyperglycemia could strike Very quickly!!

I agree with Pittbull here. Even if it is done by others and considered ok to do, i myself would not try it. I dont like having to guess and not be sure exactly whats going on with my slin levels and carb needs. I dont think any1 on this board can say theyv never had a workout so intense and hard that they felt kinda either dizzy, shakey, or just fuckin beat afterwards. Now imagine having slin in your system PRE workout, not a good idea.

Id say take 1 full serving creatine preworkout with like 50g simple carbs and few grams argenine for uptake purposes instead of the slin, then u can do another 1/2 serving in your post slin shake after your workout.

 

[jerrywear]

i did few time slin before training and i bouth time in the midle of the workout i was running to the cooler and grabing carb drink or two just to feel normal,i was shaking like its no tomorow,its just not smart.i think i did get the mesage that we dont need to play with our health like this.i do it after training only.

 

[Snarf]

I doubt any additional benefit would outweigh the significant risks of doing pre-workout slin. I wouldn't try it personally.

 

[Coopie]

Very cool!

I'm with you guys, thanks for reinforcing what I thought...

Anyone try CEE? Any thoughts?

 

[tbonus]

yep, I am gonna be a ditto head and so no to the slin before workout. I am doing the CEE right now and I like it a lot. I take it about 20 minutes before my workout. Last night I trained legs and my strength was through the roof (for me anyway). The only thing I've noticed is I get some unreal pumps. I did take half an IP superclen too before working out and my legs cramped like crazy much of the evening. I am thinking it's a combo of both the clen and the creatine. I ate a couple of bananas and started to feel a little better, but have never felt anything like it. I was seriously considering taking up ballet or tap dancing I was in so much pain.

 

[Jarconis]

instead of using the slin , take about 500-700 mgs of r-ala with the CEE

 

[Coopie]

Yup. I've tried the r-ala w/ cell-tech. Don't laugh, I got the cell-tech for free, and I gotta admit, it's tasty!

I must not be very responsive to creatine b/c I noticed nothing even with about 3 months of use. I have no idea if the r-ala worked either - I was pretty "enhanced" at the time but I still should have noticed "something" from either the r-ala or the creatine.

I will try the cee though. Any recommendations for a brand???

I hear that anabolicfitness.com (anafit) has 700 mg pills? Good?

 

[A50#]

Yup. I've tried the r-ala w/ cell-tech. Don't laugh, I got the cell-tech for free, and I gotta admit, it's tasty!

I must not be very responsive to creatine b/c I noticed nothing even with about 3 months of use. I have no idea if the r-ala worked either - I was pretty "enhanced" at the time but I still should have noticed "something" from either the r-ala or the creatine.

I will try the cee though. Any recommendations for a brand???

I hear that anabolicfitness.com (anafit) has 700 mg pills? Good?

Superior carries CEE.

 

[BigBoyJ]

I just wrote a post on pre-workout slin a few days ago. If you use even an ounce of common sense, you can safely use slin preworkout. Just start sipping the Gatorade immediately after your injection and continue drinking throughout the workout. I always use slin pre-workout when bulking and the results are DEFINITELY better than post-workout. The pumps are insane and your power doesn't fade from set to set. I feel just as good at the end of my workout as I do at the beginning. Plus, I pack on mass like crazy.

Start with a very low dose of slin to get a feel for it. Once you see that you aren't going to die, increase the dose slowly. I use 20 iu's pre-workout and have never had a problem. You just have to keep the sugar coming in at a slow steady rate throughout the workout.

Don't be scared to try new things, just do it cautiously with common sense.

 

[BigHeavy]

Don't be scared to try new things, just do it cautiously with common sense.

Amen to that. When ever I use slin I've always used it pre workout. The Gatorade is a good guideline. I've never had any problems.

 

[Coopie]

BigBoyJ -

Well, here's the deal though - and tell me if this makes a difference for me.

I work out 1st thing in the AM, generally on an empty stomach. I have a protein shake before bed, and I find that the empty stomach makes me use a little more fat for energy. So, in this case, would the SLIN first thing in the AM be too risky?

 

[Ethan James]

I just wrote a post on pre-workout slin a few days ago. If you use even an ounce of common sense, you can safely use slin preworkout. Just start sipping the Gatorade immediately after your injection and continue drinking throughout the workout. I always use slin pre-workout when bulking and the results are DEFINITELY better than post-workout. The pumps are insane and your power doesn't fade from set to set. I feel just as good at the end of my workout as I do at the beginning. Plus, I pack on mass like crazy.

Start with a very low dose of slin to get a feel for it. Once you see that you aren't going to die, increase the dose slowly. I use 20 iu's pre-workout and have never had a problem. You just have to keep the sugar coming in at a slow steady rate throughout the workout.

Don't be scared to try new things, just do it cautiously with common sense.

I am going to have to concurr with you BBJ. I stick a couple of starburst in my pocket and if I start to feel a little hypo, I'll eat a starburst. It's 4g of carbs and that's usuallly ALL it takes.

An endocrinologist will tell you that to get someone out of severe hypoglycemia, all you need is 25-30g of carbs. Thats like 3oz of orange juice, less than half a cup. To get from a blood sugar of 40 to 80.

If you start getting shaky and feel the onset of hypoglycemia, chances are that your sugar is only around 60-65. Then your liver will start to release glucagon and a drop of added glucose (1-2 starburst) should bring you back to "normal". I have said it before, I do not agree with 10g carbs per IU of slin. That's just overkill.

I also workout at 5:30 am and take the shot just upon waking and go to the gym on an empty stomach. Taking a preworkout shot of slin keeps your body anabolic through the entire workout. The pumps and strength are great.

 

[Coopie]

Ethan -

I hear what you're saying, but how does it keep you "anabolic" if the goal of SLIN is to shuttle nutrients onto the muscle? If there's no nutrients in the body, b/c you're on an empty stomach, then the SLIN would seem to be useless for the muscle-building purpose.

That's why I've always had great experiences using SLIN post-workout. I'm not seeing the point if you're not providing nutrients for the SLIN to move into the muscle...

 

[Ethan James]

The answer to that is...

Ethan -

I hear what you're saying, but how does it keep you "anabolic" if the goal of SLIN is to shuttle nutrients onto the muscle? If there's no nutrients in the body, b/c you're on an empty stomach, then the SLIN would seem to be useless for the muscle-building purpose.

That's why I've always had great experiences using SLIN post-workout. I'm not seeing the point if you're not providing nutrients for the SLIN to move into the muscle...

Well, I guess I don't really have an answer rooted in science... My thinking is along these lines: sleep is catabolic, so my injection is just after waking. training is catabolic, so my injection is just before training. I didn't give much though to there not being enough nutrients in my body to create the anabolic environment. I just figured that the blood glucose was enough. And to boot, energy and pumps are like nothing else.

 

[BIGKIWI]

Would not recommend it Isometimes use insulin half way through workout as feel it does have an advantage over using at the end even this is sometimes playing with fire

 

[BigBoyJ]

Ethan -

I hear what you're saying, but how does it keep you "anabolic" if the goal of SLIN is to shuttle nutrients onto the muscle? If there's no nutrients in the body, b/c you're on an empty stomach, then the SLIN would seem to be useless for the muscle-building purpose.

That's why I've always had great experiences using SLIN post-workout. I'm not seeing the point if you're not providing nutrients for the SLIN to move into the muscle...

Here's the advantage. Cortisol and insulin cannot be flowing in the blood stream simultaneously. Insulin shuts off cortisol production. Training of course is catabolic. Why not completely knock out the catabolic aspect of training and leave only the anabolic aspects? Insulin is the most powerful anti-catabolic there is. Of course, it is also a decent anabolic. By taking slin pre-workout, you can take full advantage of both aspects. If you want to up the anabolic properties during your workout, put a little creatine and glutamine in your gatorade. Then the slin will not only cut out catabolism, but will actually turn it into anabolism.

And no, it won't make a difference if you're taking it after waking, as long as you are consuming sugar during it's active life. Like I said, try a low dose of slin to get a feel for it. Get comfortable with it gradually and give it a try.

Hey, Ethan, I wonder where you got all that good info on slin?

 

[Ethan James]

Hey, Ethan, I wonder where you got all that good info on slin?

From the same guy who told me not to bother removing the estradiol from the synovex

 

[Coopie]

Thanks for the great info guys!

I've used SLIN for years, but always post-workout.

I will give it a shot... Ha Ha!!! Get it? Give it a SHOT!!!

Seriously, thanks...