So I decided to gear the rest of my life

[abolish the weak]

Well, I tried coming off cycle one last time and managed to stay clean for 3 months. I used some HCG throughout my recovery, as well as DHEA and tribulus. I felt decent up until about my 6th or 7th week off. As soon as the HCG was dropped it was terrible. Everyday I felt more depressed than the previous day. My energy levels became very low, my appetite was shit, my joints hurt like hell, my mood became too passive(almost like a woman) I'll admit it, I can't deal with it anymore. Also, I can't deal with going to the gym and feeling down on myself and not having a good workout for months at a time. I've come to the conclusion that this has nothing to do with commitment or discipline, it's hormones, period. They'll be your best friend or they'll be your worst enemy. So I'm on again, for good. I'll do 2-3 decent cycles/yr, and then maintenance HRT dose of 200mg test e every 7-10 days or so when I'm cruising. I'm not paying up the ass for some Dr. to start me on the test patch either, or have a bunch of tests done to determine what I already know. I'm going for bloodwork next week, not test count, but blood profile stuff and EKG, pulmonary stress test. I figure WTF, staying on HRT cant be that bad. Sorry, I know too many middle aged people living a great life because of it. None of my buddies in their 40's or 50's who stay on test look their age or act like someone that age. Thats the guy I want to be, not the 50 yr old fuck who cant get it up

 

[jay_dub]

Hey bro if you dont mind me asking... How old are you now, and when did you start? Also, in your personal opinion and experience, do you think a guy could keep dosages relatively low for a few years (maintaining on=off rule) and stop completely for life?

I find this topic very interesting.

 

[loganb_football]

It does take a lot of perserverenvce to get your natural hormone levels back... Till then you have to scoot through life tired and cranky, I myself feel like a million bucks if I use a little dhea after my cycle... But if I dont use it I totally crash!!! Sounds like its not the same for you though.

 

[pesty4077]

Well, I tried coming off cycle one last time and managed to stay clean for 3 months. I used some HCG throughout my recovery, as well as DHEA and tribulus. I felt decent up until about my 6th or 7th week off. As soon as the HCG was dropped it was terrible. Everyday I felt more depressed than the previous day. My energy levels became very low, my appetite was shit, my joints hurt like hell, my mood became too passive(almost like a woman) I'll admit it, I can't deal with it anymore. Also, I can't deal with going to the gym and feeling down on myself and not having a good workout for months at a time. I've come to the conclusion that this has nothing to do with commitment or discipline, it's hormones, period. They'll be your best friend or they'll be your worst enemy. So I'm on again, for good. I'll do 2-3 decent cycles/yr, and then maintenance HRT dose of 200mg test e every 7-10 days or so when I'm cruising. I'm not paying up the ass for some Dr. to start me on the test patch either, or have a bunch of tests done to determine what I already know. I'm going for bloodwork next week, not test count, but blood profile stuff and EKG, pulmonary stress test. I figure WTF, staying on HRT cant be that bad. Sorry, I know too many middle aged people living a great life because of it. None of my buddies in their 40's or 50's who stay on test look their age or act like someone that age. Thats the guy I want to be, not the 50 yr old fuck who cant get it up

Abolish, it is good seeing you back. I noticed you said, after getting off, you can only go about 6-7 weeks, well, just take that much time off. I would suggest for you to go off, though. If I am not mistaken, you are a fairly young guy. I am 48, and I always would suggest at my age to go off for 6-8 weeks. I agree, I don't either, want to be known not to get it up but I don't have that problem, of course my diet is good all year, this will also help.

 

[GymDudeVA]

I'm 47. I always try to go off for 6 to 8 weeks every 4 months or so. It seems to work so much better when I go back on. With HCG and some Adrogel, the crash is not that big....I usually feel old and weak and mildly depressed after a couple of weeks off, but then in another couple of weeks I rebound somewhat....nothing lie being ON, but I like the feeling of cleaning out my system and letting SOME of my natural juices come back....and the rest actually ends up being good and setting the stage for a hardcore return. I sort of think of it as hormonal periodization.

 

[Ness]

I'm 47. I always try to go off for 6 to 8 weeks every 4 months or so. It seems to work so much better when I go back on. With HCG and some Adrogel, the crash is not that big....I usually feel old and weak and mildly depressed after a couple of weeks off, but then in another couple of weeks I rebound somewhat....nothing lie being ON, but I like the feeling of cleaning out my system and letting SOME of my natural juices come back....and the rest actually ends up being good and setting the stage for a hardcore return. I sort of think of it as hormonal periodization.

How long have you been doing it this way? Sounds like a system or pattern that I am "falling" into the last year or so and it seems to work out.

 

[GymDudeVA]

How long have you been doing it this way? Sounds like a system or pattern that I am "falling" into the last year or so and it seems to work out.

Hi, Ness!

Been doing it this way for a few years!!! 4 months on, 2 off is pretty much it. After the 4 months on, the gains and motivation start to fall off and I feel kinda stale. I hit it (juice and weights) hard, so my body needs the rest, I think. Sleep much better when off, too!!

 

[dya]

IMO 2 - 3 month breaks acheive very little in the way of full recovery.I have decided i will do the same until the day comes when i dont want to use AAS,but i will probably need HRT then anyway ! I could come off for 12 - 18 months and totally recover,only to go back on again and be back to square one ! Cycle - HRT - Cycle - HRT etc is my plan now.This advice was also given to me by a top 10 Olympia competitor.He said when he retired,after 4 years clean,his natural test levels where still too low.He now does 250mg test every 10 days......

 

[w8tlifterty]

What if someone in there late 20's or early 30's wants children but also wants/needs to be on hrt. How would one go about this??? I'm only 25 but just wondering what the options are down the road...

 

[abolish the weak]

Hey bro if you dont mind me asking... How old are you now, and when did you start? Also, in your personal opinion and experience, do you think a guy could keep dosages relatively low for a few years (maintaining on=off rule) and stop completely for life?

I find this topic very interesting.

"Also, in your personal opinion and experience, do you think a guy could keep dosages relatively low for a few years (maintaining on=off rule) and stop completely for life? "


You wont want to stop, I said to myself why be Clark Kent when I could be Superman? Thats the way you'll look at gear, as every cycle comes to a close your already looking to the next one wondering what you'll stock up on and do next. Unless you continue to use, you will not look that much better than when you were on, if any. I wish I could be the guest speaker and tell you not to use it, but the truth is I dont regret my use, I'm glad I'm on them

 

[VanR__]

The only way I'm on for life is if it's legal.
Shit is getting too hot under the collar in this climate.

I don't mind the shots each week and having kids are out. I just want to enjoy it and not having a mini heart-attack every time I walk into the PO.

 

[GoneForever]

The only way I'm on for life is if it's legal.
Shit is getting too hot under the collar in this climate.

I don't mind the shots each week and having kids are out. I just want to enjoy it and not having a mini heart-attack every time I walk into the PO.

Just make a final order with a bunch of test. High mg/ml. Thats all you really need for trt and you can up it from time to time

 

[Thor]

AGREED

The only way I'm on for life is if it's legal.
Shit is getting too hot under the collar in this climate.

I don't mind the shots each week and having kids are out. I just want to enjoy it and not having a mini heart-attack every time I walk into the PO.

This is how I feel so I am just going to go to the doc and do it legally.

 

[tatteredxangelx]

Seems like a very immature decision, unless you are over the age of 40, but I am assuming you aren't... Don't play with fire if you don't want to get burnt. Coming off sucks, but it's part of the game.

 

[T TOTAL]

IMO 2 - 3 month breaks acheive very little in the way of full recovery.I have decided i will do the same until the day comes when i dont want to use AAS,but i will probably need HRT then anyway ! I could come off for 12 - 18 months and totally recover,only to go back on again and be back to square one ! Cycle - HRT - Cycle - HRT etc is my plan now.This advice was also given to me by a top 10 Olympia competitor.He said when he retired,after 4 years clean,his natural test levels where still too low.He now does 250mg test every 10 days......

How's his health etc? Asking because im almost 40 and considering this myself as i feel absolutely great when on in all manner of ways.