So is it a fact that longterm T4 wont shut you down

[GoneForever]

Wanting to go on T4 at only 125mcg per day during the next 4months while on GH but im not sure if thats too long to stay on. I hear a few people say that longterm T4 wont cause thyroid shutdown but im wondering how long you can go. I was thinking of maybe 6weeks on/4off/6on to play it safe??

 

[Qwert]

100mcg T4 is about the same as 25mcg T3, & it WILL shut you down. Any introduction of an egsogenous hormone will shut you down. After a thyroid cycle, I start taking mega doses of gugglesterone & a little bit of ephedrine. This helps kick start my natural thyroid production & during the lag, the ephedrine helps ward off fat gains. I use the Syntrax Guggle supp.

 

[Big Bapper]

I had no problems recovering from a 6 monts run of T4 at 100mg ED.

 

[The Wolf]

My buddy run the more powerfull t3 for a freaking year! He was only shut down for 2 months and he went for blood test after that and he was back to normal and still looking ripped to pieces, lucky bastard

 

[chadahoochie02]

how would you run it where it doesnt shut you down, say 2 weeks clen, then 2 weeks t3 etc? or does it not work that way, thanks

 

[norm1220]

I ran t3 for over a year, made sure to taper down, and had no problems at all.

 

[aesop]

T4 is less likely to shut down production of tsh completely, which t3 can do. T4 is definitely a better choice for long term use.

FYI, if you are trying to bring thyroid function back, don't use ephedrine, clen or any thermos as they are quite good at suppressing thyroid function. You should carb up at 300-400 grams per day for a solid week and you should get thyroid function back.

 

[The Wolf]

T4 is less likely to shut down production of tsh completely, which t3 can do. T4 is definitely a better choice for long term use.

FYI, if you are trying to bring thyroid function back, don't use ephedrine, clen or any thermos as they are quite good at suppressing thyroid function. You should carb up at 300-400 grams per day for a solid week and you should get thyroid function back.

Agreed, it has to be left alone so it can start working back to normal. Im even told not to take supplements like hydroxycuts that could slow the process as well. The same gos with gear as well, if you want your hpta to get back to normal you have to let your pituary gland do the work and it must be left alone so no hgc as well or anything else. These are words from my endocrine. Our body starts getting back to normal if it needs to, if you take ephendrine it could fool the body that everything is ok, but it aint.

Leave it well alone and everything will be ok

And T4 and T3 can both be used long term

 

[GoneForever]

SO you guys think 4months at 125mcg T4 shouldnt be an issue and I shouldnt get a big fat rebound when coming off. Ive used T3 before for 6weeks ramping up to 150mcg and then ramping down. Did this a few times with no problems, so hopefully since T4 is less supressive I can run it the whole 4months.

 

[aesop]

Agreed, it has to be left alone so it can start working back to normal. Im even told not to take supplements like hydroxycuts that could slow the process as well. The same gos with gear as well, if you want your hpta to get back to normal you have to let your pituary gland do the work and it must be left alone so no hgc as well or anything else. These are words from my endocrine. Our body starts getting back to normal if it needs to, if you take ephendrine it could fool the body that everything is ok, but it aint.

Leave it well alone and everything will be ok

And T4 and T3 can both be used long term

T3 will shut down tsh moreso than t4, talk to any endocrinologist.

Yes hydroxycut is a thermogenic and should not be used while trying to get tsh back, becuase there are heat receptors in the hypothalamus, if body temp gets too high for an extended period the hypothalamus will signal the pituitary and production of tsh will decrease in an attempt to lower body temp. Thyroid is the major regulating hormone of BMR.

HCG should be used to get testical size up at the end of a cycle or throughout, but should not be used for pct. Clomid and nolva should be used though because they trick your hypothalamus into thinking there are high levels of circulating estrogen, so then the hypothalamus will tell the pituitary to release more fsh and lh to get the boys rolling on their own. Then you could switch to aroma at 12.5 mgs per day to maintain hpta and increase free test, for 4 weeks or so.

 

[mr.e01]

question to t3 users..

about how much t3 would you run if you were to take it long term (ie. 4-6 months ) ? Also do you think t3 is the best fat burner or should i consider eca or clen instead if I were trying to stay at a low bf year round? which would be safest? or do you think cycling of each would be a good idea? great topic

 

[The Wolf]

You can slowly go up to 150mcg a day and keep it going for a while and slowly come back down. T3 is the best fat burner but it needs patience, most people go on for a few weeks and jack shit happens.

 

[GoneForever]

What would you all do in my case. Only wanna use the T4 to get the most out of the GH for the next 4months while bulking

a.) Take 125mcg ed for 4months

b.) play it safe and take 125mcgs for 6weeks, then take a month off with lots of gugglesterones and then go back on for the last 6weeks followed by more guggle.

 

[The Wolf]

I would take it all the way through, theres no point stopping and starting, thats not even the safe way. Take it all the way through with growth.

 

[GoneForever]

I would take it all the way through, theres no point stopping and starting, thats not even the safe way. Take it all the way through with growth.

K, looks like thats what im gonna do. I'll start at 100 for few days then stay at 125 the whole time, then taper down a little. Maybe 100 for 5days, then 75 for a few, then 50 for a few.

 

[aesop]

K, looks like thats what im gonna do. I'll start at 100 for few days then stay at 125 the whole time, then taper down a little. Maybe 100 for 5days, then 75 for a few, then 50 for a few.

You really shouldn't need to start it until you have been using the hgh for a month or so. Get a baseline for your average waking body temp and monitor bi weekly. If it is a degree or less lower than baseline take it again the next day if you get the same, start the T4. For those who are taking Gh thyroid, for weight loss, take t3. Gh prevents liver uptake of glucose in order to keep blood glucose high, if you are dieting and using hgh, your liver will be carb depleted which will effect your ability to convert t4 to t3. This is not usually an issue with those in a positive caloric balance, because the liver eventually gets replenished or is not ever really depleted.

 

[The Wolf]

K, looks like thats what im gonna do. I'll start at 100 for few days then stay at 125 the whole time, then taper down a little. Maybe 100 for 5days, then 75 for a few, then 50 for a few.

My bad, I gave you the t3 dosages, with t4 you can go even higher but its your call

 

[GoneForever]

My bad, I gave you the t3 dosages, with t4 you can go even higher but its your call

Thanks. This is a bulker, so no need for high doses. I know that 100mcg is around what the body produces natually, so im just gonna stay at 125mcg. Main reason is b/c of all the good things i've read about how T4 makes GH so much more effective.