So you can’t donate blood, now what!

[JOKER]

So what if you can’t donate blood? This happens a lot because of medical reasons, high BP or high hemoglobin. Whatever the reason, you have options:

1. If you know a nurse, you can always buy a home blood donation kit. I have known many guys to do this on their own, which never would nor recommend. But if you have a friend that’s a nurse, it can easily be done at home every 60 days.

2. Ask your MD for a medica phlebotomy every 60 days. They will just toss the bloods when done.

3. Of you have high BP, consult with an MD always. But there a lot of supplements you can use to being this down. Of course if you are on AS that increase, going off would help. But taking 1-2 Carditone and 5-10mg cialis a day typically dose the trick. Adding cod liver oil and vitamin e is icing on the cake.

4. If you have high hemoglobin or because of past history there is no way you will ever be able to donate, then here is what I recommend....
1T daily cod liver oil
1 cap Unique E
1 Apolactoferin
1 Curcimin
2 IP-6 (Inositol-6-Phosphate)

The last 3 are “iron chelators.” Since hemoglobin carries around 70-80% of the iron in the blood, “chelating” it will naturally brings hemoglobin down.

References:
Weglarz, L., et al. (2008). “Effect of Inositol Hexaphosphate on Lipopolysaccharide-Stimulated Release of TNF-α from Human Mononuclear Cells”
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0b26/00833995ff38def1db097d0332ff5d58302f.pdf

“It is thought that anti-carcinogenic benefits of IP6 may in part be attributable to its antioxidant capability through its iron chelating properties.”

Human mononuclear cell
Sandberg, A., et al. (1999). “Inositol phosphates with different numbers of phosphate groups influence iron absorption in humans”
ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/2/240.full.pdf

“Inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) is a well-known inhibitor of iron absorption…”

Anekonda, T.S., et al. (2011). “Phytic acid as a potential treatment for Alzheimer’s pathology: evidence from animal and in vitro models”
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3021000/pdf/nihms234956.pdf

 

[Bobik]

4. If you have high hemoglobin or because of past history there is no way you will ever be able to donate, then here is what I recommend....
1T daily cod liver oil
1 cap Unique E
1 Apolactoferin
1 Curcimin
2 IP-6 (Inositol-6-Phosphate)

The last 3 are “iron chelators.” Since hemoglobin carries around 70-80% of the iron in the blood, “chelating” it will naturally brings hemoglobin down.

References:
Weglarz, L., et al. (2008). “Effect of Inositol Hexaphosphate on Lipopolysaccharide-Stimulated Release of TNF-α from Human Mononuclear Cells”
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0b26/00833995ff38def1db097d0332ff5d58302f.pdf

“It is thought that anti-carcinogenic benefits of IP6 may in part be attributable to its antioxidant capability through its iron chelating properties.”

Human mononuclear cell
Sandberg, A., et al. (1999). “Inositol phosphates with different numbers of phosphate groups influence iron absorption in humans”
ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/2/240.full.pdf

“Inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) is a well-known inhibitor of iron absorption…”

Anekonda, T.S., et al. (2011). “Phytic acid as a potential treatment for Alzheimer’s pathology: evidence from animal and in vitro models”
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3021000/pdf/nihms234956.pdf

I reduced iron with IP6 (blood showed a very low level), but my Hematocrit and hemoglobin kept increasing ... Unfortunately, IP6 doesn't solve anything.

 

[JOKER]

I reduced iron with IP6 (blood showed a very low level), but my Hematocrit and hemoglobin kept increasing ... Unfortunately, IP6 doesn't solve anything.

Interesting. Worked like a charm for me

 

[pickapeck]

Donating every 8 weeks made my RBCs go up and up. I take 3-4 weeks off with hCG every so often to keep it down. Just TRT seems to keep it close to the top of normal but that is only 100 mg/w. Just a warning, it tends to get worse and worse as you age.

 

[Blazed_Noob]

I just donated blood , they said my hemoglobin was 18. She said I would probably feel better after donating.
I have not donated in over 15 years.
I actually did feel a little better a couple days afterwards.
My question is, is 18 a bad number ? Should I try to lower it? , I remember the nurse saying below 20 is normal.
Im surprised it was under 20 considering all the years of abuse and the drugs I have put into my body.
Also would a high hemoglobin affect blood pressure?

 

[akajavman]

At 18 and above the viscosity of your blood is like molasses. Which could make you prone to strokes and such. So donating frequently helps bring it down so your blood is pumping easier throughout your body. The problem is if your on gear it raises your RBC and unfortunately lifting and exercising also contribute to this. Body is demanding more oxygen so we produce more RBC.

 

[shockmaster9000]

Go to the feed store. Buy the 16g needles. Some water bottles are 1 pint exactly. Drill two holes in the lid, one for the hose and one for a breather. Tie an arm off to pump up the veins and go to work. The needle work does take practice and is not pleasant. Oh, take some asprins that morning to help with viscosity.

This is what I did after 3 blood bus attempts. It was always some damn thing... They couldnt get their cpu up and running.. or they were all booked up, etc etc. Finally I threw my arms up and said "Ill do it live!!" As grizzly as it sounds Im glad I made that decision.

 

[Pissbrainiac259]

I just donated blood , they said my hemoglobin was 18. She said I would probably feel better after donating.
I have not donated in over 15 years.
I actually did feel a little better a couple days afterwards.
My question is, is 18 a bad number ? Should I try to lower it? , I remember the nurse saying below 20 is normal.
Im surprised it was under 20 considering all the years of abuse and the drugs I have put into my body.
Also would a high hemoglobin affect blood pressure?

A "normal range" Hgb for the average adult male is approximately 13.0 - 17.0 g/dL. This usually varies between labs by a few tenths of ONE point (e.g. 13.2 - 17.1 g/dL). A simple method to closely estimate your HCT level is to multiply your Hgb level x 3. So if your Hgb is 18 g/dL, your HCT level is approximately 54. This trick works quite well in real world situations.

While there are many factors to consider when addressing a person's H/H levels, one simple and easily overlooked component is the body's plasma osmolality (POsm) which is basically a measure of water and electrolyte (solute) balance. According to Guyton's Textbook of Medical Physiology, the average adult has a measured POsm of ~288 mOsm/kg. You'd be surprised how much information can be ascertained from someone's plasma osmolality value. If you're wondering, POsm can be ordered on a routine blood test but not many clinicians do so. Why? No clue. Fortunately, clinicians almost always order at minimum a BMP (Chem-7) blood test and using some of those measured values, you can actually closely estimate someone's POsm using an easy to remember equation. Work smarter, I say.

 

[Zillagreybeard]

Donate as often as I can. I look at it like change the oil in my car.

 

[TheOx]

While on the topic, have any of you donated plasma while on cycle? what are the ins and outs?

 

[pickapeck]

While on the topic, have any of you donated plasma while on cycle? what are the ins and outs?

Bad idea. You might make your blood even thicker at least until your body replaces the lost fluid but still you would have the same RBCs as before your donation.

 

[magicelevator]

Carditone works great for bringing BP down.

 

[Max55]

I'm on losartan, 100mg/day with no side effects. 50mg wasn't enough for my BP but it's normal now with 100mg. 50mg should be enough for hematocrit. My hematorcrit was 57 so I donated blood and that brought it down to 51. Let's just say donating wasn't a pleasant experience so I wanted to avoid doing it again. I learned about Losartan to lower hematocrit from watching a video with Dr. George Touliatos so I had my doctor change my BP med from lisinopril to losartan. So just using losartan and no blood donations my next blood draw my hematocrit was 48.8 down from 51.

 

[BIGMURPH]

So what if you can’t donate blood? This happens a lot because of medical reasons, high BP or high hemoglobin. Whatever the reason, you have options:

1. If you know a nurse, you can always buy a home blood donation kit. I have known many guys to do this on their own, which never would nor recommend. But if you have a friend that’s a nurse, it can easily be done at home every 60 days.

2. Ask your MD for a medica phlebotomy every 60 days. They will just toss the bloods when done.

3. Of you have high BP, consult with an MD always. But there a lot of supplements you can use to being this down. Of course if you are on AS that increase, going off would help. But taking 1-2 Carditone and 5-10mg cialis a day typically dose the trick. Adding cod liver oil and vitamin e is icing on the cake.

4. If you have high hemoglobin or because of past history there is no way you will ever be able to donate, then here is what I recommend....
1T daily cod liver oil
1 cap Unique E
1 Apolactoferin
1 Curcimin
2 IP-6 (Inositol-6-Phosphate)

The last 3 are “iron chelators.” Since hemoglobin carries around 70-80% of the iron in the blood, “chelating” it will naturally brings hemoglobin down.

References:
Weglarz, L., et al. (2008). “Effect of Inositol Hexaphosphate on Lipopolysaccharide-Stimulated Release of TNF-α from Human Mononuclear Cells”
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0b26/00833995ff38def1db097d0332ff5d58302f.pdf

“It is thought that anti-carcinogenic benefits of IP6 may in part be attributable to its antioxidant capability through its iron chelating properties.”

Human mononuclear cell
Sandberg, A., et al. (1999). “Inositol phosphates with different numbers of phosphate groups influence iron absorption in humans”
ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/2/240.full.pdf

“Inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) is a well-known inhibitor of iron absorption…”

Anekonda, T.S., et al. (2011). “Phytic acid as a potential treatment for Alzheimer’s pathology: evidence from animal and in vitro models”
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3021000/pdf/nihms234956.pdf

Good write up brother I was banned from giving blood and was stuck for awhile now I donate at the docs office. Much easier

 

[lynxeffect1]

I'm on losartan, 100mg/day with no side effects. 50mg wasn't enough for my BP but it's normal now with 100mg. 50mg should be enough for hematocrit. My hematorcrit was 57 so I donated blood and that brought it down to 51. Let's just say donating wasn't a pleasant experience so I wanted to avoid doing it again. I learned about Losartan to lower hematocrit from watching a video with Dr. George Touliatos so I had my doctor change my BP med from lisinopril to losartan. So just using losartan and no blood donations my next blood draw my hematocrit was 48.8 down from 51.

Have you a link to that video with dr.toyliatos ?

 

[Primategainz]

There’s a real interesting function with overall blood cell integrity in the human body. And it’s something that seems to be overlooked, unrealized or flat out ignored.

And what I’m talking about is a necessary function blood has. The reason why it’s so damn interesting to me is because when you actually understand its physiological process it becomes obviously evident that there is no real need for donating blood. And no need for the things suggested to lower blood pressure and hemoglobin.

It’s a basic and necessary function for blood to maintain its overall biological integrity throughout the body overtime.

This process is a recycling process I guess you could say. Where about every 90 days all of the blood cells in circulation are renewed with brand new blood cells.

Meaning that the blood that’s circulating in your system now is not the same blood that was just only 90 days ago. And that’s a constant cycle repeated till death.

So in some weird way, naturally, the body gives itself its own blood transfusion. Repeatedly. Over time. Till death. It’s just another one of them things I find so gnarly about the human body.

 

[pickapeck]

You have not supported your statement "it becomes obviously evident that there is no real need for donating blood. And no need for the things suggested to lower blood pressure and hemoglobin."

 

[Primategainz]

You have not supported your statement "it becomes obviously evident that there is no real need for donating blood. And no need for the things suggested to lower blood pressure and hemoglobin."

I did. It’s basic physiology. You can open up any text book written describing the basic functions of physiology and go to the page/ section/ chapter covering blood and the cardiovascular system. It’s a basic known function to blood. Depending on the book it should be in the first or second paragraph.

Saying I haven’t supported my statement is like telling someone, they’ve not proved that the gasoline they filled their car up with is actually burning from combustion, or just evaporating away as they drive until they have to refuel again.

My original comment is an observation based on actual functions known in physiology. Will you find my observation in literature? Probably not. And that’s not because it’s not true. It’s because that’s how it’s taught. I can’t change that. Nor do I care to change that.

So if you’re asking for the actual function I’m talking about? any text book on physiology. It’s introductory, very basic.

If you’re asking for my observation? I just told you it. I’m telling you what I observed based of my basic understanding in physiology.

The real thing to ask is how is the blood even doing something like that and why isn’t this something taken more seriously?

Blood pressure medications although prescribed for treating high blood pressure, are actually causing high blood pressure, but in a dangerous way.

It’s reducing the amount of oxygen being carried by the blood away from
the heart. This slowly over time causes arterial walls to stiffen from not having the necessary amount of oxygen required for arterial wall expansion.

This basic function of expansion and compression is necessary for overall arterial integrity. The arteries are physiologically designed to carry blood with pressure.

That pressure is from an increase in oxygen being present in the blood that travels through it. That oxygen provides an initial burst of pressure to push the blood away from the heart and lungs throughout the rest of the body.

That pressure becomes lower the more it travels away from the heart. And when it reaches the veins to rush back up into the heart its pressure is practically zero as it has practically no oxygen being carried by it. Veins unlike arteries aren’t physiologically designed to expand and compress.

When you limit the oxygen volume in the blood you’re limiting the oxygen reaching necessary areas like the brain. This is very dangerous. As it leads to neuronal death.

This arterial stiffness over time leads to arterial fibrosis which leads to death eventually. You increase this when combined with a statin for lowering high cholesterol. And you also increase neuronal death significantly.

This is another observation based on my basic understanding of physiology and pharmacology. Are you going to find my observation cited anywhere? Probably not. But you will find what I’m observing in the text books explaining their basic functions individually. And this is because of how it’s taught. Not because it’s not true.

With my basic understanding in physiology and the pharmacology of those medications I brought up, and my observation on how they effect the human body and its physiology independently.

It seems like it could be because it’s a way to dumb down the general population and give that same general population an average life expectancy rate for overall general population control.

As these compounds directly cause neuronal cellular death and cellular death in various tissues throughout the body, ironically by treating a problem they’re actually accruing acutely over time.

This mass cellular error that’s being influenced is pushing the biological aging process in a deadly direction. And when you analyze this with the known statistical data publicly available online, by the establishments that are chosen by government.

It’s a bit bone chilling to say the least because you can clearly map out the trajectory of people with heart disease and neurodegenerative disease with when symptoms occur, when diagnosed, when prescribed, etc… and their all cause mortality rates in a near perfect linear progression with when these blood pressure and cholesterol lowering drugs were first introduced to the general population, and the general age prescribed.

That is my opinion based off my observation of my basic understanding of physiology and the pharmacology, pharmacodynamics, and pharmacokinetics of those class of drugs.

Will you find my opinion cited anywhere reputable? Absolutely not. Why? Because nobody is paying attention. Not because it is or isn’t true.

Bringing it altogether. My basic understanding in physiology, pharmacology, and my opinion, left with the question “who knows really?” This is my statement.

Can it be argued or debated? Absolutely.

Can it be disagreed with? Absolutely.

Can it be disproven? Absolutely not.

So to be clear my original comment was an observation of function. Not a statement. And this comment in response to yours is a statement. A statement built by an observation of known functions and an opinion bias to that observation of known functions. So there’s a difference. And that matters.

 

[pickapeck]

Most men here are on PEDs that increase blood volume, stiffen the smooth muscle in the vasculature and raise blood pressure. much of the damege seen in bodybuilding is tot he kideys and that is at least in major part to increased blood pressure. You state a series of pathological states that may occur with some medications over time. However, you ignore that this game results in high hematocrit and high blood pressure which is damaging to the kidneys and other organs over time, Left ventricle hypertrophy with structural and electrical remodeling etc. It might be interesting if you would chose one of the BP medications used by bodybuilders and lay out your case showing degenerative conditions linked to. That might help demonstrate your case to the readers here. It would be even more useful to discuss risk benefit ratio of such a medication and history of use. One to chose might best be an older one so we have decades of data to reflect upon. BTW I agree with you on statins. Lisinopril has been on the market for 35 years and does not have a pristine history. Maybe that would be a good one to discuss.