Some personal IGF experience..BBB

bigbaldbulldog · Apr 18, 2006

I have used IGF in the past few years about 2's a year with great results.. I have been off juice for almost a 9 months and just finished a 21 day run of IGF only..

days 1-5 40mcgs post training
days 6-10 60mcgs post
11-15 80mcgs post
16-21 100mcgs post

I found after 5 days the effects were dramatically reduced but when i up'ed it 20mcgs i was okay..

Now that i have been off the IGF for 4 weeks i can say that i look exactly the same way i did before i started the IGF and in my opinion once you stop the IGF you go back to where you started... anyone else have teh same experience..

Keep in mind i have done no juice for 9 months and did a IGF ONLY cycle..

edge250 · Apr 18, 2006

bbb, are you just loosing the pumps or are you loosing the strength increases also???

i was wondering if say short cycles of aas like 6 weeks front load with long esters the 1st 2 weeks then 4 weeks of fast acting. then at the end of 6 weeks take 1 week off then run igf for 4 weeks then 1 week off then start the aas again for 6 weeks. this way you only run aas 6 weeks on/ 6 weeks off but your not loosing any gains and possibly staying much healthier as far as cholestrol, liver enzymes, and blood pressure. my theory is you would never be taking 1 step back to take 2 steps forward just continue to make gains, maintain them then start another growth phase. just an idea, it could even be set up like 2 bulking phases followed by 1 cutting phase. what do you guys think, again this is just an idea/theory. i love igf but i fear the intestinal growth since a majority of the igf receptors are there. if any of you have seen the recent pictures of the masters ifbb comp in ny claude groulx stomach was outta control, 2-3 years ago it was near what it is now; insulin?, igf, gh?, combo of them all??

lucian · Apr 18, 2006

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i just started again. not much yet as its only been 2 days. but i held my condition,viens and size despite beeing off aas most of the year and im starting from a new level now. you may not loose much more just the pumped feeling but i bet its gonn be harder for you put on fat now that you used igf. this is the leanest ive ever been 12 weeks out from a show, and i just started my stack, im so excited to see what happens in the next few weeks.
bbb good luck
edge that souds like a great idea, keep us posted on how it works.
lucian

bigbaldbulldog · Apr 19, 2006

i am surprised not to get feedback from ore then 3 guys... the thing is i want to hear about guys who have been clean for atleast 6 months and did IGF alone and are still clean..

rAJJIN · Apr 19, 2006

I guess what confuses me more then anything BBB is
How you can order or get ahold of that stuff? Besides afford to use it? I read posts by you that say you have been using all of this hgh,mgh,Igf etc etc... Its aggrivating me a bit to read these threads when
I thought you had been being watched and mail Traced etc for the last 6 months...14k on a lawyer.... Visted by postal inspectors..etc etc.
Just confused on it all a bit I reckon.

If I had all that heat on me I sure wouldnt be Ordeing Igf,Hgh and Mgh and All of this other exotic and expensive stuff.
Hell youve had me so paranoid from some of your posts and claims
that Im afraid to order just a little ole bottle of testosterone.

rAJJIN · Apr 19, 2006

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15209
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15227
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16169
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16239
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15556

bigbaldbulldog · Apr 19, 2006

rAJJIN said:
I guess what confuses me more then anything BBB is
How you can order or get ahold of that stuff? Besides afford to use it? I read posts by you that say you have been using all of this hgh,mgh,Igf etc etc... Its aggrivating me a bit to read these threads when
I thought you had been being watched and mail Traced etc for the last 6 months...14k on a lawyer.... Visted by postal inspectors..etc etc.
Just confused on it all a bit I reckon.

If I had all that heat on me I sure wouldnt be Ordeing Igf,Hgh and Mgh and All of this other exotic and expensive stuff.
Hell youve had me so paranoid from some of your posts and claims
that Im afraid to order just a little ole bottle of testosterone.

LOL i hear that buddy.. heat sucks for sure. i can explain no problem.. I have had the IGF for almost a year ... as well as the HGH... I know the owner of MGF supplier company and he sent it to me through a friend free of charge to try

bigbaldbulldog · Apr 19, 2006

This would be a good time to pull your last post Rajjin.. your out of line.. i had stuff left over from last year that i never used... at 4 ius a week of HGH it last forever...and at 50mcgs of IGF for 20 days 3 times a year that stuff last a while as well..

You and i never had issues so lets not dig this up.. MIKES was sent all the paper work showing everything that happened to me. i can always send you a copy if there is still doubts...

PHIL HERNON · Apr 19, 2006

NOT SURE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE BUT...

bigbaldbulldog said:
This would be a good time to pull your last post Rajjin.. your out of line.. i had stuff left over from last year that i never used... at 4 ius a week of HGH it last forever...and at 50mcgs of IGF for 20 days 3 times a year that stuff last a while as well..

You and i never had issues so lets not dig this up.. MIKES was sent all the paper work showing everything that happened to me. i can always send you a copy if there is still doubts...

BBB, ANOTHER THREAD YOU STATE THAT YOU TAKE 100MCG OF IGF?? WHAT AMOUNT ARE YOU USING???? I AM CONFUSED NOW.

MikeS · Apr 20, 2006

BBB-to be honest, I posted that paper you gave me in the mod section, and the general concensus was that it was bogus. Ive never mentioned it, but since the subject came up here...AND I absolutely did not suggest that it was bogus in the post-everyone came to that conclusion on their own.

And Raj isnt the only one wondering how you can do all this exotic gear when your client got screwed for $3k. Ive seen several guys post wondering the same thing-one a mod who NEVER says anything bad about anyone. They deleted the posts so not to stir up things, but as mod I can read deleted posts, so thats how I know and other members like yourself, probably didnt actually see the posts.

And also, there is actually a great source that shut down because of the paranoia your incident caused, which also includes several old posts about all the heat in the BBing underground-posted even before your deal with LEX. And now you have all this leftover gear...a few months ago you were so paraniod and ready to get completely out of the scene-and your saying you actually kept gear through all that time? It would seem that youd toss everything from the way you were talking like doomsday was coming. Actually, you keeping gear through this run of paranoia would be total hypocracy.

Im not actually accussing you of anything-just the facts. Just some of these things dont add up.

bigbaldbulldog · Apr 20, 2006

PHIL HERNON said:
BBB, ANOTHER THREAD YOU STATE THAT YOU TAKE 100MCG OF IGF?? WHAT AMOUNT ARE YOU USING???? I AM CONFUSED NOW.

I am pretty sure i said i did
40mcgs 5 days
60mcgs 5 days
80mcgs 5 days
100mcgs 5 days

i have used 50mcgs the other 2 times a got word from a buddy who swore that you had to use low and up it every 5 days to keep the effect going or your receptors down grade and shut down...

If you buy 1000 mcgs and your set for a cycle.. you get a great deal if you buy 5 kits and you have a 2 year supply.. kinda like the fact that 108 iu kit will last you 6 months so 4 kits will get a alomost 3 years....

I hope i helped your confusing moment

rAJJIN · Apr 20, 2006

bigbaldbulldog said:
This would be a good time to pull your last post Rajjin.. your out of line.. i had stuff left over from last year that i never used... at 4 ius a week of HGH it last forever...and at 50mcgs of IGF for 20 days 3 times a year that stuff last a while as well..

You and i never had issues so lets not dig this up.. MIKES was sent all the paper work showing everything that happened to me. i can always send you a copy if there is still doubts...

Why would this be a good time to pull my last post? Its Only stuff written by yourself. What did I say that was out of line?

What exactly was "all the paperwork"?
That is assuming its ok for you to talk about it here now?

No need to Drag MikeS,Phil Hernon or ANYONE else into it.
Just a few simple questions and concerns from One long time member here to another.

PHIL HERNON · Apr 20, 2006

YES

bigbaldbulldog said:
I am pretty sure i said i did
40mcgs 5 days
60mcgs 5 days
80mcgs 5 days
100mcgs 5 days

i have used 50mcgs the other 2 times a got word from a buddy who swore that you had to use low and up it every 5 days to keep the effect going or your receptors down grade and shut down...

If you buy 1000 mcgs and your set for a cycle.. you get a great deal if you buy 5 kits and you have a 2 year supply.. kinda like the fact that 108 iu kit will last you 6 months so 4 kits will get a alomost 3 years....

I hope i helped your confusing moment

AND THAT AMOUNT IS 1 AND 1/2 BOTTLES. WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE OTHER 1/2 BOTTLE??? WHAT IS 5 KITS, 5000 MCG? THAT WILL LAST 2 YEARS HOW?? WHAT IS 108 iu KIT LAST 6 MONTHS?? 4 KITS 3 YEARS? WHAT IN THE TARNATIONS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???

LEX · Apr 20, 2006

bigbaldbulldog said:
This would be a good time to pull your last post Rajjin.. your out of line.. i had stuff left over from last year that i never used... at 4 ius a week of HGH it last forever...and at 50mcgs of IGF for 20 days 3 times a year that stuff last a while as well..

You and i never had issues so lets not dig this up.. MIKES was sent all the paper work showing everything that happened to me. i can always send you a copy if there is still doubts...

so you had kits of gh laying around is that what you are sying?

Steak Helmet · Apr 20, 2006

I have a buddy that ran 60mcgs on his second time through and started to get itchy tender nipps around the 15th day...

he has been on test for 4 months and has been trading on and off...he knows what doses bring on his sides and has never pushed it to that or past that limit. Also, he knows what products cause gyno and avoids them like the plauge...

now my question is can IGF bring on gyno????

KillerStack · Apr 20, 2006

Steak Helmet said:
now my question is can IGF bring on gyno????

Well, this paper says:

Parallel to female breast development, estrogen, along with GH and IGF-1 is required for breast growth in males.

**broken link removed**

... to me it looks like higher GH or IGF-1 could trigger gyno symptoms. GH studies have reported gyno as a side effect as well.

TooPowerful4u · Apr 20, 2006

lol ohhhh brother

Steak Helmet · Apr 20, 2006

thanks for the info....

I remember he was doing 5ius of GH ED 5 on 2 off and started to get gyno around week 4...

now he is doing 2ius EOD and has no symptoms

do you think there is a correlation between TREN and DECA and IGF and GH...meaning he starts getting gyno from TREN and DECA...so is IGF and GH a progesterone dominate product??

big4nuthin · Apr 20, 2006

Wow! How much have I missed?

Hey everyone! I have been busy doing other things as of late, but always find the time to check in every couple weeks. This is the first thread I opened because a body of mine needs some advice on IGF and I am realizing i missed quite alot. I hope everyone who seems to be affected by BBB's debacle is ok and I look forward to catching up. As for my .02 on IGF, it seems to be such a hit or miss compund. For what it costs, i think you can achieve the same results with far less expensive things. I ran it once at 40mcg PWO during an anadrol 50 only cycle (was a personal experiment using a50 byitself) and other than the pumps (form a50 or igf?) i did not notice much in the way of results.