Starting Neubie therapy today… a couple of questions, and looking for any input from members that have utilized this type of therapy.

[Aikman56]

The topic is exactly what you see in the title… Today is my first appointment with a therapist that has a Neubie. I’ve been looking for someone local for a couple of years. Until recently, the closest practitioner to me was in Asheville, North Carolina. We finally have a PT in Charlotte that has one, so I’m going to explore this.

My priorities are my left quad, left lat, and (if the therapist thinks there’s any hope) my calves.

My question to anyone who has partaken in this type of treatment would be around training… If I’m having the therapist work on my left quad, should it be on a day when I have legs later in the afternoon, or a different day, or does it even matter? Similar for other bodyparts?

Additionally, what type of results did you see, and over what period of time? It’s not like any of the muscles are dead, with no sensation or ability to contract… They are working, just not optimally. And there is some significant atrophy. I guess I just kind of want to know what to expect and what realistic expectations for recovery might be.

Thanks in advance, for anyone that can provide some insight here!

 

[Aikman56]

Following up from when I started this thread… Still looking for any input or advice from folks who have done Neubie therapy in the past and how they feel like they got optimal results. The PT that I am visiting has only been using it for a few months, and never for someone at my level of development. Mostly lifestyle and a couple of high school/college athletes.

Anyway, I didn’t want to share the experience of my evaluation/mapping and first therapy session.

After the typical physical therapist interview of exercise/injury history, current exercise routine, nutrition, supplementation, medication, etc., we did what he called “mapping“. Basically they take one of the electrodes and place it on a muscle and turn it up to what would be a perceived 7 out of 10 intensity. Then he slides it around to different spots on the muscle in question ( we started with my vastus lateralis) and monitors where the pain/intensity of sensation is the most intense. Once he found my “hot zones”, he placed three anchor pads and we got started.

Now, I didn’t know what to expect. I thought that it would be running the machine while I did regular sets and reps. Since he’s not in a gym, and in more of a typical PT studio, there were no leg presses or squats or anything like that. He said the way that the sales person trained them in the class trained them to use the Neubie was to do 10 minutes (for the first session) of continuous exercise.

So he put the electrodes on, turned it up to about a 6 and then had me start doing bodyweight squats. I did those very slow &controlled, with a full range of motion until I had a pretty good sweat going. Bodyweight squats aren’t that challenging, but after you reach about 180 seconds of nonstop movement, they get to be a little taxing!

At that point, I couldn’t really tell any difference in the sensation in the targeted muscle, but we still had 7 minutes to go. He had me switch to lateral movements from a squat position and then lunges, and then I modified RDL where I allowed a good amount of movement in the knee, then to extensions with no weight, then back to bodyweight squats.

I rotated between these movements and nonstop for 10 minutes and then he turned the device off. Now, by the time I was finished, I could feel a little more activation than I normally feel in the lateralis, but nothing overwhelming.
He told me that I should feel some fatigue as the day goes on and soreness either the following morning or 36 hours post.

While I never got really sore (I can’t remember the last time I got sore from ANYTHING … I don’t know if that’s a function of my nutrition/drug/recovery protocol being really good or maybe I’m just a great big pussy that doesn’t train hard enough!), I did notice significantly more tightness than normal in that outer portion of my quadriceps, both while walking up the stairs last night for bed and then when I got up this morning. Just squatting and moving through a four range of motion, there was definitely more tightness in that specific muscle than anywhere else, and more than I would normally feel post-workout.

So, that was my experience with my first session. I scheduled another for next week. They have a package deal of 10 sessions for $500, $50 a session (which seems pretty reasonable. Unfortunately, insurance does not cover this type of therapy since it’s so new and there’s no real coding for it. I’m thinking that I’m going to drop the five bills and go once or twice a week for the next 5 to 8 weeks and see what kind of results that brings.

I welcome any discussion or suggestions on this topic, either based off of your own experience or videos you have seen/litter to your you have read. And especially if you’re someone that has had Neubie therapy, please chime in!

 

[pesty4077]

Not sure what I had, but the PT told me he used laser on my lower back. Whatever he used, it was fantastic and healed fast. Kind of hard with these Romanian doctors to understand what they mean. One PT did use current for my shoulders and they been good since.

 

[dimethyl11]

works great, I've also used the ARP and Phoenix. Same tech, 500hz square wave DC current

 

[Aikman56]

works great, I've also used the ARP and Phoenix. Same tech, 500hz square wave DC current

Was your Neubie protocol similar to what I described, or did you do something more along the lines of a conventional workout?

 

[Aikman56]

@need4tren if I’m not mistaken, I seem to recall you having some experience either using it on yourself or training someone with the device…

@bbxtreme , your thoughts?

 

[bbxtreme]

Following up from when I started this thread… Still looking for any input or advice from folks who have done Neubie therapy in the past and how they feel like they got optimal results. The PT that I am visiting has only been using it for a few months, and never for someone at my level of development. Mostly lifestyle and a couple of high school/college athletes.

Anyway, I didn’t want to share the experience of my evaluation/mapping and first therapy session.

After the typical physical therapist interview of exercise/injury history, current exercise routine, nutrition, supplementation, medication, etc., we did what he called “mapping“. Basically they take one of the electrodes and place it on a muscle and turn it up to what would be a perceived 7 out of 10 intensity. Then he slides it around to different spots on the muscle in question ( we started with my vastus lateralis) and monitors where the pain/intensity of sensation is the most intense. Once he found my “hot zones”, he placed three anchor pads and we got started.

Now, I didn’t know what to expect. I thought that it would be running the machine while I did regular sets and reps. Since he’s not in a gym, and in more of a typical PT studio, there were no leg presses or squats or anything like that. He said the way that the sales person trained them in the class trained them to use the Neubie was to do 10 minutes (for the first session) of continuous exercise.

So he put the electrodes on, turned it up to about a 6 and then had me start doing bodyweight squats. I did those very slow &controlled, with a full range of motion until I had a pretty good sweat going. Bodyweight squats aren’t that challenging, but after you reach about 180 seconds of nonstop movement, they get to be a little taxing!

At that point, I couldn’t really tell any difference in the sensation in the targeted muscle, but we still had 7 minutes to go. He had me switch to lateral movements from a squat position and then lunges, and then I modified RDL where I allowed a good amount of movement in the knee, then to extensions with no weight, then back to bodyweight squats.

I rotated between these movements and nonstop for 10 minutes and then he turned the device off. Now, by the time I was finished, I could feel a little more activation than I normally feel in the lateralis, but nothing overwhelming.
He told me that I should feel some fatigue as the day goes on and soreness either the following morning or 36 hours post.

While I never got really sore (I can’t remember the last time I got sore from ANYTHING … I don’t know if that’s a function of my nutrition/drug/recovery protocol being really good or maybe I’m just a great big pussy that doesn’t train hard enough!), I did notice significantly more tightness than normal in that outer portion of my quadriceps, both while walking up the stairs last night for bed and then when I got up this morning. Just squatting and moving through a four range of motion, there was definitely more tightness in that specific muscle than anywhere else, and more than I would normally feel post-workout.

So, that was my experience with my first session. I scheduled another for next week. They have a package deal of 10 sessions for $500, $50 a session (which seems pretty reasonable. Unfortunately, insurance does not cover this type of therapy since it’s so new and there’s no real coding for it. I’m thinking that I’m going to drop the five bills and go once or twice a week for the next 5 to 8 weeks and see what kind of results that brings.

I welcome any discussion or suggestions on this topic, either based off of your own experience or videos you have seen/litter to your you have read. And especially if you’re someone that has had Neubie therapy, please chime in!

That’s actually pretty good pricing for a session with it. What I did during my sessions was basically start from scratch on form on retraining the muscle.

It was my left shoulder so we put it on multiple points of the shoulder and we worked through very light, strict form movements of deep seated rows, side lat raises, over head presses etc.

All we wanted was the muscle and form to be fully correct so we started with baby weight and worked up over the course of 10 weeks.

We started with activation work, then did the Neubi and finished with PT movements that I would then do at home three times per week.

It’s a process for sure. I didn’t expect to feel any intense soreness and didn’t, but since then I train very differently as I can engage and load the muscle groups much better.

 

[Aikman56]

That’s actually pretty good pricing for a session with it. What I did during my sessions was basically start from scratch on form on retraining the muscle.

It was my left shoulder so we put it on multiple points of the shoulder and we worked through very light, strict form movements of deep seated rows, side lat raises, over head presses etc.

All we wanted was the muscle and form to be fully correct so we started with baby weight and worked up over the course of 10 weeks.

We started with activation work, then did the Neubi and finished with PT movements that I would then do at home three times per week.

It’s a process for sure. I didn’t expect to feel any intense soreness and didn’t, but since then I train very differently as I can engage and load the muscle groups much better.

So one of the questions I have is around how to integrate that into my regular training. Right now, i’m going to be going in there on Mondays or Wednesdays. I train legs on Wednesdays and Saturdays. I’m sure I’ll be recovered enough from the Monday session to train on Wednesday, but if I have a session on Wednesday morning, should I blow off the regular workout that evening? Do you have any opinions on this?

 

[bbxtreme]

So one of the questions I have is around how to integrate that into my regular training. Right now, i’m going to be going in there on Mondays or Wednesdays. I train legs on Wednesdays and Saturdays. I’m sure I’ll be recovered enough from the Monday session to train on Wednesday, but if I have a session on Wednesday morning, should I blow off the regular workout that evening? Do you have any opinions on this?

I personally would just do my workout Wednesday evening still based on my experience. If anything I was excited each week to get to the gym to implement the new, better movement and things the sessions were helping me achieve.

It’s DC current so in some regards will “exercise” the muscle to some degree during the session. Knowing that I’d aim to make Monday the day, but if it was a scheduling issue and had to be done on Wednesday I personally wouldn’t miss my workout.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

I own one....After my back surgery in 2018 where I had severe spinal stenosis, to the extent i was actually brought in for emergency surgery before my scheduled date. Post surgery for about a year my right leg was basically dead. I could not get a pump, zero activation. It was pretty heart breaking considering how responsive my legs were normally and how that was my best bodypart. Fast forward getting a machine, training with it on the right quad. At home therapies padding up from my lower spine all the way down my leg. Within I think 2 months? My leg started firing like nothing ever happened again.

Flex and I also used it for some workouts for hypertrophy when we were both training together to attempt to comeback and we both noticed a massive difference. Just have to be careful as when overdone the muscle breakdown can be extreme so the obvious can happen.

My brother had a similar injury to mine when he was 17. Speed up to 2020-2021, after he got home from Iraq and an incident occurred there that tore up his lower back pretty bad again. Numbness in leg, weakness etc. It got him firing again too quick!

 

[TheOtherOne55]

Seems like its supperrr dependent on who owns the neubie and/or where you are making apts out of.
I've used it twice. Both for my shoulder/lat. My scapula on my left side is basically frozen. 2 shoulder surgeries, almost no external ration of motion does it to ya. I basically cannot flair my lat much on the left side. Its alll tied to the shoulder and scap being stuck together.

Anyways, 1st use was at a PT place. Veryyy similar to how you @Aikman56 and @bbxtreme are talking about. Lat upper back setup, raising my shoulder above my head for a million reps then attempting to do that with the lat rotating out. Crazy pump. Good soreness the next day and i never get sore. Felt great. Second time was completely different as i did it with Brad Rowe in the gym at Gold's Venice. This wasn't a no weight, reconfigure the movement pattern thing. This was, "train your shoulder and lat and lets turn it up so we activate these dormant muscles." Not heavy weight, it was relatively light. But he turned this shit up and i was getting crazy activation. Personally, THIS is how ive seen guys make progress. I had a buddy who did a session a week for his lagging arms. He was a dude who couldnt really feel a good contraction and lo and behold, bigger arms the next day.

So again, the PT principle of it on retraining movement patterns and truly helping people activate whats not been activated is great. But then there's a BBing side of, "you've only ever had 60% mind muscle connection here...let's turn it up to 110%."

 

[Jblack]

I bought the Neubie a few months ago because it helped me be able to work through some terrible muscle patterning issues. I would do CARS, isometrics, and different mobility stuff which really helped me get back the last 15% I was missing in terms of walking pain free again.

For context I have a brittle bone disease and have spondy grade 1 slip, and the worst hips you might have seen w a shiny rod poking up in there from my femur. My limp is way less and my glutes actually do glute things.

I think that price is really reasonable and I believe the machine is really helpful.

 

[Aikman56]

Seems like its supperrr dependent on who owns the neubie and/or where you are making apts out of.
I've used it twice. Both for my shoulder/lat. My scapula on my left side is basically frozen. 2 shoulder surgeries, almost no external ration of motion does it to ya. I basically cannot flair my lat much on the left side. Its alll tied to the shoulder and scap being stuck together.

Anyways, 1st use was at a PT place. Veryyy similar to how you @Aikman56 and @bbxtreme are talking about. Lat upper back setup, raising my shoulder above my head for a million reps then attempting to do that with the lat rotating out. Crazy pump. Good soreness the next day and i never get sore. Felt great. Second time was completely different as i did it with Brad Rowe in the gym at Gold's Venice. This wasn't a no weight, reconfigure the movement pattern thing. This was, "train your shoulder and lat and lets turn it up so we activate these dormant muscles." Not heavy weight, it was relatively light. But he turned this shit up and i was getting crazy activation. Personally, THIS is how ive seen guys make progress. I had a buddy who did a session a week for his lagging arms. He was a dude who couldnt really feel a good contraction and lo and behold, bigger arms the next day.

So again, the PT principle of it on retraining movement patterns and truly helping people activate whats not been activated is great. But then there's a BBing side of, "you've only ever had 60% mind muscle connection here...let's turn it up to 110%."

This is all fantastic input… I appreciate you all! And the PT that I’m seeing is definitely the type of person that is going to take a collaborative approach with me.

I think he’s as interested to see how this will work for me as I am. I feel like if I go to him with different ideas that he is definitely going to be willing to implement them.

And like I said, he doesn’t have a full gym, but there’s definitely enough equipment there that we can put some tension to the muscle after a few sessions, focusing solely on activation and “retraining“.

 

[Aikman56]

I own one....After my back surgery in 2018 where I had severe spinal stenosis, to the extent i was actually brought in for emergency surgery before my scheduled date. Post surgery for about a year my right leg was basically dead. I could not get a pump, zero activation. It was pretty heart breaking considering how responsive my legs were normally and how that was my best bodypart. Fast forward getting a machine, training with it on the right quad. At home therapies padding up from my lower spine all the way down my leg. Within I think 2 months? My leg started firing like nothing ever happened again.

Flex and I also used it for some workouts for hypertrophy when we were both training together to attempt to comeback and we both noticed a massive difference. Just have to be careful as when overdone the muscle breakdown can be extreme so the obvious can happen.

My brother had a similar injury to mine when he was 17. Speed up to 2020-2021, after he got home from Iraq and an incident occurred there that tore up his lower back pretty bad again. Numbness in leg, weakness etc. It got him firing again too quick!

Thank you so much for your input. So I think my plan will be to do a few sessions of “reactivation“ and then go to him with some ideas gleaned from here to focus more on my hypertrophy. He’s definitely the type of person that is going to collaborate and take my input. Thank you again!

 

[Aikman56]

Hey, yes, update to my second session…

More of the same from the first time. Did the continual movement with quads for 10 minutes. Squats, lunges, lateral movement… This time, also did some calf work. That was a little bit different. We did sets of calf raises to failure. Ended up around five total sets after warming up.

Now, did I notice anything different this time?

Well, the first thing that I can tell you, I actually felt my calves for the first time in forever! In addition to that, they’ve been sore for days… Not just a little sore, but that deep soreness that you get when you just smash fibers that have not been touched in a really long time.

Regarding my quads, I definitely had some fatigue and a little bit of soreness after the session (that was on Wednesday), but my quad workout on Friday was amazing. I felt the quad (specifically the vastus lateralis, that’s what we are targeting) engaging & firing in a way that I haven’t felt years. On top of that, I definitely saw increased soreness after the workout, in that area.

So, two sessions in, I do think something is happening. I can’t say if this is a placebo effect or that machine really is “retraining” those muscles on how to contract, but it sure feels like SOMETHING new is happening.

Going for session #3 tomorrow afternoon, around 1 PM.

 

[alfresco]

Following up from when I started this thread… Still looking for any input or advice from folks who have done Neubie therapy in the past and how they feel like they got optimal results. The PT that I am visiting has only been using it for a few months, and never for someone at my level of development. Mostly lifestyle and a couple of high school/college athletes.

Anyway, I didn’t want to share the experience of my evaluation/mapping and first therapy session.

After the typical physical therapist interview of exercise/injury history, current exercise routine, nutrition, supplementation, medication, etc., we did what he called “mapping“. Basically they take one of the electrodes and place it on a muscle and turn it up to what would be a perceived 7 out of 10 intensity. Then he slides it around to different spots on the muscle in question ( we started with my vastus lateralis) and monitors where the pain/intensity of sensation is the most intense. Once he found my “hot zones”, he placed three anchor pads and we got started.

Now, I didn’t know what to expect. I thought that it would be running the machine while I did regular sets and reps. Since he’s not in a gym, and in more of a typical PT studio, there were no leg presses or squats or anything like that. He said the way that the sales person trained them in the class trained them to use the Neubie was to do 10 minutes (for the first session) of continuous exercise.

So he put the electrodes on, turned it up to about a 6 and then had me start doing bodyweight squats. I did those very slow &controlled, with a full range of motion until I had a pretty good sweat going. Bodyweight squats aren’t that challenging, but after you reach about 180 seconds of nonstop movement, they get to be a little taxing!

At that point, I couldn’t really tell any difference in the sensation in the targeted muscle, but we still had 7 minutes to go. He had me switch to lateral movements from a squat position and then lunges, and then I modified RDL where I allowed a good amount of movement in the knee, then to extensions with no weight, then back to bodyweight squats.

I rotated between these movements and nonstop for 10 minutes and then he turned the device off. Now, by the time I was finished, I could feel a little more activation than I normally feel in the lateralis, but nothing overwhelming.
He told me that I should feel some fatigue as the day goes on and soreness either the following morning or 36 hours post.

While I never got really sore (I can’t remember the last time I got sore from ANYTHING … I don’t know if that’s a function of my nutrition/drug/recovery protocol being really good or maybe I’m just a great big pussy that doesn’t train hard enough!), I did notice significantly more tightness than normal in that outer portion of my quadriceps, both while walking up the stairs last night for bed and then when I got up this morning. Just squatting and moving through a four range of motion, there was definitely more tightness in that specific muscle than anywhere else, and more than I would normally feel post-workout.

So, that was my experience with my first session. I scheduled another for next week. They have a package deal of 10 sessions for $500, $50 a session (which seems pretty reasonable. Unfortunately, insurance does not cover this type of therapy since it’s so new and there’s no real coding for it. I’m thinking that I’m going to drop the five bills and go once or twice a week for the next 5 to 8 weeks and see what kind of results that brings.

I welcome any discussion or suggestions on this topic, either based off of your own experience or videos you have seen/litter to your you have read. And especially if you’re someone that has had Neubie therapy, please chime in!

Don’t know if this is relevant, just sharing an experience, 45 years ago I saw a chiropractor for some low back issues and he used diathermy, along with adjustments, but the issue was muscular, and if memory serves, it was effective.

 

[Aikman56]

So I did session #3 Monday. We worked on my left lat, and man did I feel THINGS in there.

Trained back last night and felt my left lat in a way that I didn’t think possible. Secondary back day is tomorrow, so I’m looking forward to it, since my second leg workout was where I really felt the difference in my quad.

So far, this seems like the real thing!