Staying on cycle forever

[luki7788]

Mast is my favorite add on to Test. Haven't used EQ in over a decade and just started experimenting with Deca this past year. Thanks for the suggestion with Mast, I would slowly add each compound in separately to see how I respond and build from there. I'm thinking EQ first on top of the Test, then Deca at a lower dose first, then finish off with Mast as long as everything is going well. I'm like you, I like what Mast does for my mental state, but want to see what the EQ and Deca does first as far as mental sides go.

The other option to Mast I have on hand is Primo. I'll just have to play around with the combos and see what happens.

Primo will not be a good substitute for Mast in this case because it has a very low androgenic nature in practice, even though both are DHT derivatives.

 

[Ranchhand]

Primo will not be a good substitute for Mast in this case because it has a very low androgenic nature in practice, even though both are DHT derivatives.

Ok, thanks Luki, I appreciate that feedback. Didn't consider that. I only have one vial of Mast but a few of Primo. Wouldn't be a problem to get more Mast. Thanks brother

 

[madcap71]

Test/Deca/Equipoise stack was an old staple back in 80s/90s. A lot of people think it's weird today but people loved it.

I want to throw NPP in with my test/EQ cycle but my fertility markers are good right now, don't want to chance it with 19nors

 

[Mufasa123]

Ok, thanks Luki, I appreciate that feedback. Didn't consider that. I only have one vial of Mast but a few of Primo. Wouldn't be a problem to get more Mast. Thanks brother

To further drive home Luki's point about them not being substitutes/interchangeable, when I run test/primo cycles I end up feeling very "meh" with lower sex drive. I add a bit of mast and that fixes it (E2 is in or at higher end of range so not that). Usually it's 500 Test, 600 Primo, 200 Mast. Done it 3x and adding in that mast is always a game changer.

 

[Ranchhand]

To further drive home Luki's point about them not being substitutes/interchangeable, when I run test/primo cycles I end up feeling very "meh" with lower sex drive. I add a bit of mast and that fixes it (E2 is in or at higher end of range so not that). Usually it's 500 Test, 600 Primo, 200 Mast. Done it 3x and adding in that mast is always a game changer.

Cool, thanks for this feedback. I usually run my Test to whatever compound in a 2 to 1 or 3 to 1 ratio. This past year I experimented with Test and Primo and then Test and Deca separately. Primo was fine, but I might have had a little mood issues with the Deca. It was hard to say because I wasn't running that high of a dose of Deca and it could have been what was going on with my life at the time. But I ended up pulling the Deca and life leveled out.

Didn't notice an impact with libido, but I have that covered so nothing effects it. Mast and Test still gives me the best overall mental state when I'm running just the two.

 

[luki7788]

I want to throw NPP in with my test/EQ cycle but my fertility markers are good right now, don't want to chance it with 19nors

Bro, I don’t know where this thinking comes from. Honestly, I don’t know where people get this idea in general.

You are already on Test + EQ, so your natural HPTA (hypothalamus–pituitary–testes axis) and your own testosterone production have been shut down for a long time.
You can’t “shut it down more” by adding nandrolone, because it is already basically 100% off.
And about these “fertility markers” you mention… which ones? Because LH and FSH are almost for sure already at zero on Test + EQ. Nandrolone will not change that in any meaningful way, not better and not worse.

Just logic.

 

[madcap71]

Bro, I don’t know where this thinking comes from. Honestly, I don’t know where people get this idea in general.

You are already on Test + EQ, so your natural HPTA (hypothalamus–pituitary–testes axis) and your own testosterone production have been shut down for a long time.
You can’t “shut it down more” by adding nandrolone, because it is already basically 100% off.
And about these “fertility markers” you mention… which ones? Because LH and FSH are almost for sure already at zero on Test + EQ. Nandrolone will not change that in any meaningful way, not better and not worse.

Just logic.

Sperm motility, sperm count and sperm concentration. Maybe semen/sperm parameters would have been a better phrase.

I disregard LH and FSH because it's always going to be in the bin taking test.

 

[Swifto]

Sperm motility, sperm count and sperm concentration. Maybe semen/sperm parameters would have been a better phrase.

I disregard LH and FSH because it's always going to be in the bin taking test.

You're saying Nandrolone and 19-Nors work on spermatogenesis negatively, independently of cessation of endogenous hormones (low LH, FSH, ITT)?

I've done some searching and it's a very interesting point. If thats what you meant? Although, it looks like it's only been seen in vitro and animal models.

I know estrogen can have a direct effect on leading cell function, but not 19-Nors.

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[madcap71]

You're saying Nandrolone and 19-Nors work on spermatogenesis negatively, independently of cessation of endogenous hormones (low LH, FSH, ITT)?

I've done some searching and it's a very interesting point. If thats what you meant? Although, it looks like it's only been seen in vitro and animal models.

I know estrogen can have a direct effect on leading cell function, but not 19-Nors.

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Yeah I've seen animal studies on it (obviously it's unethical to do them on humans) and other searches I've done on the topic (forums, Google, AI platforms) all point to 19nors being the worst culprit for infertility, followed by testosterone. Not saying if I go and pin nandrolone now, that my sperm/semen parameters will drop to zero, but I don't want to chance it.

 

[Blazed_Noob]

I’d love to say I cycle on and off but throughout my life I usually just stay “on” but lower the doses and drop a compound or two. It all depends on my situation and how life is going. If I’m being honest if I have the money and the means I will stay on indefinitely as long as my health is relatively “ok”. I do everything the hard way and I want what I want. My blood work ( when I get it done ) is usually good or not bad enough to stop. We are all vain and do this lifestyle because we want to look a certain way. Atleast for me, I’m not speaking for everyone but a lot of us are this way. I cannot imagine myself being a fat out of shape person. I am hard on myself and never see what everyone else does and want more ,I want to always look better then I do.

I will run low doses indefinitely until it gets to a point that it will literally kill me. I’ve stopped all orals but I’m just being honest. When that time comes ( and it will ) it will be hard to deal with and I’m going to have to make a hard decision that I probably won’t want to make.

 

[dieselbuilder]

Yeah I've seen animal studies on it (obviously it's unethical to do them on humans) and other searches I've done on the topic (forums, Google, AI platforms) all point to 19nors being the worst culprit for infertility, followed by testosterone. Not saying if I go and pin nandrolone now, that my sperm/semen parameters will drop to zero, but I don't want to chance it.

Now I wont say that I was using deca as a form of contraceptive but I saw those studies too and I have been on 2 years… test/eq/mast and low dose deca.

I figured I was shooting blanks.

I told my wife let’s stick with our 2 kids and be done.. we have a 3.5 year old and 1.5 year old. That lasted a month as I now have a 3rd one coming. A boy. Due in June. I refer to him in my head as my “juice boy”. I was off when my other 2 were conceived.

 

[fisther69]

People still cycle? I though that was late 90’s bullshit.

It’s blast and cruise depending totally on shows and bloodwork

 

[Zamun]

I’d love to say I cycle on and off but throughout my life I usually just stay “on” but lower the doses and drop a compound or two. It all depends on my situation and how life is going. If I’m being honest if I have the money and the means I will stay on indefinitely as long as my health is relatively “ok”. I do everything the hard way and I want what I want. My blood work ( when I get it done ) is usually good or not bad enough to stop. We are all vain and do this lifestyle because we want to look a certain way. Atleast for me, I’m not speaking for everyone but a lot of us are this way. I cannot imagine myself being a fat out of shape person. I am hard on myself and never see what everyone else does and want more ,I want to always look better then I do.

I will run low doses indefinitely until it gets to a point that it will literally kill me. I’ve stopped all orals but I’m just being honest. When that time comes ( and it will ) it will be hard to deal with and I’m going to have to make a hard decision that I probably won’t want to make.

Low doses like what?

 

[PRorER]

Now I wont say that I was using deca as a form of contraceptive but I saw those studies too and I have been on 2 years… test/eq/mast and low dose deca.

I figured I was shooting blanks.

I told my wife let’s stick with our 2 kids and be done.. we have a 3.5 year old and 1.5 year old. That lasted a month as I now have a 3rd one coming. A boy. Due in June. I refer to him in my head as my “juice boy”. I was off when my other 2 were conceived.

My and my wife refer to our son as the “Tren Baby” lol

 

[mexbeast]

People still cycle? I though that was late 90’s bullshit.

It’s blast and cruise depending totally on shows and bloodwork

I have to say that cycling is good, but for younger guys, 35 and under, and specifically for guys in their 20's

 

[M@NU]

I have to say that cycling is good, but for younger guys, 35 and under, and specifically for guys in their 20's

its always healthier to stay on some sort or TRT and do not come off completely.
you completely wrack your hormone levels each time you come off - this aint good
10-15mg test daily should be kept in

 

[dexitrim]

My and my wife refer to our son as the “Tren Baby” lol

My daughter is my "moonshine" baby, and my son is my "tequila" baby. Both kids, 13 months apart, conceived in the same guest room while visiting relatives in San Diego. Would love to add a "tren" baby, but I'm now fixed lol.

 

[dieselbuilder]

My and my wife refer to our son as the “Tren Baby” lol

I started getting worried about dna issues in my sperm with my deca baby but I am sure he’s fine. All the tests so far show he is developing normally. I just didn’t do myself any favors and started reading up on the effects of AAS on sperm DNA etc. I always expect the worse. I assume your tren baby is a okay. May I ask how old he is?

 

[PRorER]

I started getting worried about dna issues in my sperm with my deca baby but I am sure he’s fine. All the tests so far show he is developing normally. I just didn’t do myself any favors and started reading up on the effects of AAS on sperm DNA etc. I always expect the worse. I assume your tren baby is a okay. May I ask how old he is?

8 months on the 16th. No issues so far, 30lbs already and 31 inches long, but not overly fat just very well distributed. Normal social ques, crawling, pulling himself up, talks alot (can only actually say a few words tho lol). I’ve also read alittle into AAS impact on DNA but I’m kind of under the impression lifestyle along with your genetics are a much bigger influencer, I’m sure your son will be just fine

 

[dieselbuilder]

8 months on the 16th. No issues so far, 30lbs already and 31 inches long, but not overly fat just very well distributed. Normal social ques, crawling, pulling himself up, talks alot (can only actually say a few words tho lol). I’ve also read alittle into AAS impact on DNA but I’m kind of under the impression lifestyle along with your genetics are a much bigger influencer, I’m sure your son will be just fine

Hey congrats! That’s amazing. Love to hear it. And thank you