Staying on cycle forever

[buck]

My joints dictated my dropping any significant cycles way before my blood work ever did. Once the body couldn't handle the heavy loads doing bigger cycles seemed counter productive.

 

[traininsane11]

Now everyone’s making content on it

What have I started

 

[M@NU]

to be honest, the last time i was on true trt is probably 2 years ago.
since then, the majority of time is 1g+ consisting of test/mast/primo and 70mg npp
after my triceps tendon surgery last year august i was on 300mg test + 20mg anavar for 16 weeks
now before christmas i will drop to 245mg test, 70mg npp, 140mg primo.

 

[Aikman56]

After reading some of the responses, and comments on social media around this topic, I’m starting to feel like Kenny and “We’re the Millers” when he finds out he’s the only one not getting paid…
Except for me, it’s more “You mean you guys never go down to real HRT?!?”

I kind of feel like a sucker… I go down to anywhere from 8 to 12 weeks of true HRT (100 mg of testosterone cypionate every four days) at least twice a year. Maybe that’s why I’m not growing? I’m just not giving myself enough time on the good stuff!

 

[Zamun]

to be honest, the last time i was on true trt is probably 2 years ago.
since then, the majority of time is 1g+ consisting of test/mast/primo and 70mg npp
after my triceps tendon surgery last year august i was on 300mg test + 20mg anavar for 16 weeks
now before christmas i will drop to 245mg test, 70mg npp, 140mg primo.

For the 1g+ how much of each?

Have you noticed any negatives health wise?

 

[kadafi2]

I thought a cycle was the old days when guys when pyramid dose.
Not sure if anyone comes off anymore but maybe just lowers the dose or changes a few things?

Good question, it depends on how you interpret it. Personally, I like to divide my steroid use into cycles, even though I haven't stopped taking testosterone for over two years. For example, during the winter, I take testosterone with NPP/MENT, and that's a winter cycle. After that, I take a break on testosterone alone for a while, and then I switch from NPP to trenbolone, and I call that a new cycle. Of course, these are just examples that come to mind, but it's easier to call switching drugs a "new cycle" for me. But I'm just a gym rat.

By the way, things are moving forward: years ago, people did PCT, then bridged to testosterone alone for part of the year, and now there are plans to never go off full cycle. Is this an evolution?

 

[M@NU]

For the 1g+ how much of each?

Have you noticed any negatives health wise?

usually between 500-800mg test, 300-650mg primo, 200-400mg mast
and between 1g and 1,8g
my HDL is quite low (around 20) but my LDL is also low with 60-70.
HCT and HB slightly higher (55/16-17)
BP and HR are managed to hover around 115/65 and 65-70 resting HR. HBA1C is around 4,4
I do quite well with DHTs but i can absolutely not run wet compounds at a higher dosage due to my genetic heart condition

 

[Zamun]

usually between 500-800mg test, 300-650mg primo, 200-400mg mast
and between 1g and 1,8g
my HDL is quite low (around 20) but my LDL is also low with 60-70.
HCT and HB slightly higher (55/16-17)
BP and HR are managed to hover around 115/65 and 65-70 resting HR. HBA1C is around 4,4
I do quite well with DHTs but i can absolutely not run wet compounds at a higher dosage due to my genetic heart condition

What are you taking for BP/HR

I’m assuming with the heart thing you get frequent echos?

 

[Oakley6575]

After reading some of the responses, and comments on social media around this topic, I’m starting to feel like Kenny and “We’re the Millers” when he finds out he’s the only one not getting paid…
Except for me, it’s more “You mean you guys never go down to real HRT?!?”

I kind of feel like a sucker… I go down to anywhere from 8 to 12 weeks of true HRT (100 mg of testosterone cypionate every four days) at least twice a year. Maybe that’s why I’m not growing? I’m just not giving myself enough time on the good stuff!

After your true trt phases, you don't see a huge rebound in growth?

I've been on the fence about this and was planning on coming down to true TRT for 8-12 weeks after my bulk only because of listening to guys like Chris Tuttle, and seeing big rebounds from guys who have surgery, and then come back to gear and blow up.

 

[M@NU]

What are you taking for BP/HR

I’m assuming with the heart thing you get frequent echos?

entresto and nebivolol are the main players here.
but i also take eplerenone and jardiance.
but this medication stays year round and i was prescribed it already when i did not blast roids

and yes, twice a year. and before you ask, yes, the cycle you are on while getting an echo influences the result quite alot

 

[luki7788]

After your true trt phases, you don't see a huge rebound in growth?

I've been on the fence about this and was planning on coming down to true TRT for 8-12 weeks after my bulk only because of listening to guys like Chris Tuttle, and seeing big rebounds from guys who have surgery, and then come back to gear and blow up.

There’s no magic here. You just lose some muscle when you go down to real TRT, and when you go back on cycle you simply regain what you lost. So it feels like a huge jump, but in reality you’re only getting back to where you were before.
I’m probably the best example of someone who has literally never been on true TRT. LOL. I’m not saying I recommend this to anyone. Even for my own competitors I suggest a few weeks of lower doses after a show but still not “real TRT”. More like a total of 500–700 mg.
Because the truth is simple. If you want to keep progressing in bodybuilding, there’s really not much room for going all the way down to real TRT.

 

[Thehulk95]

The way I see it, I think the answer to this question is completely up to somebodies own personal risk tolerance more than anything else. Yes, having good bloods is important, but we’ve seen time and time again there can be so many other issues going on that don’t show up on those tests. You also never really know just how durable your body is either. I know some people that have abused gear and hard rec drugs for decades and are sitting in their 60’s without any known issues, and I also know people in their 30’s who run 5k’s for fun and eat super clean that have had heart attacks. You just never know which camp you might fall in and a simple blood test isn’t going to tell you that either, it’s just a risk we all take when we chose this lifestyle and continue to push things

 

[Son_of_Seamus]

If there was a peptide that kept hematocrit down to normal levels, then a no brainer for me. Everything else can be kept in healthy ranges with peptides it seems and certain supplements. Reta for one has been great for me. Solve the blood count problem and I’d never go down to low TRT doses again.

Yes, I do understand we can keep our blood thinner and anti clotting with Fish Oil, Natto etc. But a simple shot where you don’t even think about it would be nice.

Rusfertide may be that peptide. Hopeful.

 

[rAJJIN]

I know the Trt doctors don’t cycle or ramp
You up and down for therapeutic use. They want blood levels steady.
that aside I think the question is what produces the better result with Gym
Doses?
My thinking is like Lukki.
If I was trying to be better then my competitor or rival I probably would not slow down or take a break while he is not.

 

[ScottMcNally]

My joints dictated my dropping any significant cycles way before my blood work ever did. Once the body couldn't handle the heavy loads doing bigger cycles seemed counter productive.

one of the listeners in the YouTube comments brought this up. that is a good point. its not just labs and internal health. It's how heavy of a beating can your body take for how long before you need to pull back and cruise for a minute

My other thought is, it feels like nowadays, more and more people tend to not come off anyway, regardless of peptides lol. It's not like when I first started lurking around the boards and everyone was doing 8 wk cycles. Maybe 10 wks. I think a big factor has been TRT. Back then everyone was worried about coming off in order to recover natural test production. So we got in, hit it hard and got out. Nowadays, someone might start out with 300mg test, 300 mast and over time, build that out without as much pressure, feeling like they are on the clock

 

[madg]

I done 10 year straight no cruise but i not megadose

No problems and i done all tests plus ekgs etc

Not wven enlarged heart

Im anemic though so hematocrit always in range

 

[RandomLifter]

Great thread! (I’m not a Pro Bodybuilder)

Someone mentioned CNS activity and, TBH, as I build my tolerance (pretty new at this), that seems to be the biggest issue when driving up dosing. That and just overall water retention.

 

[Aikman56]

After your true trt phases, you don't see a huge rebound in growth?

I've been on the fence about this and was planning on coming down to true TRT for 8-12 weeks after my bulk only because of listening to guys like Chris Tuttle, and seeing big rebounds from guys who have surgery, and then come back to gear and blow up.

Nope. When I go on HRT, I continue to train my ass off and when it comes to my eating, I’ll pull back on my carbohydrates a little bit, but I stay on plan. I live off of an Excel sheet all year, off-season and pre-contest. I generally don’t lose more than 5 pounds or so when I go to TRT, that’s probably more to do with a decrease in calories than having less drugs in my system…

I have never “blown up“ on a cycle. Maybe I’m just a poor responder, but it does not matter how hard I’ve pushed dosages & food (and when I was younger, I did the whole “4 g along with 6000+ cal daily”), I just never experienced those rapid periods of weight gain of 15 to 20 or more pounds some guys talk about. I have no idea what that’s like.

 

[Aikman56]

Because the truth is simple. If you want to keep progressing in bodybuilding, there’s really not much room for going all the way down to real TRT.

Like I said… I’ve been a sucker!

 

[traininsane11]

Like I said… I’ve been a sucker!

Hey you’re the only guy on this thread who’s an actual pro the rest of us are just wannabes who wish we were pro’s

So now who’s the suckers