Staying on cycle forever

[BigJP23]

Now everyone’s making content on it

What have I started

To be clear I never saw your post and someone asked me this for a Q&A video. On YouTube the most clickbaity titles seem to work best

 

[traininsane11]

To be clear I never saw your post and someone asked me this for a Q&A video. On YouTube the most clickbaity titles seem to work best

It may well of been me that asked you !

Love your videos I link them on here quite often

It’s rare to actually find LEGIT content from guys who are knowledgable and are pushing the boundaries so keep it up they’re very interesting and give us topics to discuss on here

 

[BigJP23]

Joseph Pircher is a nice guy and i like the info he puts out. But he's also 5'11 and 222 on stage. Dude cannot talk because he's never been big to begin with. This is the LEAST AMOUNT OF GEAR ive been on in 2.5 years (I had to drop down to get my wife preg) but since then i've gained probably 20lbs of tissue. I'm on 1g of test right now, thats it. And this is my real cruise lol

As far as IF guys are doing this, yes. Guys are staying on year round. At truly big guy level is more of a rotating compounds, maybe drop down to where i'm at...but its never a cruise like TRT. You spend so much time taking steps forward, why would anyone go BACKWARDS for a bit? Similar to what luki said, you end up just getting back to where you werrreee. Again, if the goal is to try and grow, you basically need your body to get accustomed to the new size. Which means being here for quite a bit of time during the year. The idea of going from like 2g to 200mg and soft is just not reasonable.

I would say that with the recent addition of pharma drugs to BBers, this is a real thing to have GOOD BLOODWORK while blasting high doses. On 3g i have perfect bloodwork, my cardiologist said he couldnt even tell i was on anything. Was that a thing 15 or so years ago? No, it was probably impossible. High blood pressure and lipids would probably tear you apart. But with the medicine we have no, and if genetics are on your side (i'm a high tolerator in general) its definitely doable.

One thing i will say as someone who is actively trying to kinda lower their anabolic load. I DO think that if i could do it again i probaboy would take more cruises. Aside from the bloodwork thing (which hits some guys and misses others) I think the overall stress level and systemic inflammation is a real thing that needs to be backed down. When you're in grow grow mode all the time, you're just swollen, inflamed, etc. All of that is necessary when we want to grow as big as possible. But thats the shit that wrecks your arteries, midsection, etc. It doesnt need to be long. But I lean more to having clients back down their dose for 4-8 weeks twice a year maybe. Still enough gear where they dont lose size, but enough where their body FEELS different.

I was 225* this year on stage. Have I filled out my frame for the stage yet, no I haven’t. But to say i “can’t talk” and have never been big is silly. I’m routinely in solid offseason shape 270-280. I’ve put over 100 lbs of muscle on myself and have helped hundreds of clients all over the world, many have achieved success someone like you will never reach. I’m not here to go back and forth but don’t talk shit about someone thinking they wouldn’t see it.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I was 225* this year on stage. Have I filled out my frame for the stage yet, no I haven’t. But to say i “can’t talk” and have never been big is silly. I’m routinely in solid offseason shape 270-280. I’ve put over 100 lbs of muscle on myself and have helped hundreds of clients all over the world, many have achieved success someone like you will never reach. I’m not here to go back and forth but don’t talk shit about someone thinking they wouldn’t see it.

No one said you're a bad coach or put out bad info. I actually complimented you lol.
I made a singular comment. It's very hard to talk about getting big and being big when you yourself have never been there (or don't have clients that have). There are honestly very few coaches who actualllly have guys competing 240+. That is a fact you can't dispute.

And you're right. I'm not going to divert the good discussion on this thread when you could've DM'd me lol I dont care whether you see what i said or not. It makes 0 difference to me. Also...if you're losing 55lbs in prep, something is going horribly wrong.

Back to the actual discussion in this thread.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

I have no horse in this race but don't you also lose 55lbs in prep? 330-275?

No worries dude lol.
I started prep at 312 this year. Peeeak offseason weight was low 320s.

 

[traininsane11]

I think the point @TheOtherOne55 was making (and a very valid one) giving advice after doing something yourself can be very different from theoretical knowledge I’m certain it wasn’t a direct insult of any kind just an example.

@BigJP23 has a super impressive physique and is very knowledgeable and no one has said anything to the contrary before people turn this into something it’s not.

I’ve said myself many many times how many SHW guys are documenting all aspects of their journeys for us to learn from and see how average genetic guys are going from 230-280 on stage?

outside of top level pros who’s advice/info is often either rubbish or even if accurate still totally useless to 9/10 of us because they just do whatever and it works cause genetics.

Even top level coaches who are now on this access all areas no more secrets kick telling you how their Olympian dropped down to cruise dosages, cut their food in half, pulled training back and gained 15lbs of muscle in 15 weeks like okay maybe it’s true but are any of us doing that? No

So that’s all this is about for guys wanting to push their physiques to the maximum past a certain level it’s trial and error or you seek out the few others who’ve done the same and blag them with endless questions like I do

I’m about 2.5 years into this game now and there’s pleeeeenty of guys on here who have way more impressive physiques and even more who out knowledge me 100 to 1.

I’m just here to learn as much as possible and document what I’m doing in hope of people either offering me advice to do things more efficiently or so people can learn from my mistakes/successes

We are all trying to do the same thing so why not just help each other out as much as possible

 

[SouthernMuscle]

many have achieved success someone like you will never reach

Oof

What a douchebag statement

 

[SouthernMuscle]

i didn’t know what to make of you at first w the accounts etc, but by now you seem like a solid guy

So listen…

there’s pleeeeenty of guys on here who have way more impressive physiques

No, there’s not. Give yourself some credit.

 

[Flex500]

I do think that blood work, blood pressure, RHR, and tracking your sleep can extend your cycle for crazy long periods of time.

Most of the guys who have died or had health complications did not get bloodwork as often as they should have, nor did they do the other things mentioned… while running way more gear (and dangerous compounds) than necessary.

You still need a break, so if you don’t run a true TRT dose for at least some part of the year (not counting the time it takes long esters the 5 half lives they take to clear), it’s an unnecessary risk.

It’s very rare to find guys that stick to the safer compounds, who monitor all the above, who eat ultra clean… who suddenly develop cardiovascular issues, kidney issues, or die. Odds are it’s still going to happen, but not nearly at the rate of those who lie to themselves.

When speaking of the guys who have passed, most of them spent 90% of their careers throwing caution to the wind with drugs, food, and only getting blood work during off periods. Constant monitoring has only been popular in the last 3-5 years. Most people were not checking themselves enough 10 years ago, so there’s no reasonable comparison. How long did they walk around with high blood pressure? How long did they have dyslipidemia? How long was their eGFR out of range? They didn’t know. Even if you’re eating clean and doing cardio, it can’t fix blood work that you won’t get.

If someone made a list of the guys who’ve passed or were severely altered as a result of their PED use… almost everyone would have some sort of asterisk next to his name about unnecessary risks and unmitigated issues. A few just had a band hand when it came to genetics (John Meadows).

I’m not saying to use for 2-3 years as long as blood work is okay, but the person who IS monitoring religiously who does stay on… is going to be better off than someone blasting an old school 12 week test/deca/dbol cycle whose blood work is skewed within weeks of starting their cycle. Immediate liver toxicity, immediate blood viscosity issues, immediate BP issues, immediate dyslipidemia, etc.

Hell I'll take it a step further and say if every bodybuilder just kept their blood pressure in order you'd avoid a HUGE amount of deaths. Of course I'm not saying you shouldn't get blood work, other checkups, etc. but they amount of time we see on IG "I now have a kidney or heart issue after 20 years of high blood pressure" is insane.

 

[traininsane11]

i didn’t know what to make of you at first w the accounts etc, but by now you seem like a solid guy

So listen…


No, there’s not. Give yourself some credit.

Appreciate that mate thank you .

Gained a lot of extremely useful knowledge from guys on this board who’ve walked the walk

Im just here to soak up as much as possible and document what I’m doing to try and either help people from my trials and errors or at the least be of some mild entertainment

 

[traininsane11]

Hell I'll take it a step further and say if every bodybuilder just kept their blood pressure in order you'd avoid a HUGE amount of deaths. Of course I'm not saying you shouldn't get blood work, other checkups, etc. but they amount of time we see on IG "I now have a kidney or heart issue after 20 years of high blood pressure" is insane.

Very similar to what Justin Harris says actually

You can get away with a lot of dumb shit as long as your BP is in check or something of that nature

 

[buck]

Hell I'll take it a step further and say if every bodybuilder just kept their blood pressure in order you'd avoid a HUGE amount of deaths. Of course I'm not saying you shouldn't get blood work, other checkups, etc. but they amount of time we see on IG "I now have a kidney or heart issue after 20 years of high blood pressure" is insane.

Not just bodybuilders. I have been telling people for over 20 years that i think controlling BP and glucose levels would are the 2 best things people can do for long term health. Seem most major diseases have these 2 factors at the top of their list for causes.

 

[SouthernMuscle]

Appreciate that mate thank you .

Gained a lot of extremely useful knowledge from guys on this board who’ve walked the walk

Im just here to soak up as much as possible and document what I’m doing to try and either help people from my trials and errors or at the least be of some mild entertainment

Well you’ve come a long way in a short time. Whatever you’re doing keep doing it.

 

[Spiro]

I may dip to 300 at the lowest, but I am usually at 5-600.

When you cruise around 300-600, what compounds do you usually run, just test or do you include some primo/mast?

 

[hawkmoon]

When you cruise around 300-600, what compounds do you usually run, just test or do you include some primo/mast?

Test and Deca are my bread and butter.

 

[Massive G]

If there was a peptide that kept hematocrit down to normal levels, then a no brainer for me. Everything else can be kept in healthy ranges with peptides it seems and certain supplements. Reta for one has been great for me. Solve the blood count problem and I’d never go down to low TRT doses again.

Yes, I do understand we can keep our blood thinner and anti clotting with Fish Oil, Natto etc. But a simple shot where you don’t even think about it would be nice.

Have you tried the nattokinase? It has my hematocrit down to 45 for over 3 years now.
Been a blessing. No more monthly visits to the hematologist.

 

[demon]

If there was a peptide that kept hematocrit down to normal levels, then a no brainer for me. Everything else can be kept in healthy ranges with peptides it seems and certain supplements. Reta for one has been great for me. Solve the blood count problem and I’d never go down to low TRT doses again.

Yes, I do understand we can keep our blood thinner and anti clotting with Fish Oil, Natto etc. But a simple shot where you don’t even think about it would be nice.

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[Zamun]

Have you tried the nattokinase? It has my hematocrit down to 45 for over 3 years now.
Been a blessing. No more monthly visits to the hematologist.

What brand are you guys using? I’ll have to get some.

Does it only lower hematocrit? Or RBC as well? I have an issue with both.

 

[kadafi2]

What brand are you guys using? I’ll have to get some.

Does it only lower hematocrit? Or RBC as well? I have an issue with both.

Gymbeam from Europe, Germany. This is one of my go-to supplements and it works.

 

[BigJP23]

Have you tried the nattokinase? It has my hematocrit down to 45 for over 3 years now.
Been a blessing. No more monthly visits to the hematologist.

What are you using for a daily dosage?