Staying on cycle forever

[traininsane11]

Did you notice that you progressed better after those periods of lower doses or were the period on lower doses not long enough for the serum levels to decline enough and potentially have an effect?

im thinking of the theory that guys say that you seem to progress better with periods on lower doses between periods of higher doses, not anything to do with androgen receptors necessarily but more stress, oxidative stress, inflammation and perhaps other regulatory things like myostatin, cortisol and so on. What do you guys think of this, seeing better progress with periods of TRT/HRT or lower cruise/bridge doses like 40-70% of your blast dose, just as an example.

In my opinion will be dose and goal dependent if you’re blast is 800mg then you’ll be fine dropping down to TRT

But if your blast is 2-4g and you’re trying to maximise everything I just don’t see dropping down to a legit TRT to be the best option just to big of a swing in dosages unless of course health requires it

 

[j2048b]

I’m assuming we haven’t seen it in on the black or grey market is there’s not a huge demand for it.

People with testosterone-induced erythrocytosis is probably 0.001% of peptide users. The main consumers of GLPs are fat people that hate the gym which is 75% of the population.

No idea if it’s legit or not but medchemexpress has it for sale.

....

 

[primobolan]

Neurodegeneration. Dr. Dean St. Mark

 

[ScottMcNally]

I have a feeling that many weren't honest about how long they were on a cycle decades ago. As that would have put them in a very bad light if they said they just lowered the dose and stayed on the cycle. Now people like to use trendy terms like cruise, TRT, TRT+to feel better when in actuality their T levels are over the top of the range. Which in my world is a cycle. Almost 25 years ago i started on a cycles for 20-22 weeks came off for 4-6 for blood work then went back on while using a gram + a week. Did that for over 10 going on 12 years. So i am not sure about how many people were going on and off years ago. I was off but only long enough to get into the normal range as i often used a mixture of esters.

that is a great point man. You are probably right! I was coming off and I took it for granted that others were doing what they said but yea, I bet that at least some of that was just lip service so they didn't get attacked by other board members lol

 

[NorwegianMuscle]

that is a great point man. You are probably right! I was coming off and I took it for granted that others were doing what they said but yea, I bet that at least some of that was just lip service so they didn't get attacked by other board members lol

My opinion and experience. You can't get the most out of your cycle if you keep coming off and on. For example, most common people will do summer cycles or run a 3 month cycle with PCT at the end maybe 750mg's of test. Then I see the one person running 750mg's of test on a much longer cycle or stays on but looks completely different. I think you have to give your body the chance to develop and grow on a consistant serum level. You get a chance to get the most out of your cycle and adjust accordingly with diet and training. Also, to work on your tie ins or lagging body parts. Of course, you have to stay on to support the muscle growth or you lose it.

 

[Brock456]

My opinion and experience. You can't get the most out of your cycle if you keep coming off and on. For example, most common people will do summer cycles or run a 3 month cycle with PCT at the end maybe 750mg's of test. Then I see the one person running 750mg's of test on a much longer cycle or stays on but looks completely different. I think you have to give your body the chance to develop and grow on a consistant serum level. You get a chance to get the most out of your cycle and adjust accordingly with diet and training. Also, to work on your tie ins or lagging body parts. Of course, you have to stay on to support the muscle growth or you lose it.

I don’t really see anyone running PCT anymore….

 

[Mufasa123]

I don’t really see anyone running PCT anymore….

I get not constantly jumping on/off so doing blast cruise BUT people seem to jump straight in these days. Really young guys on a first run seem to be making the all in lifestyle choice. Probably has to do with so many people on HRT and older guys doing blast/cruise off that base.

It worries me a bit. First time using a drug and saying, "Yeah, I'm staying on semi permanently and making it a big part of my life." Just something I'd never do - just hard rules if nothing else. And yeah, I've done my share and I still feel line this for anyone new to AAS or any drug.

 

[Brock456]

I get not constantly jumping on/off so doing blast cruise BUT people seem to jump straight in these days. Really young guys on a first run seem to be making the all in lifestyle choice. Probably has to do with so many people on HRT and older guys doing blast/cruise off that base.

It worries me a bit. First time using a drug and saying, "Yeah, I'm staying on semi permanently and making it a big part of my life." Just something I'd never do - just hard rules if nothing else. And yeah, I've done my share and I still feel line this for anyone new to AAS or any drug.

I agree. It’s not like it was when I first started. Now there’s TRT clinics advertised everywhere, young guys on Tik tok running tren in their first cycle. It’s crazy but those are the days we are in I guess….

 

[KyleSmith1985]

I agree. It’s not like it was when I first started. Now there’s TRT clinics advertised everywhere, young guys on Tik tok running tren in their first cycle. It’s crazy but those are the days we are in I guess….

Had an 18 year old at the gym tell me hes on TRT. 250mg of Sustanon. They dont even prescribe Sustanon in the states for TRT.

 

[Siggy]

Had an 18 year old at the gym tell me hes on TRT. 250mg of Sustanon. They dont even prescribe Sustanon in the states for TRT.

 

[Gaintrain]

Doctors best.

you see a lower BP when using this supplement?

 

[Massive G]

you see a lower BP when using this supplement?

No just lower H and H.

 

[Alzadosghost]

I don’t really see anyone running PCT anymore….

Iv never done it. And iv never had a problem returning to normal function after a few months. I never saw the point of taking drugs insight need because a lot of the pct shit is not very healthy. All the guys I know that have done pct never recovered lol I did so I just assumed I never needed it.

 

[ronnie-eats-burgers]

Iv never done it. And iv never had a problem returning to normal function after a few months. I never saw the point of taking drugs insight need because a lot of the pct shit is not very healthy. All the guys I know that have done pct never recovered lol I did so I just assumed I never needed it.

i'm seeing more and more people recommend pure cold turkey now if you want to come off because of issues with clomid/nolva.
are there some cycles you just can't come back from? thinking of going for my 3rd tren a stint of around 300 but feels like i'm playing with fire and certain cycles/compounds suppress you so bad they lock you in for life. or is that just bro science?

 

[Swifto]

i'm seeing more and more people recommend pure cold turkey now if you want to come off because of issues with clomid/nolva.
are there some cycles you just can't come back from? thinking of going for my 3rd tren a stint of around 300 but feels like i'm playing with fire and certain cycles/compounds suppress you so bad they lock you in for life. or is that just bro science?

HPTA "shudown" is exactly that, (almost) zero endogenous hormones. Once you get there, that's it, you can't be more suppressed.

Different drugs like Nandrolone and Trenbolone will cause cessation of natural hormones faster, but not more shutdown.

The length of HPTA shutdown is whats going to mostly affect how quickly you can recover and your natural levels/baseline to begin with.

 

[ronnie-eats-burgers]

HPTA "shudown" is exactly that, (almost) zero endogenous hormones. Once you get there, that's it, you can't be more suppressed.

Different drugs like Nandrolone and Trenbolone will cause cessation of natural hormones faster, but not more shutdown.

The length of HPTA shutdown is whats going to mostly affect how quickly you can recover and your natural levels/baseline to begin with.

that makes sense, thank you. is hpta shutdown something you can revert with brute force? like if someone did tren for a year straight (which so many guys here do apparently lol), could you concoct a dose/length of enclo/nolva high enough to wake up their dormant hpta? or is true hpta permanent shutdown possible?

also, it a return to the baseline possible with brute force/enough time? suppose it is possible to wake up, can you wake it up and get it to back to where it was? it's tricky with ageing and waiting too long i suppose. getting back to baseline at 35+ is tricky because your baseline was slipping anyway, but is a return to natural levels possible earlier than that?

 

[Swifto]

There are too many variables and variations in suppression and HPTA recovery to give you a clear answer.

There are 2 types of "shutdown" (hypogonadism).

Primary and secondary hypogonadism.

Secondary hypogonadism, is when there is a breakdown in the hormonal signals that from the brain that instruct the testes to produce testosterone.

Hypothalamus - GnRH - Pituitary - LH/FSH - Testosterone.

Secondary hypogonadism can be recovered quickly, but not everyone will get LH/FSH back at all, or as fast as another person. But usually, LH and FSH can be restored.

Primary hypogonadism, is when you have a real issue as the testes are no longer responding to LH/FSH, HCG or HMG. This is called testicular dysfunction. This can mean TRT and no kids if spermatogenesis is not restored.

So there are a lot of moving parts.

If you are concerned, TRT isn't that bad and low testosterone is probably more damaging to your health.

You should also get sperm count and mobility checked before using AAS again too.

 

[luki7788]

that makes sense, thank you. is hpta shutdown something you can revert with brute force? like if someone did tren for a year straight (which so many guys here do apparently lol), could you concoct a dose/length of enclo/nolva high enough to wake up their dormant hpta? or is true hpta permanent shutdown possible?

also, it a return to the baseline possible with brute force/enough time? suppose it is possible to wake up, can you wake it up and get it to back to where it was? it's tricky with ageing and waiting too long i suppose. getting back to baseline at 35+ is tricky because your baseline was slipping anyway, but is a return to natural levels possible earlier than that?

I would give you another piece of advice - if you ever want to get off the cycle and go off the steroids not trt just simply don't start taking steroids.

 

[Alzadosghost]

i'm seeing more and more people recommend pure cold turkey now if you want to come off because of issues with clomid/nolva.
are there some cycles you just can't come back from? thinking of going for my 3rd tren a stint of around 300 but feels like i'm playing with fire and certain cycles/compounds suppress you so bad they lock you in for life. or is that just bro science?

All cycles suppress you. Solid yourself. Every single steroids shuts you down. Period. Iv found them all to do the same things that way. No one drug worse than another. That’s all genetic response individualy

 

[Alzadosghost]

that makes sense, thank you. is hpta shutdown something you can revert with brute force? like if someone did tren for a year straight (which so many guys here do apparently lol), could you concoct a dose/length of enclo/nolva high enough to wake up their dormant hpta? or is true hpta permanent shutdown possible?

also, it a return to the baseline possible with brute force/enough time? suppose it is possible to wake up, can you wake it up and get it to back to where it was? it's tricky with ageing and waiting too long i suppose. getting back to baseline at 35+ is tricky because your baseline was slipping anyway, but is a return to natural levels possible earlier than that?

Nothing Iv ever done shut me down permanently. Not grams of test or grams if promo or grams if testosterone. If you always come off as long as youv been on like the old time guys did you will almost certainly regain normal Hpta function. But no one wants to come off. And permanent shutdown is inventible if you don’t her your body heal from the damage. At least thats been my experience. Nearly 30 years of gear use/abuse and iv still gained mine back and made above average natural tear