Strength cycle

[Hermogenes]

I was wondering about doing a cycle like this next summer:

1-12 masteron 600mg/week
1-12 Anavar 80mg/day
maybe
1-12 Test Prop 100 EOD

The goal is to get maximum strength with minimum size.

I have done 1 Test 500 mg week X 12 and it was fine, kept my carbs low and my water up and got some good gains (12 lbs/ kept 6)

I used some OT at the end of that cycle but he back pain was too much.

Tren is not an option as my sleep is shit as it is and I don't need more aggressiveness.

Still thinking about test as I don't like the ups and downs in weight and I am looking into keeping as much of the weight that I gain but I understand that test is fundamental to every cycle.

Your help and suggestions are appreciated

 

[pesty4077]

I was wondering about doing a cycle like this next summer:

1-12 masteron 600mg/week
1-12 Anavar 80mg/day
maybe
1-12 Test Prop 100 EOD

The goal is to get maximum strength with minimum size.

I have done 1 Test 500 mg week X 12 and it was fine, kept my carbs low and my water up and got some good gains (12 lbs/ kept 6)

I used some OT at the end of that cycle but he back pain was too much.

Tren is not an option as my sleep is shit as it is and I don't need more aggressiveness.

Still thinking about test as I don't like the ups and downs in weight and I am looking into keeping as much of the weight that I gain but I understand that test is fundamental to every cycle.

Your help and suggestions are appreciated

You did 1 cycle with 500mg of test? Now you want to do a 1510mg one? WTF? What ever happen to hard work and eating right? So, you kept 6 pounds, probally 1/2 is muscle. In 1 year a 6-10 pound muscle gain is great. You better slow down, and think. If it was real Anavar and Masteron, you can take 1/2 that amount and still make great gains. Test is already in your cycle, that is what prop is. You do understand the times in and out of your system for different tests?

 

[oldfella]

A strength cycle is how you train, not how much gear you take.......unless you are referring to how many mg/ml there is in your gear. Then the answer would be simple, just get stronger gear!! Yes 200mg/ml is stronger than 100mg/ml. Will this make YOU STRONGER?? now that is the question.

If you are not training for strength then any amount of gear will never make you stronger, it is how you train that does this. You can do ma strength cycle and not touch a drop or a pill.

 

[wtw11171]

If you want to get strong eat and lift some heavy ass weight.

 

[Mr.Meat]

You did 1 cycle with 500mg of test? Now you want to do a 1510mg one? WTF? What ever happen to hard work and eating right? So, you kept 6 pounds, probally 1/2 is muscle. In 1 year a 6-10 pound muscle gain is great. You better slow down, and think. If it was real Anavar and Masteron, you can take 1/2 that amount and still make great gains. Test is already in your cycle, that is what prop is. You do understand the times in and out of your system for different tests?

Easy Bro he said he wants MAX STRENGTH WITH MINIMAL WEIGHT GAIN. To me minimal weight gain means hes not interested in size (like a bodybuilder would be) but strength with out weight gain (like a strength athlete that competes in a certain weight class).

OP.

Forget masteron and anavar. Go with test prop and tren ace, its cheaper and definetly more effective. Weight gain will depend on your caloric intake. You're training is gonna dictate whether you train for maximal strength or maximal size etc.

 

[The Wolf]

I would dissagree with some about the drugs on it's own wont give you strength. I remember when we were kids and my cousin who was alot weaker than all of us decided to buy a box of Anabol (pink thai dbol's) and just take them and do no training. After two months he was benching the same as we were benching and he didnt even train! He was holding alot of water, but water = size= strength.

Your cycle is fine Hermogenes but dont expect any miracles as it is a weak cycle for bodybuilding but it's good for athletes ect.

 

[BigJB]

but water = size= strength.

no disrespect bro, but water doesnt lift anything at all. water = bloat = looks fat, thats it. A bit of extra fat content helps with strength, but not water.

 

[Hermogenes]

Thanks for all your answers.

Training and dieting is not a problem to me and I don't even want to touch this meds if training and dieting are not 100%.

Last time I had an injury mid cycle and results where less than what I expected but not disappointing per se.

I confess that AAS is not my forte therefore I am asking 6 months in advance before decide to pin anything.

I am not really found of the sides of Tren (i am quite assertive already and believe that that stuff would make me a total asshole) and water weight is not an option as well

Have a great day

 

[cmhdeadlift]

no disrespect bro, but water doesnt lift anything at all. water = bloat = looks fat, thats it. A bit of extra fat content helps with strength, but not water.

bloat = bigger belly = bigger squat

 

[Johnny Smiles]

if you are serious about strength

then get trenA.
don't know what you need to be strong for but tren WILL make you stronger no matter how you train IMO.
the var might be a good idea too.
and i would not pin test prop for 12 weeks. thats gonna get OLD just use test e and stay lean/eat right and there won't be water bloat.
just my 2 cents -JS

 

[cmhdeadlift]

if it was me i would go with


250mg test E weekly
400mg tren E
400mg EQ

then maybe throw winny tbol or var in

or even halotestin

 

[The Wolf]

no disrespect bro, but water doesnt lift anything at all. water = bloat = looks fat, thats it. A bit of extra fat content helps with strength, but not water.

No disrespect taken But if thats the case then why is it that Anapolon has the most strength gains? And what does muscle mostly consist of?

Those that do it right manage to keep the water inside the muscle and not under the skin.

 

[oldfella]

Water will help with strength gains. Water is what drives contractions in muscles. So, yes, more water in the muscle the harder it can contract which in turn means stronger. We are not talking dramatic here but any gain is desirable.

Sure you can take drugs and get stronger w/out training. But imagine the enhancements in strength you do get when you couple it with hard training. I was not implying that you will not get stronger with drugs, only that it is the specifics of training that will dictate the gains in strength. Using aas should only enhance what you do in the gym and in your diet. Not the other way around.

 

[The Wolf]

Water will help with strength gains. Water is what drives contractions in muscles. So, yes, more water in the muscle the harder it can contract which in turn means stronger. We are not talking dramatic here but any gain is desirable.

Sure you can take drugs and get stronger w/out training. But imagine the enhancements in strength you do get when you couple it with hard training. I was not implying that you will not get stronger with drugs, only that it is the specifics of training that will dictate the gains in strength. Using aas should only enhance what you do in the gym and in your diet. Not the other way around.

I aggree 100%!

 

[pesty4077]

Water will help with strength gains. Water is what drives contractions in muscles. So, yes, more water in the muscle the harder it can contract which in turn means stronger. We are not talking dramatic here but any gain is desirable.

Sure you can take drugs and get stronger w/out training. But imagine the enhancements in strength you do get when you couple it with hard training. I was not implying that you will not get stronger with drugs, only that it is the specifics of training that will dictate the gains in strength. Using aas should only enhance what you do in the gym and in your diet. Not the other way around.

Always an old guy who makes sense.

 

[Hermogenes]

Water will help with strength gains. Water is what drives contractions in muscles. So, yes, more water in the muscle the harder it can contract which in turn means stronger. We are not talking dramatic here but any gain is desirable.

Sure you can take drugs and get stronger w/out training. But imagine the enhancements in strength you do get when you couple it with hard training. I was not implying that you will not get stronger with drugs, only that it is the specifics of training that will dictate the gains in strength. Using aas should only enhance what you do in the gym and in your diet. Not the other way around.

That should be implied in the OP.

In my opinion AAS is the icing in the cake and the cake is made of training and diet.

The icing can make the cake look better and taste better but if the cake is junk the final flavour is ok.

If teh cake is great them you have magic.

I am looking for magic, therefore no point in taking any drug if I can't take the whole thing seriously, therefore I am asking now 6 months beforehand reading as I go and trying to have the best plan set up.

I understand that some water retention may happen when taking test and I intend to keep it to a minimum with diet and water consumption.

I understand that Tren is the best stuff when looking for "lean gains" and strength, but my sleep is crap and I am quite assertive I don't believe that I need coughing, insomnia and the prospect of turning into a full blown jerk. Working in the service sector makes you to be careful with things that you say as there always will be some bitch waiting to back stab you.

Thanks for your time and input.

 

[Hermogenes]

if it was me i would go with


250mg test E weekly
400mg tren E
400mg EQ

then maybe throw winny tbol or var in

or even halotestin

Why Equipoise?

 

[DShaw]

no disrespect bro, but water doesnt lift anything at all. water = bloat = looks fat, thats it. A bit of extra fat content helps with strength, but not water.

Fat helps with strength?

On what planet?

(no disrespect meant either, but really, you might think things through some more)

 

[cmhdeadlift]

Fat helps with strength?

On what planet?

(no disrespect meant either, but really, you might think things through some more)

idk if you would call it strength, but it does help put up maximum numbers

fat around the belly will create more leverage and better stability on a big squat or deadlift, will be less likely to break at the waist

try squating with a belt a few sizes too tight, no room to stick your belly out
then squat with one where you can fit a few fingers in, enough that you can blow out and make your belly bigger
the second one will make you understand what im talking about

 

[cmhdeadlift]

Why Equipoise?

no water weight
tendon repair surposedly, which is needed if you are lifting heavy as possible
higher rbc count, good for recovery
extra protein synthesis/nitrogen rentention

and idk bout you, but after a heavy ass CNS draining workout, i have no appetite
the eq will help with that too