such thing as an optimal range of LDL cholesterol for better muscle building?

[mitochondria]

studies showing higher ldls better for muscle growth but whats enough and too much? any of you atcually analytical enough to keep it within a certain range, or this overrated?

 

[Kaladryn]

Link a study that shows this. Studies very often confuse their cause and effects. Example, you could probably show people with a higher LDL had more muscle, but the higher LDL is just an effect of higher testosterone or lower estrogen, not the cause of the additional muscle mass. I believe this is the main reason women generally have lower LDL and higher HDL.

 

[FutureFreak]

I wrote an article on this study - **broken link removed**

Quite fascinating.

 

[Kaladryn]

In fact, he performed a study involving 52 adults from ages 60-69 years old who were in generally good health , but not physically active. None of the subjects were training on a regular basis. The summation of the study concluded that after moderate intense exercise, participants who had accrued the most muscle mass also displayed the highest levels of LDL (bad cholesterol). This was definitely a surprise, and not something that was expected.

This unique finding demonstrates that you need a certain amount of LDL to elicit adequate muscular hypertrophy. It proves that all forms of cholesterol are paramount to a person’s health. You simply cannot remove all of your “bad cholesterol” as that would actually be detrimental to your health.

Seems like confusion of cause and effects to me. It is just as likely that higher testosterone or other androgens (or lower competitive estrogens) caused the higher LDL to begin with, thus the higher LDL is just an effect, not a cause.

 

[Pumped1]

my ldl went up about 8 points when going from 150mg of test to 300mg of test.

but when does ldl become negative ...? above 120's 140's


is it just a ratio between hdl/ldl?

 

[mitochondria]

well alls i can say is what iv ebeen reading and researching is that purposly trying to keep a higher level of ldl will aid in better muscle, not related with the fact that more test will make more ldl as we know, but purposly doing this would prob just be very minor and analitcal. i think studies are simi saying dont over do the ldl lowering meds if trying to obtain more muslce