summer cycle

[makaveli25]

hey bros im new to this board.. i am 24 6'0 and about 210.. ive ran about 4 solid cycle since i was 21.. played some d3 college ball were we weren;t tested.. this summer i want to put together a good cycle.. i want to use highly anabolic compounds and stay away from a shit load of test like a usually do.. i want clean dry gains.. i have used equipose and it gave me horrible bp and anxiety.. and tren mite be out of the question because my job is super stressfull and i defineltly need my sleep i get up at 4 in the morning for work.. i was thinking

Test E 250mg ew 1-14
Primo 400-600mg ew 1-14

or

Test E
masteron
winny inject..

what would you guys sugest

 

[ironone1]

I'd go with your second cycle choice. Primo is weak and way overpriced for the results you will see. I like test and masteron but am not crazy about winstrol because of the joint pain and tendency it causes for pulling muscle tendons.

 

[Potimus]

A Zambon/Agovirin cycle would kick ass. Both waterbased, both painless, great results. I wouldnt waste money on Masteron, and scherings are a bit pricey.

 

[makaveli25]

A Zambon/Agovirin cycle would kick ass. Both waterbased, both painless, great results. I wouldnt waste money on Masteron, and scherings are a bit pricey.

what up pot! whats agovirin bro haven't heard of that

 

[ironone1]

A Zambon/Agovirin cycle would kick ass. Both waterbased, both painless, great results. I wouldnt waste money on Masteron, and scherings are a bit pricey.

Zambons are alot more money than masteron and will give him joint pain after awhile. Not to mention that he will be a pin cushion on winstrol having to shoot it e.d. Winstrol is a waste i.m.o.

 

[Potimus]

what up pot! whats agovirin bro haven't heard of that

Test suspension.

Zambons are alot more money than masteron and will give him joint pain after awhile. Not to mention that he will be a pin cushion on winstrol having to shoot it e.d. Winstrol is a waste i.m.o.

Gains to price ratio, winstrol wins hands down. He could honestly shoot EOD with the winstrol. TNE must be shot ED aswell, but using a slin pin for both makes things A LOT easier, compared to using 22g-25g.

 

[ironone1]

Test suspension.



Gains to price ratio, winstrol wins hands down. He could honestly shoot EOD with the winstrol. TNE must be shot ED aswell, but using a slin pin for both makes things A LOT easier, compared to using 22g-25g.

I'm not sure what your referring to when you say "TNE"? Masteron is either prop or an enanthate ester, not TNE. You can get away with shooting it every few days and even longer with enanthate. I personally saw more results with less sides from masteron, but you may be different.

 

[ALLEX]

So, is Agovirin actually suspension?
My choice would be prop+primo. Few quality pounds, no sides... Dry.


STEROID PRODUCT NAME: Agovirin Depot
SUBSTANCE: Testosteroni Isobutyrate
CONTENT: 5 x 2 ml. Amps/[50mg/2ml]
MANUFACTURER: Slovakia/Biotika



Substance:
Testosterone Isobutyrate

Country of Production:
Slovakia

Form:
50 mg / 1 amp.

Recommended dosage:
200-600 mg per week.

Testosterone Isobutyrate is an injectable preparation containing testosterone in a water base. Testosterone Isobutyrate has a reputation of being an extremely potent injectable, often ranked highest among the testosterones. Very fast acting, testosterone Isobutyrate will sustain elevated testosterone levels for only 2-3 days. This drug is very effective for building muscle mass, its side effects are also very extreme. The testosterone in this compound will convert to estrogen very quickly, and has a reputation of being the worst testosterone to use when wishing to avoid water bloat. Gynocomastia is also seen very quickly with this drug and cannot be used without an anti-estrogen. Blood pressure and kidney functions should also be looked at during heavy use. Another very noticeable effect from this drug is that it can dramatically increase the sex drive when it is used in the short term, but, as with other testosterones, the long term use can lead to impotence and sexual dysfunction. Isobutyrate is not a common drug outside the U.S. and Canada, so with the disappearing "real" American versions, availability has become very scarce. There are currently many fakes being circulated, with real products seen only rarely.

 

[Potimus]

I'm not sure what your referring to when you say "TNE"? Masteron is either prop or an enanthate ester, not TNE. You can get away with shooting it every few days and even longer with enanthate. I personally saw more results with less sides from masteron, but you may be different.

TNE = Test No Ester aka Test Susp. I thought that was common slang, guess not.

 

[Potimus]

So, is Agovirin actually suspension?
My choice would be prop+primo. Few quality pounds, no sides... Dry.


Testosterone Isobutyrate is an injectable preparation containing testosterone in a water base. Testosterone Isobutyrate has a reputation of being an extremely potent injectable, often ranked highest among the testosterones. Very fast acting, testosterone Isobutyrate will sustain elevated testosterone levels for only 2-3 days. This drug is very effective for building muscle mass, its side effects are also very extreme. The testosterone in this compound will convert to estrogen very quickly, and has a reputation of being the worst testosterone to use when wishing to avoid water bloat. Gynocomastia is also seen very quickly with this drug and cannot be used without an anti-estrogen. Blood pressure and kidney functions should also be looked at during heavy use. Another very noticeable effect from this drug is that it can dramatically increase the sex drive when it is used in the short term, but, as with other testosterones, the long term use can lead to impotence and sexual dysfunction. Isobutyrate is not a common drug outside the U.S. and Canada, so with the disappearing "real" American versions, availability has become very scarce. There are currently many fakes being circulated, with real products seen only rarely. [/I]

Yes, waterbased just like winstrol.

 

[ALLEX]

Yes, waterbased just like winstrol.

Water-based but esterified. NOT the same as test suspension or TNE.
Isobutyrate is actually longer than propionate, having a half-life of a good 4 days.

"The main difference between different esters is simply the number of carbon atoms in the ester. Propionate has three carbons, acetate has two, isobutyrate has four, enanthate has seven, cypionate has eight, and decanoate has ten." Ironlife Magazine.

 

[Potimus]

Water-based but esterified. NOT the same as test suspension or TNE.
Isobutyrate is actually longer than propionate, having a half-life of a good 4 days.

"The main difference between different esters is simply the number of carbon atoms in the ester. Propionate has three carbons, acetate has two, isobutyrate has four, enanthate has seven, cypionate has eight, and decanoate has ten." Ironlife Magazine.

Agreed. Didnt read to much into it. I thought all TNE was just test base. Thanks.

 

[ironone1]

TNE = Test No Ester aka Test Susp. I thought that was common slang, guess not.

I know what it is. I thought you were talking about winny vs. masteron (their esters).

 

[ironone1]

Test suspension.



Gains to price ratio, winstrol wins hands down. He could honestly shoot EOD with the winstrol. TNE must be shot ED aswell, but using a slin pin for both makes things A LOT easier, compared to using 22g-25g.

Slin pin for winstrol? My 25 and 22's were getting clogged, I don't know how you would use a slin pin without it clogging all the time unless you push it in superfast, which I hate doing. I read that Clemens trainer was making him use a 16g pin for winny, which is insane. No wonder he said he had to stop using it.