Superdrol, low cortisol cause of lethargy?

[micro2000]

finally a substantive discussion...I came up with a theory while reading threads about SD and I wanted it to be confronted with the experience and knowledge of others, because I want to solve the "mystery of SD lethargy" to AVOID lethargy before I take SD because I already have symptoms that resemble chronic fatigue.

Sure, that (almost?) every AAS causes a decrease in cortisol, because the test itself does that. Sure, that (almost?) every AAS increases insulin sensitivity, because the test itself does that. But there is a difference between low cortisol/glucose levels and VERY LOW levels, I will not explain why now. For example, test and every other AAS increase inflammation, but only 1-test is known to significantly increase CRP. As for the effect of AAS on neurotransmitters, test increases the effect of noradrenaline (anxiety, heartbeat, nervousness) and these symptoms often occur with primo, EQ, sten or tren; in addition, excess estrogen increases prolactin, a dopamine inhibitor, hence less motivation to exercise and general laziness. In addition, 600mg/w of the test turned out to be worse in terms of libido than 300mg/w, probably due to the increase in prolactin that eliminates the stimulating androgenic effects of the test. Tren lethargy may result from poor sleep, because only phases of deep sleep regenerate the brain.

How can we explain the fact that fatigue disappears during training? Besides, such a strong GABA-nergic effect would have to be immediate, and not after 2-3 weeks, tolerance built after a few weeks of daily use, and after a cycle a rebound effect, typical for depressants

The fatigue disappears because exercise cranks up stimulatory neurotransmitters. As for the delay, my guess is many ramp up the doses over a period instead of starting at say 30mg/day. The sedation/fatigue seems dose dependent. I've taken SD at 10mg/day with no fatigue.

All of this is speculation of course. I have just never been convinced of the "liver toxicity" claim.

 

[KingOfSushi]

Again, are you basing this on blood test results? I'm not disputing that other steroids don't lower cortisol, just that SD doesn't do it by much more.

Do you mean does?

 

[Cinder]

I’ve run sd many times with bloodwork. My statement is a reflection of my personal experience.

Your theory sucks. You suck. You didn’t stumble onto anything groundbreaking. SD has been discussed many times here. Maybe you should do more reading and less spouting of nonsensical theories and what-ifs

You're kind of a dick.
You can have a discussion with out that "your theory sucks, you suck" nonsense.
You've been here a year, calm the fuck down.

Now vets are coming in to have a valid discussion.
It's not destroying your liver a day after taking it.

 

[KingOfSushi]

But there is a difference between low cortisol/glucose levels and VERY LOW levels, I will not explain why now.

You don’t have to. Everyone understands that. No steroids are chronically lowering your cortisol to addisons level low cortisol.

 

[bbxtreme]

finally a substantive discussion...I came up with a theory while reading threads about SD and I wanted it to be confronted with the experience and knowledge of others, because I want to solve the "mystery of SD lethargy" to AVOID lethargy before I take SD because I already have symptoms that resemble chronic fatigue.

If you already have symptoms of chronic fatigue then Superdrol is the last compound you should be considering.

It’s not generally “one” thing, but the combination of multiple factors. Decreased recovery, HRV, increased CRP, increased toxic load to key organs, increased CNS stress, decreased GI function, etc. You will drive yourself crazy trying to pinpoint it down to one because it rarely is just one factor.

Get healthy and clear your chronic fatigue, stay there for a while and then revisit orals or superdrol should you still want to run it. If you don’t then you will go one step forward and three back (if you’re lucky) by running it now.

Just my opinion and experience.

 

[dantes]

I think superdrol is to side effect heavy for what ever reason (cortisol, toxicity, gi tract, who knows) to really be worth it. I think it probably has its best utility being used 1 wk pre contest for a bodybuilding or powerlifting contest as it doesn’t take long to provide a big increase in strength and or fullness. I have never used it for either but I believe Roman Fritz adds it around 1wk pre show.

 

[mexbeast]

finally a substantive discussion...I came up with a theory while reading threads about SD and I wanted it to be confronted with the experience and knowledge of others, because I want to solve the "mystery of SD lethargy" to AVOID lethargy before I take SD because I already have symptoms that resemble chronic fatigue.

Sure, that (almost?) every AAS causes a decrease in cortisol, because the test itself does that. Sure, that (almost?) every AAS increases insulin sensitivity, because the test itself does that. But there is a difference between low cortisol/glucose levels and VERY LOW levels, I will not explain why now. For example, test and every other AAS increase inflammation, but only 1-test is known to significantly increase CRP. As for the effect of AAS on neurotransmitters, test increases the effect of noradrenaline (anxiety, heartbeat, nervousness) and these symptoms often occur with primo, EQ, sten or tren; in addition, excess estrogen increases prolactin, a dopamine inhibitor, hence less motivation to exercise and general laziness. In addition, 600mg/w of the test turned out to be worse in terms of libido than 300mg/w, probably due to the increase in prolactin that eliminates the stimulating androgenic effects of the test. Tren lethargy may result from poor sleep, because only phases of deep sleep regenerate the brain.

How can we explain the fact that fatigue disappears during training? Besides, such a strong GABA-nergic effect would have to be immediate, and not after 2-3 weeks, tolerance built after a few weeks of daily use, and after a cycle a rebound effect, typical for depressants

It's cool to express theories, most things in life are theories after all.
The reason for feeling alert, fully awake and with energy during the work out could be due to adrenaline nor adrenaline release, and other excitatory factors, for me high blood sugar/glucose levels make me feel very tired

 

[mexbeast]

For me personally just don't think it's worth using, so i never even think about it, I want to use aas that make me feel good, not the other way

 

[Fleezy]

your body is utilizing all available resources to generate adenomas on your liver

that's why superdrol is making you lethargic

 

[micro2000]

For those that have used SD and experienced the fatigue/sedation from it, have you used any other orals that caused similar tiredness? Was it the same sensation or felt qualitatively different?

 

[Cinder]

For those that have used SD and experienced the fatigue/sedation from it, have you used any other orals that caused similar tiredness? Was it the same sensation or felt qualitatively different?

Mtren on the first pill. SD on second pill.

 

[Cinder]

Who is this guy lol?
He sent me this Dm

 

[KingOfSushi]

Who is this guy lol?
He sent me this Dm

That is the user you responded to in this thread. As you can see, they have the same username.

 

[KillerStack]

For those that have used SD and experienced the fatigue/sedation from it, have you used any other orals that caused similar tiredness? Was it the same sensation or felt qualitatively different?

Dbol and Anadrol both make me tired, high doses of steroids in general do it too. But the tiredness from dbol is kind of nice because it feels so good to lie down and sleep lol, euphoria maybe isn't quite the right word as it's not that strong, but the sleep is subjectively better for me. Anadrol does the same for sleep, I sleep longer, but I don't feel as positive as with dbol. Tren has made me very lethargic in a bad way, anxiety while very tired yet restless sleep, sometimes with nightmares. I have had other stuff in my stack the few times I've tried SD so I felt I couldn't properly gauge it, tren for example.

 

[specter]

i think there is somekind of genetic polymorfism going on in the context of breaking down/uptake of orals, personally if i take like 50mg of anadrol a day after 4 dayes i feel like im dying, im tired, i feel like absolute dog shit, i cant eat etc and i know my liver aint damaged after just 4 dayes of anadrol. Now take tren i can blast that shit at high doses for a long period of time no problem. Same goes for painkillers i have alot of chronic pain and if i take dolol i get close to 0 effect now if i take codein i get a super effect, my friend who is a professor told me that genetic testing for polymorfisms is the gonna be the next "evoloution" in medicin, so when you come in with a disease they test your genes and via that can see what type of drug you will respond best to for that disease.

 

[romo]

I have taken every oral there is, all of em. I just ordered some dbol. I will do 20mg a day for 4 weeks, just for fun. All dht derivatives which superdrol is and many others, bothers my joints now a days. But out of all of them nothing has made me feel as bad a superdrol. I mean sick. Tried twice with it. Around day 7 im thinking wtf did they accidentally send me cyanide tablets lol.

 

[Cinder]

That is the user you responded to in this thread. As you can see, they have the same username.

Lol I know that. I'm saying like who does this weirdo thinks he is.

 

[Neuro1234]

Your theory sucks. You suck.

just don’t think you can accept the fact your theory is as useless as your contributions here so far.

You okay, man?

 

[3BILLS]

I’ve run sd many times with bloodwork. My statement is a reflection of my personal experience.

Your theory sucks. You suck. You didn’t stumble onto anything groundbreaking. SD has been discussed many times here. Maybe you should do more reading and less spouting of nonsensical theories and what-ifs

What do you say we switch your username and get you a fresh start ?

 

[3BILLS]

What do you say we switch your username and get you a fresh start ?

And definitely some icecream. Icecream always makes me feel better. Heck im going to have some icecream on your behalf