Superdrol, low cortisol cause of lethargy?

[micro2000]

I have taken every oral there is, all of em. I just ordered some dbol. I will do 20mg a day for 4 weeks, just for fun. All dht derivatives which superdrol is and many others, bothers my joints now a days. But out of all of them nothing has made me feel as bad a superdrol. I mean sick. Tried twice with it. Around day 7 im thinking wtf did they accidentally send me cyanide tablets lol.

Do you remember the dose of SD you were taking?

 

[3BILLS]

Lol I know that. I'm saying like who does this weirdo thinks he is.

I think all of us weirdo think were the shit

 

[pistonpump]

I have taken every oral there is, all of em. I just ordered some dbol. I will do 20mg a day for 4 weeks, just for fun. All dht derivatives which superdrol is and many others, bothers my joints now a days. But out of all of them nothing has made me feel as bad a superdrol. I mean sick. Tried twice with it. Around day 7 im thinking wtf did they accidentally send me cyanide tablets lol.

I just did 3 weeks of dbol 25mg stacked with epistane 30mg. It was a great combo but just from that amount of dbol I needed to up my AI. Tits were getting bothered but since stopping the tits are good lol. The combo got me a ton of compliments and the pumps and strength boost was really good, fun ride. No signs of liver stress, lethargy, or loss of appetite. I'm going to take a month or two off and do the same combo. Most guys on forums yt, shit on dbol but it's not a bad compound it def will put size on even tho u lose some it still has its place. Alongside a dry compound it can help.

 

[romo]

Do you remember the dose of SD you were taking?

Just 10mg,, i shouldn't say ,just, because SD is very potent. Always start out at 10mg, i believe.

 

[romo]

I just did 3 weeks of dbol 25mg stacked with epistane 30mg. It was a great combo but just from that amount of dbol I needed to up my AI. Tits were getting bothered but since stopping the tits are good lol. The combo got me a ton of compliments and the pumps and strength boost was really good, fun ride. No signs of liver stress, lethargy, or loss of appetite. I'm going to take a month or two off and do the same combo. Most guys on forums yt, shit on dbol but it's not a bad compound it def will put size on even tho u lose some it still has its place. Alongside a dry compound it can help.

pistonpump,, been reading your post for years. Epistane, cool idea. Yes throwing in some dbol, i am just cruising now on 200 test 200 EQ. I have 20g of aromasin on hand.

 

[milijon]

Just out of curiosity, how many mg of dbol do you need to feel that famous euphoria? I'm currently taking 10mg and even with music during training I don't feel better (although my music puts me in euphoria), I can't take more, because with 15mg I feel nauseous after a meal after a week.
Adrol 50mg works better for me, no bad mood or water retention, it works like a weak AI for me, drier for the test and I can do more without gyno, but I injured my knee on adrol during low bar squat and bands. I think it's because of deca, studies have shown that nandrolone has an adverse effect on tendons and ligaments, so I won't be taking it anymore, especially since it didn't reduce my spine or shoulder and scapula pain (80-250mg/w).
In general, I feel bad on the test itself, I have a low-grade fever for 2 days after the injection and severe pain at the injection site (I don't take much, 400-600/w, 2inj/w. Lab EP.
In the future, I will try sdrol, but no more than 5-10mg. My cortisol is high, slightly above the upper line, even after supplements it was only slightly lowered, so maybe sdrol won't hurt it too much and I won't feel like shit (if my theory means anything), but it will only be 5-10, not 20-30mg. Based on anecdotes about the effects and side effects, I think Sdrol is about 5-10 times stronger than Adrol.

 

[gib68sg]

Just out of curiosity, how many mg of dbol do you need to feel that famous euphoria? I'm currently taking 10mg and even with music during training I don't feel better (although my music puts me in euphoria), I can't take more, because with 15mg I feel nauseous after a meal after a week.
Adrol 50mg works better for me, no bad mood or water retention, it works like a weak AI for me, drier for the test and I can do more without gyno, but I injured my knee on adrol during low bar squat and bands. I think it's because of deca, studies have shown that nandrolone has an adverse effect on tendons and ligaments, so I won't be taking it anymore, especially since it didn't reduce my spine or shoulder and scapula pain (80-250mg/w).
In general, I feel bad on the test itself, I have a low-grade fever for 2 days after the injection and severe pain at the injection site (I don't take much, 400-600/w, 2inj/w. Lab EP.
In the future, I will try sdrol, but no more than 5-10mg. My cortisol is high, slightly above the upper line, even after supplements it was only slightly lowered, so maybe sdrol won't hurt it too much and I won't feel like shit (if my theory means anything), but it will only be 5-10, not 20-30mg. Based on anecdotes about the effects and side effects, I think Sdrol is about 5-10 times stronger than Adrol.

Call me crazy..but if you feel like shit on just test I really don’t think you’re going to feel good on Superdrol. Unless you are a physical anomaly, that is.

 

[pistonpump]

pistonpump,, been reading your post for years. Epistane, cool idea. Yes throwing in some dbol, i am just cruising now on 200 test 200 EQ. I have 20g of aromasin on hand.

20mg dbol is pretty harmless imo

Just out of curiosity, how many mg of dbol do you need to feel that famous euphoria? I'm currently taking 10mg and even with music during training I don't feel better (although my music puts me in euphoria), I can't take more, because with 15mg I feel nauseous after a meal after a week.
Adrol 50mg works better for me, no bad mood or water retention, it works like a weak AI for me, drier for the test and I can do more without gyno, but I injured my knee on adrol during low bar squat and bands. I think it's because of deca, studies have shown that nandrolone has an adverse effect on tendons and ligaments, so I won't be taking it anymore, especially since it didn't reduce my spine or shoulder and scapula pain (80-250mg/w).
In general, I feel bad on the test itself, I have a low-grade fever for 2 days after the injection and severe pain at the injection site (I don't take much, 400-600/w, 2inj/w. Lab EP.
In the future, I will try sdrol, but no more than 5-10mg. My cortisol is high, slightly above the upper line, even after supplements it was only slightly lowered, so maybe sdrol won't hurt it too much and I won't feel like shit (if my theory means anything), but it will only be 5-10, not 20-30mg. Based on anecdotes about the effects and side effects, I think Sdrol is about 5-10 times stronger than Adrol.

Bro 10mg of dbol isnt shit. If u feel bad from 15mg there's no way u could even handle 5mg adrol. I think you are having psychosomatic symptoms, thinking about the drugs too much making u have anxiety or whatever side effects u perceive. Deca is actually good for the joints and ligaments. Maybe u are doing injections wrong?
I def wouldn't advise taking sdrol for you

 

[milijon]

Call me crazy..but if you feel like shit on just test I really don’t think you’re going to feel good on Superdrol. Unless you are a physical anomaly, that is.

I'll clarify: I have a slight "test flu". It's related to the fact that androgens have a pro-inflammatory effect. Some people are susceptible to this even on trt. Sdrol seems to work differently, because I don't have lethargy and don't sleep more, and training doesn't make me feel better.

20mg dbol is pretty harmless imo

Bro 10mg of dbol isnt shit. If u feel bad from 15mg there's no way u could even handle 5mg adrol. I think you are having psychosomatic symptoms, thinking about the drugs too much making u have anxiety or whatever side effects u perceive. Deca is actually good for the joints and ligaments. Maybe u are doing injections wrong?
I def wouldn't advise taking sdrol for you

I react badly to 15mg dbol, but 50mg adrol doesn't cause me any problems, only slightly higher blood pressure than on the test itself. I don't know what you mean with these "psychosomatic symptoms", my fever is confirmed by a thermometer, the knee injury was very real, it's getting better every week, the problem with the shoulder and spine is confirmed by MRI/X-ray. I have no anxiety associated with it, the only anxiety I had was with the injections at the beginning. Deca is bad for ligaments, I won't argue about that, just search PUBMED for "nandrolone joints", of course it reduces pain, but not because of "oiling" the joint, but fatty ligaments.

 

[milijon]

in addition, nandrolone disrupts VEGF production. I have had an IV inserted a few times in my life without any problems or discomfort, and the nurses always praised my veins when taking blood. Recently (3 weeks after the cycle) the IV caused me pain and swelling, 2 weeks later during another procedure the nurse could not insert the IV and the doctor had to do it, it also hurt. I suspect it is because of the DECA, but I am not sure.

 

[KingOfSushi]

It's related to the fact that androgens have a pro-inflammatory effect.

Is your crp elevated?

 

[bbxtreme]

I'll clarify: I have a slight "test flu". It's related to the fact that androgens have a pro-inflammatory effect. Some people are susceptible to this even on trt. Sdrol seems to work differently, because I don't have lethargy and don't sleep more, and training doesn't make me feel better.

I react badly to 15mg dbol, but 50mg adrol doesn't cause me any problems, only slightly higher blood pressure than on the test itself. I don't know what you mean with these "psychosomatic symptoms", my fever is confirmed by a thermometer, the knee injury was very real, it's getting better every week, the problem with the shoulder and spine is confirmed by MRI/X-ray. I have no anxiety associated with it, the only anxiety I had was with the injections at the beginning. Deca is bad for ligaments, I won't argue about that, just search PUBMED for "nandrolone joints", of course it reduces pain, but not because of "oiling" the joint, but fatty ligaments.

I would actually venture to say that if you’re feeling that from test that you’re increasing the dosage too fast. Much of what you’re describing is actually from mast cell activation syndrome which comes from androgen fluctuations.

The second point I would add is that if you have no issues with anadrol then I would use that over superdrol. You know it works with minimum side effects (increased BP which can be managed). Superdrol just isn’t a sustainable compound to run long term IMO.

 

[Neuro1234]

ecently (3 weeks after the cycle) the IV caused me pain and swelling, 2 weeks later during another procedure the nurse could not insert the IV and the doctor had to do it, it also hurt.

Lots of factors for IV pain and swelling tbh.

why are you requiring IV’s so frequently? I don’t know a single doctor who would even attempt a standard IV placement if a nurse couldn’t get it? Did the MD have to place a central line? I can drop an iv in some of the gnarliest IV drug users out there. IMHO I don't think your cycle of nandrolone caused your issues here.

 

[Doitagain]

 

[Neuro1234]

Nie robiłam żadnych badań w trakcie cyklu, ale przed cyklem moje poziomy były w normie.

Dzięki za odpowiedź. Możesz mieć rację, ponieważ najgorzej czułem się, gdy przyjąłem dawkę nasycającą (2x) w pierwszym tygodniu, a najlepiej, gdy wynosiła 50%. Czy istnieje sposób na obniżenie aktywacji komórek? Czy możesz podać przykład sposobu stopniowego zwiększania dawki, aby nie odczuwać tej „grypy” na przykładzie testu 500 mg/w? Większość białka dostarczają mi jajka. Czy kwas arachidonowy może mieć znaczący wpływ na pogorszenie reakcji zapalnej?

Co sądzisz o połączeniu małej dawki sdrolu z adrolem w celu synergii masy mięśniowej? Mam bardzo słabe wchłanianie wody, czy to podskórnie, czy domięśniowo, jestem bardzo ziarnisty na adrolu, więc nie jestem zadowolony z objętości, jaką daje.

Te zastrzyki były wykonywane przez okres około 10 lat, zabiegi chirurgiczne. Ostatni zabieg był w małej klinice/gabinecie lekarskim, gdzie był tylko 1 lekarz i 2 pielęgniarki. Cykl był jedyną zmienną, która mogła na to wpłynąć, może to coś innego, nie wiem.

Am I losing my mind right now?

 

[bbxtreme]

Nie robiłam żadnych badań w trakcie cyklu, ale przed cyklem moje poziomy były w normie.

Dzięki za odpowiedź. Możesz mieć rację, ponieważ najgorzej czułem się, gdy przyjąłem dawkę nasycającą (2x) w pierwszym tygodniu, a najlepiej, gdy wynosiła 50%. Czy istnieje sposób na obniżenie aktywacji komórek? Czy możesz podać przykład sposobu stopniowego zwiększania dawki, aby nie odczuwać tej „grypy” na przykładzie testu 500 mg/w? Większość białka dostarczają mi jajka. Czy kwas arachidonowy może mieć znaczący wpływ na pogorszenie reakcji zapalnej?

Co sądzisz o połączeniu małej dawki sdrolu z adrolem w celu synergii masy mięśniowej? Mam bardzo słabe wchłanianie wody, czy to podskórnie, czy domięśniowo, jestem bardzo ziarnisty na adrolu, więc nie jestem zadowolony z objętości, jaką daje.

Te zastrzyki były wykonywane przez okres około 10 lat, zabiegi chirurgiczne. Ostatni zabieg był w małej klinice/gabinecie lekarskim, gdzie był tylko 1 lekarz i 2 pielęgniarki. Cykl był jedyną zmienną, która mogła na to wpłynąć, może to coś innego, nie wiem.

You forgot to hit “translate”. But no I would not run sdrol with anadrol. I would pick one or the other and not sure why having a grainy look matters in this case?

I have a thread on here around tren and mast cells/histamine that will cover that topic, but still would move a bit slower when increasing dosages.

I didn’t translate your replies to others so may want to do that for them. Lol

 

[milijon]

Sorry mea culpa, I reported my post

 

[milijon]

You forgot to hit “translate”. But no I would not run sdrol with anadrol. I would pick one or the other and not sure why having a grainy look matters in this case?

I have a thread on here around tren and mast cells/histamine that will cover that topic, but still would move a bit slower when increasing dosages.

I didn’t translate your replies to others so may want to do that for them. Lol

The idea is to make the muscles fuller. A little subcutaneous water wouldn't hurt either. You know, it's nice to be sculpted if you have big enough muscles, but not if it limits your size to a significant degree.
Of course I would use both orals in a smaller dose, but yes, first I would take sdrol solo, now I take adrol+dbol and I don't see any better effects than adrol alone.
If it's not too much trouble, could you provide this link to tren?

 

[bbxtreme]

The idea is to make the muscles fuller. A little subcutaneous water wouldn't hurt either. You know, it's nice to be sculpted if you have big enough muscles, but not if it limits your size to a significant degree.
Of course I would use both orals in a smaller dose, but yes, first I would take sdrol solo, now I take adrol+dbol and I don't see any better effects than adrol alone.
If it's not too much trouble, could you provide this link to tren?

I still would pick one or the other. I have used a lot of superdrol in my life and am glad I was young when doing so. It’s just a harsh compound. It’s not a matter of “if” it will cause damage, but when. That’s why I only use it in the week prior to a show now to fill out. Anadrol is much safer to use for longer purposes and what you’re trying to do.

When you look at the data and experience of longer anadrol usage (responsibly) you see great gains with minimal side effects. When you look at long term usage of superdrol you find cases of liver damage, failure and death. That’s the most objective answer I can give. Sometimes we all feel the need to try things for ourselves so understand your thinking. Just know the risk.

Here’s the link to my thread:

A Solution to Tren- Understanding Histamine and how to regulate it

I posted about this briefly in my AMA thread, but I figured it was only fair to share with everyone. For years we have been plagued with what many believed to be the non-negotiable side effects of using Tren. The reality is that many of the side effects that individuals experience from Tren...

www.professionalmuscle.com

 

[milijon]

Thanks for the link, I'm going to read it.

I understand what you want to tell me. I'm not a maximalist in this matter (although at the experimenting stage). Before I take something I try to make sure that it won't harm me (sooner or later). I'm also considering using Ment. I know it's a wet compound, but what do you think, in a mass cycle, can using Ment solo (+test base) give such satisfactory gains that using sdrol or even adrol might be unnecessary? (adrol is not wet for me, it doesn't exacerbate gyno on test).

Recently I started doing injections before training (earlier before bed) and I noticed a significant reduction in pain the next day. It seems that increased blood circulation during training absorbs the compound faster and reduces local inflammation.