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Supplements for heart/cardiovascular health

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Seems to be a trend lately with members having issues from either using gear for to long or very high doses and it has me wondering what would be a good supplement regime to help reduce the negative side effects of steroids

So what do you take or suggest to maintain cardiovascular health
 
There's quite a few threads on here that have gone into detail regarding this topic. Check out Dante's thread about his daily thoughts, and use the search function to find more.

One thing I'll say is that put the same level of importance on cardio that you do on these supplements; too many guys neglect cardio when there's many benefits of doing it in the off season, the primary one being health.
 
Seems to be a trend lately with members having issues from either using gear for to long or very high doses and it has me wondering what would be a good supplement regime to help reduce the negative side effects of steroids

So what do you take or suggest to maintain cardiovascular health

I know this has been posted several times before but when it comes to topics like this it is important .i wouldn't mind seeing posts like this all the time .i use fish oil am/krill oil pm
Baby aspirin nightly
Ubiquinol daily
Vit D3 daily
I was taking citrus bergamot,money is a little tight now so I stopped
 
There's quite a few threads on here that have gone into detail regarding this topic. Check out Dante's thread about his daily thoughts, and use the search function to find more.

One thing I'll say is that put the same level of importance on cardio that you do on these supplements; too many guys neglect cardio when there's many benefits of doing it in the off season, the primary one being health.

His stack

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...random-stuff-interests-me-11.html#post2329986
 
It's Broscience but what makes sense to me is vasodilation. Use supplements that improve blood flow.
I really like Citrulline Malate!
Next on my list is 10mg cialis ed
And of course fish oil, coq10 etc... For heart health.
Maybe when Thor gets better he can talk to us about his supplementation?
 
It's Broscience but what makes sense to me is vasodilation. Use supplements that improve blood flow.
I really like Citrulline Malate!
Next on my list is 10mg cialis ed
And of course fish oil, coq10 etc... For heart health.
Maybe when Thor gets better he can talk to us about his supplementation?

Good choice with the citrulline.

Thor talked about his supplements in this thread http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...-after-20-years-juicing-i-got-blood-clot.html

As well as pic of his supplements.

20160513_222515.jpg
 
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I know this has been posted several times before but when it comes to topics like this it is important .i wouldn't mind seeing posts like this all the time .i use fish oil am/krill oil pm
Baby aspirin nightly
Ubiquinol daily
Vit D3 daily
I was taking citrus bergamot,money is a little tight now so I stopped


Wasnt baby aspirin proven to be counterproductive on here a while ago? Potential kindney destroyer..something of that nature?
 
Wasnt baby aspirin proven to be counterproductive on here a while ago? Potential kindney destroyer..something of that nature?
I know ibuprofen is bad for your kidneys,never heard that of baby aspirin .maybe you are confusing the two ?
 
I know ibuprofen is bad for your kidneys,never heard that of baby aspirin .maybe you are confusing the two ?
Acetaminophen is hard on your liver, but I hadn't heard the ibuprofen/kidney association (I read it could create cardiac probs). I'll say this, my wife's brother in law is a pharmacist with back pain, and he's been taking 2400 mg of ibuprofen EVERY DAY for 15 years!
 
I think the big problem here is this:

You can take all the health supplements you want to take.....the bottom line is if you are "abusing" things over here and think health supplements are going to cure any and all woes that might come along with that abuse.....there is not a chance in hell.

Its like smoking 4 packs of cigarettes a day but thinking you wont get lung cancer because you do 30 minutes of cardio a day.

It like drinking a bottle of vodka every day but thinking you will be A OK and never get cirrhosis because you take milk thistle/liv52/tudca

You know what im seeing lately? Im seeing alot of freaking people who never get bloodwork, or if they do get bloodwork its so goddamn awful they dont fix the problem (GET OFF THE ABUSIVE AMOUNTS AND KINDS OF JUICE YOU ARE ON!) and instead think "ill be ok...if it take this supplement"...no you wont be ok because taking an aspirin is not going to cure the headache you get from hitting yourself in the head with a sledgehammer...and thats what alot of guys are doing. We went from never getting bloodwork because they dont want to see the awful news thats going to come and it will screw up the whole "I dont care about anything but being big and looking like this" thought process.......to getting awful bloodwork once in a blue moon/no bloodwork still, but taking these health supplements and thinking everything will be just fine.

I see bloodwork of people sometimes and think to myself "HOLY MOLEY I would be freaking out and scared shiteless if this was my bloodwork"....and then the guy when I tell him what I think he should do.....his answer to me tells me that "he is going to stay on the same compounds at the same amounts but he is going to add these supplements"<----he doesnt tell me that exactly but his answer lets me know thats exactly what he is going to do. Seeing this stuff happen repeatedly it has gotten so freaking frustrating to me.....the little regard people have for their health and the chase of a 1/2 inch THAT MATTERS TO NOBODY BUT THEIR SHALLOW SELF over a hospital bed is bewildering to me.
 
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I think the big problem here is this:

You can take all the health supplements you want to take.....the bottom line is if you are "abusing" things over here and think health supplements are going to cure any and all woes that might come along with that abuse.....there is not a chance in hell.

Its like smoking 4 packs of cigarettes a day but thinking you wont get lung cancer because you do 30 minutes of cardio a day.

It like drinking a bottle of vodka every day but thinking you will be A OK and never get cirrhosis because you take milk thistle/liv52/tudca

You know what im seeing lately? Im seeing alot of freaking people who never get bloodwork, or if they do get bloodwork its so goddamn awful they dont fix the problem (GET OFF THE ABUSIVE AMOUNTS AND KINDS OF JUICE YOU ARE ON!) and instead think "ill be ok...if it take this supplement"...no you wont be ok because taking an aspirin is not going to cure the headache you get from hitting yourself in the head with a sledgehammer...and thats what alot of guys are doing. We went from never getting bloodwork because they dont want to see the awful news thats going to come and it will screw up the whole "I dont care about anything but being big and looking like this" thought process.......to getting awful bloodwork once in a blue moon/no bloodwork still, but taking these health supplements and thinking everything will be just fine.

I see bloodwork of people sometimes and think to myself "HOLY MOLEY I would be freaking out and scared shiteless if this was my bloodwork"....and then the guy when I tell him what I think he should do.....his answer to me tells me that "he is going to stay on the same compounds at the same amounts but he is going to add these supplements"<----he doesnt tell me that exactly but his answer lets me know thats exactly what he is going to do. Seeing this stuff happen repeatedly it has gotten so freaking frustrating to me.....the little regard people have for their health and the chase of a 1/2 inch THAT MATTERS TO NOBODY BUT THEIR SHALLOW SELF over a hospital bed is bewildering to me.

dante when you said you take 1 grain of thyroid in your referenced thread (thank you for being an ambassador of health to the sport) what supplement is that exactly?
 
I think the big problem here is this:

You can take all the health supplements you want to take.....the bottom line is if you are "abusing" things over here and think health supplements are going to cure any and all woes that might come along with that abuse.....there is not a chance in hell.

Its like smoking 4 packs of cigarettes a day but thinking you wont get lung cancer because you do 30 minutes of cardio a day.

It like drinking a bottle of vodka every day but thinking you will be A OK and never get cirrhosis because you take milk thistle/liv52/tudca

You know what im seeing lately? Im seeing alot of freaking people who never get bloodwork, or if they do get bloodwork its so goddamn awful they dont fix the problem (GET OFF THE ABUSIVE AMOUNTS AND KINDS OF JUICE YOU ARE ON!) and instead think "ill be ok...if it take this supplement"...no you wont be ok because taking an aspirin is not going to cure the headache you get from hitting yourself in the head with a sledgehammer...and thats what alot of guys are doing. We went from never getting bloodwork because they dont want to see the awful news thats going to come and it will screw up the whole "I dont care about anything but being big and looking like this" thought process.......to getting awful bloodwork once in a blue moon/no bloodwork still, but taking these health supplements and thinking everything will be just fine.

I see bloodwork of people sometimes and think to myself "HOLY MOLEY I would be freaking out and scared shiteless if this was my bloodwork"....and then the guy when I tell him what I think he should do.....his answer to me tells me that "he is going to stay on the same compounds at the same amounts but he is going to add these supplements"<----he doesnt tell me that exactly but his answer lets me know thats exactly what he is going to do. Seeing this stuff happen repeatedly it has gotten so freaking frustrating to me.....the little regard people have for their health and the chase of a 1/2 inch THAT MATTERS TO NOBODY BUT THEIR SHALLOW SELF over a hospital bed is bewildering to me.

AMEN! NOW HOPEFULLY AT LEAST ONE PERSON LISTENS!
 
It always catch my attention that nobody ever list in their supplements specially for heart health, SELENIUM. Selenium is IMPERATIVE for heart health among multiple other things. Selenium is a peculiar trace mineral involved in antioxidant function, smooth muscle health and many other things. In my opinion most of the supplements people use, with the exception of a few members, come from "popular belief" or word on the street, or locker room talk. Get blood test, is something don't look right step number one is stop using steroids. And stop means not even TRT, that is STILL ANABOLIC STEROIDS. I don't care if you lose 200 pounds and you look like a girl. Health first. Unless health is not first for you but thats your problem. But if you are really worried do what you gotta do.
 
dante when you said you take 1 grain of thyroid in your referenced thread (thank you for being an ambassador of health to the sport) what supplement is that exactly?

Its armour thyroid but I had graves disease and had to take anti thyroid to counteract that for one year which left me hypothyroid...so i have to take one grain of armour thyroid for normal thyroid output
 
I know Dante has talked about super K to reverse plaque and calcifications in arteries/blood vessels. I use it.

I have been doing some research over past several months and considering EDTA Chelation IV infusions, which do same thing and results look amazing in some these studies. It cost a lot of money $200 infusion and you have to do it like 20 weeks.

I looked at some studies and they have EDTA Suppository for Chelation and absorption rate is pretty high instead using IV and paying for infusions .Cost like $100 month instead.

I not saying use this stuff all time. I'm saying if your getting older like myself approaching 40 your going to haves some level of plaque and calcification. Im thinking maybe jump start a new healthier way of life by doing EDTA chelation? ANY THOUGHTS:confused:



DTA Chelation therapy and Cardiovascular issues

The two articles summarized below containing data derived by meta-analysis of all available published studies, with added analysis of unpublished studies, using EDTA chelation therapy. They show a very consistent and high level of benefit in more than 85% of patients

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FIRST META-ANALYSIS PAPER:

The Correlation Between EDTA Chelation Therapy and Improvement in Cardiovascular Function: A Meta-Analysis

L. Terry Chappell, MD

John P. Stahl, PhD

ABSTRACT: In order to establish whether there is value in treating cardiovascular disease with intravenous EDTA chelation therapy, a meta-analysis was done, based on currently available scientific literature. A thorough literature search identified 40 articles on the subject. Nineteen studies met the criteria for inclusion with data on 22,765 patients. The meta-analysis revealed a statistical correlation coefficient of 0.88, which indicates a high positive relationship between EDTA therapy and improved cardiovascular function. Eighty-seven per cent of the patients included in the meta-analysis demonstrated clinical improvement by objective before-and-after testing.

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SECOND META-ANALYSIS PAPER:

EDTA Chelation Treatment for Vascular Disease: A Meta-Analysis Using Unpublished Data

L. Terry Chappell, MD

John P. Stahl, PhD

Ronald Evans, MA

ABSTRACT: The authors previously reported the results of a meta-analysis on the correlation between EDTA therapy and improvement in cardiovascular function where only published data were used in the analysis. Many analysts suggest that using exclusively published data in a meta-analysis leads to a lowered confidence level in the results because of the possibility of publication bias. In order to improve the confidence level if possible in the results of their original paper the authors repeated the study using unpublished data. Unpublished “file drawer” data were collected from 32 clinicians who utilize intravenous EDTA with essentially the same protocol as was used in the original study. Various objective measurements demonstrated improvement in 1086 or 88% of the 1241 patients reported with an overall statistical correlation coefficient of 0.88. A comparison of the studies using unpublished data with published data shows that the results are essentially the same. These data provide additional confidence of the effectiveness of EDTA treatment.
 
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Effect of Disodium EDTA Chelation Regimen on Cardiovascular Events in Patients With Previous Myocardial Infarction
March 27, 2013, Vol 309, No. 12 >

The TACT Randomized Trial
Gervasio A. Lamas, MD; Christine Goertz, DC, PhD; Robin Boineau, MD, MA; Daniel B. Mark, MD, MPH; Theodore Rozema, MD; Richard L. Nahin, PhD, MPH; Lauren Lindblad, MS; Eldrin F. Lewis, MD, MPH; Jeanne Drisko, MD; Kerry L. Lee, PhD ; for the TACT Investigators
[+] Author Affiliations
JAMA. 2013;309(12):1241-1250. doi:10.1001/jama.2013.2107.
ABSTRACT
ABSTRACT | METHODS | RESULTS | COMMENT | CONCLUSION | ARTICLE INFORMATION | REFERENCES

Importance Chelation therapy with disodium EDTA has been used for more than 50 years to treat atherosclerosis without proof of efficacy.

Objective To determine if an EDTA-based chelation regimen reduces cardiovascular events.

Design, Setting, and Participants Double-blind, placebo-controlled, 2 × 2 factorial randomized trial enrolling 1708 patients aged 50 years or older who had experienced a myocardial infarction (MI) at least 6 weeks prior and had serum creatinine levels of 2.0 mg/dL or less. Participants were recruited at 134 US and Canadian sites. Enrollment began in September 2003 and follow-up took place until October 2011 (median, 55 months). Two hundred eighty-nine patients (17% of total; n=115 in the EDTA group and n=174 in the placebo group) withdrew consent during the trial.

Interventions Patients were randomized to receive 40 infusions of a 500-mL chelation solution (3 g of disodium EDTA, 7 g of ascorbate, B vitamins, electrolytes, procaine, and heparin) (n=839) vs placebo (n=869) and an oral vitamin-mineral regimen vs an oral placebo. Infusions were administered weekly for 30 weeks, followed by 10 infusions 2 to 8 weeks apart. Fifteen percent discontinued infusions (n=38 [16%] in the chelation group and n=41 [15%] in the placebo group) because of adverse events.

Main Outcome Measures The prespecified primary end point was a composite of total mortality, recurrent MI, stroke, coronary revascularization, or hospitalization for angina. This report describes the intention-to-treat comparison of EDTA chelation vs placebo. To account for multiple interim analyses, the significance threshold required at the final analysis was P = .036.

Results Qualifying previous MIs occurred a median of 4.6 years before enrollment. Median age was 65 years, 18% were female, 9% were nonwhite, and 31% were diabetic. The primary end point occurred in 222 (26%) of the chelation group and 261 (30%) of the placebo group (hazard ratio
, 0.82 [95% CI, 0.69-0.99]; P = .035). There was no effect on total mortality (chelation: 87 deaths [10%]; placebo, 93 deaths [11%]; HR, 0.93 [95% CI, 0.70-1.25]; P = .64), but the study was not powered for this comparison. The effect of EDTA chelation on the components of the primary end point other than death was of similar magnitude as its overall effect (MI: chelation, 6%; placebo, 8%; HR, 0.77 [95% CI, 0.54-1.11]; stroke: chelation, 1.2%; placebo, 1.5%; HR, 0.77 [95% CI, 0.34-1.76]; coronary revascularization: chelation, 15%; placebo, 18%; HR, 0.81 [95% CI, 0.64-1.02]; hospitalization for angina: chelation, 1.6%; placebo, 2.1%; HR, 0.72 [95% CI, 0.35-1.47]). Sensitivity analyses examining the effect of patient dropout and treatment adherence did not alter the results.

Conclusions and Relevance Among stable patients with a history of MI, use of an intravenous chelation regimen with disodium EDTA, compared with placebo, modestly reduced the risk of adverse cardiovascular outcomes, many of which were revascularization procedures. These results provide evidence to guide further research but are not sufficient to support the routine use of chelation therapy for treatment of patients who have had an MI.
 
Its armour thyroid but I had graves disease and had to take anti thyroid to counteract that for one year which left me hypothyroid...so i have to take one grain of armour thyroid for normal thyroid output

I was 2 grain down t 1 grain. I want be off all thyroid meds if I can be. sometimes I get heart palpitations and I think its the thyroid meds. Over last 3 years my armout thyroid dosage getting lower and lower because my levels coming back high now although keep lowering it accordingly.
 
It always catch my attention that nobody ever list in their supplements specially for heart health, SELENIUM. Selenium is IMPERATIVE for heart health among multiple other things. Selenium is a peculiar trace mineral involved in antioxidant function, smooth muscle health and many other things. In my opinion most of the supplements people use, with the exception of a few members, come from "popular belief" or word on the street, or locker room talk. Get blood test, is something don't look right step number one is stop using steroids. And stop means not even TRT, that is STILL ANABOLIC STEROIDS. I don't care if you lose 200 pounds and you look like a girl. Health first. Unless health is not first for you but thats your problem. But if you are really worried do what you gotta do.

Selenium also improved absorption of Ubiquinol. However, I remember reading negative things about it too.
 

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