Primo and hgh and peptides are still considered not natural if your using them. They are exogenous man made derivatives of real human hormones and analogs. Just because you buy it over the counter dosnt automatically make it natural either.I think most guys/gals would agree with this. It's all or nothing. Natural means what you are born with I believe. Good food and a proper exercise regimine. But that's so fucking boring lol. Best of luck to your "FRIENDS" lol plight