Supplements you can't buy cheap online

[Allday]

Come on bro, door-to-door with flyers is where the BIG money is at!!!!!!!!!!

hahahaha, I have the phone book and newspaper people constantly trying to get me to advertise with them. I haven't in 10 yrs and never will. Granted my population is older, let's be honest, they're dying off, so I need the younger people. Facebook has been amazing for me, and I don't pay a dime!

I have my business page and share content with friends and it's public, so a lot of people see it. I THRIVE from referrals, do NOT really want walk ins at all! They are the one time policy shoppers that are gone at the renewal. So the $60 I make from commission is really $25 once everything is accounted for...not worth it.
A referral averages about $150+/yr on commission and as long as they stay (referrals typically stay minimum 3 yrs) it's great. Then they refer people and so on. Facebook has been a big help there honestly

Haha it still surprises me how many people think that stuff still works. Or at least that it should be a focus of their marketing efforts.

But with referrals though, can't agree more. Referrals are killer for so many reasons and they will always work. From what you've said, I'm sure you know it all too well, but referrals are free (unless you offer referrer discounts which is usually not a big loss) plus pretty much a guaranteed sale because people trust who they know better than any stranger review. And true Facebook is one of the best for referral networks online given that it's a network of people you generally know, rather than a place that you can be anonymous on.

 

[cashrolling]

Yea, checked them out actually. Would have posted, but I know nothing about them either. Never heard of them before you posted actually.

I did a lot of research and can't find anything about them, not good or bad, which is a good thing. I called them and sounds professional, I placed an order and they sent me the bank info for transfer, name on account is same as website, and found their business licence online from 8 years ago up till now. I'm gonna Gamble and try, if it goes thru I double my earnings, worst case I loose 2 thousand dollars....

 

[Thebigone]

QUOTE=Blitz-Test;2472499]Not sure where you got this information, literally every supplement company buys bulk powder, mixes it and throws a fancy label on.

Supplements are not regulated. Literally all you have to do to protect yourself is put a disclaimer saying your claims have not been validated by the FDA.

Thats total bullshit. 99.5% of supplement companies are marketing companies who dont go near the making of their own supplements. They hire custom manufacturers like myself to make their products for them. Supplements arent regulated? Ever have an FDA visit? Takes a week sometimes of pouring thru batch records and MMR's and third party testing procedures. The ONLY and I mean ONLY people not getting FDA visits are people who are making supplements in their 'garage' illegally and trying to fly under the radar. If you are a legit manufacturer the FDA visits your facility and goes thru everything with a fine tooth comb. Ive been thru 6 of these already. It takes a stack of paper about 4 inches high now to make a certain supplement and {again if you are legitimate and not a small time shyster} every single ingredient that comes into your facility has to be quarantined and then sent out for 3rd party testing for potency / identity / purity...before it is allowed into the general inventory. It then has to be checked and double checked by various supervisors thru the whole manufacturing process. And then tested 1-2x again (especially the end product has to be sent out again to be tested before it is allowed for sale)....this whole chain of events including all your SOP's have to be shown to the FDA during their tour of your facility....For the FDA I have three full time highly trained quality assurance people working for me just for the mountain of paperwork and 3rd party testing purposes....so I have no idea in heck where you are getting your information. The FDA sure as hell dont pat you on the back and say "great job"....they are a regulatory agency that always is looking for you doing something wrong.[/QUOTE]

Dante could you PM me your # and/or email about the resale you offer? Thank you.

 

[11111]

I did a lot of research and can't find anything about them, not good or bad, which is a good thing. I called them and sounds professional, I placed an order and they sent me the bank info for transfer, name on account is same as website, and found their business licence online from 8 years ago up till now. I'm gonna Gamble and try, if it goes thru I double my earnings, worst case I loose 2 thousand dollars....

please let us know how the g4 site works out. those prices are quite nice..

 

[nothuman]

Here is the problem. It is the reason you are seeing Europa and GNC going downhill. I think Europa has receded by 25% and I think I saw GNC has lost 33% of its value in the last year. Bodybuilding.com just let go of something like 15% of its workforce and its not doing well either. When you sell direct to consumer you can make a healthy profit margin. What these entities did for a long time was really rake companies over the coals to get into distribution and you would make a product for 20 bucks and have to sell them to these distributors for 24 dollars to "get popular" and into distribrution....on top of that they would expect you to spend a grip on advertising (dont even get me talking about free fill etc etc etc)....so a few things have happened.

a) Shysters came into the supplement industry and ruined its reputation by amino spiking and selling bunk ingredients and junk....so these guys ruined the supplement industry in the last few years
b) Amazon has taken over and supplement companies are now backlashing at these supplement distributors for raking them over the coals for little profits...Amazon is kicking these guys asses (and also the brick and mortar store)

I set up TN in 2003 to buy direct from the dairies or their packaging mediaries or the source manufacturer itself....which is unlike virtually everyone else in this business....we are the ultra rare supplement company that is the custom manufacturer of their own products..... in addition to that......its hilarious to hear all these other companies of late say "and we are 3rd party tested"...LOLOL REALLY? YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT THE WHOLE TIME!!! Its your job! Its a great catch phrase of late for these companies and we have been doing it for so many years we forgot about it because we thought everyone was doing it back years ago....but it looks like virtually nobody but we were.....we have been testing since day one. Anyway I digress......that costs a boatload of money...a huge amount of money....especially when you have a massive inventory. I try to stay out of these things but there is a site that is lauded on pro muscle many times I have to bite my tongue on every time its mentioned (nonhuman just touted them in one of his posts)....the owner of that company has been thru the mill with fraud/arrests/lawsuits its too long to even name.....yet he has a supplement company that EVERYONE knows he is not testing the supplements because it would be astronomical the cost of testing all the ingredients he carries....it couldnt be done....so the testing costs a great deal of money. So here is a learning experience for you guys....if there is say a fat burner with like 13 ingredients in it...every one of those 13 ingredients need to be tested by a third party lab individually and then at the end when the product is completed. Alot of these tests run 150-300 dollars...so right there not even counting the bottle/top/label/advertising/capsules/ingredient cost/manufacturing cost/labor....that guy is looking at 1000's and 1000's of dollars JUST in the testing of that product before it is put together and then again after its manufactured.
So to get back to your point Thebigone....when we run a 10% sale...its a huge deal in my company because our profit margins are much slimmer than others profit margins. Every supplement company that has become multi millionaire companies what did they make their millions on?
Capsules! You make a capsule product for 13 bucks and sell it for 49.95 to 64.95 and make a grip of money. Think Gaspari ....when he was selling 90 million in sales a year was it from Myofusion? No halodrol and novedex and products like that made him millions. IForce when they were going strong....what were they selling? Pro hormones = capsules. BSN was innovative with coming out with pre workout NO products and they captured the market with that and made huge profits but by and large any other company that has become massive in profits had some kind of small capsulized product that they made millions on........so with that long diatribe i get to my point.

My profit margin is small. I really cannot wholesale heavy powder products to you under the TN name. I mean if you were moving large volume yea i probably could try to work something out but I cant knock off huge percentages to a mom and pop store....its not in the profit margin. Thats why this whole supplement industry is upside down. I sell a legitimate tested Isolate on my site and it is a legitimate tested isolate and you can see the lab assay right underneath the heading if you hit the green tab. Meanwhile this place over there will sell a "100% whey protien" and get near my price but its 25% isolate and 25% concentrate and the rest is sugar/dairy creamer and sawdust and because they manufactured it for much less than I did they can give you a great cut over to you wholesale. So we can talk about this some more if you want or another option is to make your own house brand and push it heavily in your stores which i can do with ease...but again this comes with minimums.....i have to make at least 500 jugs of one size and one flavor of proteins to account for all the paperwork and labor my employees have to do for the FDA. The FDA has absolutely destroyed the small time entrepeneur...its sucks....in the old days i could make you 6 jugs of cho 6 jugs of strawberry 6 jugs of vanilla etc etc and we could increase as you see fit and how sales go....nowadays? no way in heck...not with all the new regulations....most custom manufacturers their minimums are 5000 jugs of one size and one flavor.....ill do 500.... but again the cost is usually too much for the smalltime entrepenuer to get into the game...thats why virtually everyone who does what you do goes with Europa or Lonestar to stock their store

I take it back. Stay away from Nutricost fellas

 

[nothuman]

I take it back. Stay away from Nutricost fellas

Correction: i meant bulk supplements. Not Nutricost

 

[Allday]

Correction: i meant bulk supplements. Not Nutricost

Good to know. Guessing that not everything is 100% on point, but bulk supplements has had a number of their products tested via lab door and all of them have come up amongst the top of the list in label accuracy and actually containing the listed ingredients.

 

[nothuman]

Good to know. Guessing that not everything is 100% on point, but bulk supplements has had a number of their products tested via lab door and all of them have come up amongst the top of the list in label accuracy and actually containing the listed ingredients.

That's good to know. For what it's worth, the powders I have used from them taste the exact way they are supposed to (HMB, beta alanine, glutamine, n-acetyl carnitine, etc. It's just the guy behind the company got in a lot of trouble or doing bad stuff. But hey, if the stuff is legit...

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Good to know. Guessing that not everything is 100% on point, but bulk supplements has had a number of their products tested via lab door and all of them have come up amongst the top of the list in label accuracy and actually containing the listed ingredients.

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=163326311

That is a really wierd response to amino spiking

 

[nothuman]

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=163326311

That is a really wierd response to amino spiking

"*Label accuracy matters to us, but active ingredients are what drive LabDoor's rankings the most. A supplement that claims 30g of protein and delivers 25g will beat one that claims 20g of protein and delivers 20g."

Wtf

 

[Thebigone]

Fuck it I'm an LLC. I should just make my own dick pills with tribulus and all that other worthless crap but add some Cialis powder to it. Maybe some proviron to a test booster . Wait until(if) I get caught and then just file BK on the LLC

 

[Allday]

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=163326311

That is a really wierd response to amino spiking

Wasn't that from over two years ago? My response was based off these tests:
https://labdoor.com/review/bulk-supplements-branch-chain-amino-acids-bcaa-2-1-1
https://labdoor.com/review/bulk-supplements-creatine-monohydrate
https://labdoor.com/review/bulk-supplements-glutamine
https://labdoor.com/review/bulk-supplements-green-tea-extract
https://labdoor.com/review/bulk-supplements-pure-vitamin-b6
https://labdoor.com/review/bulk-supplements-vitamin-c
https://labdoor.com/review/bulk-supplements-pure-coenzyme-q10

All amongst the top tested in accuracy. Are you saying these tests are inaccurate? I'm sorry I'm just confused as to why it was a really weird response.

 

[Allday]

That's good to know. For what it's worth, the powders I have used from them taste the exact way they are supposed to (HMB, beta alanine, glutamine, n-acetyl carnitine, etc. It's just the guy behind the company got in a lot of trouble or doing bad stuff. But hey, if the stuff is legit...

Yea I feel the same way with what I've gotten from them too. I'll always trust a supp company who is ran by someone who has always come across as trustworthy and reputable (why I've bought more True Nutrition products and any other supplement company's over the years) but I do hold labdoor's rankings in high regards because they are a third party tester and don't accept any compensation from companies for the tests and their test results are the only reason why I've felt like I was actually getting what the label claimed.

 

[Allday]

Fuck it I'm an LLC. I should just make my own dick pills with tribulus and all that other worthless crap but add some Cialis powder to it. Maybe some proviron to a test booster . Wait until(if) I get caught and then just file BK on the LLC

Haha I know you're joking but do you ever listen to JRE back when Redban used to be a part of it? He was convinced that the boner pills sold at gas stations did exactly that. Except he said that some of them worked better than any viagra or cialis he ever took.

 

[nothuman]

Yea I feel the same way with what I've gotten from them too. I'll always trust a supp company who is ran by someone who has always come across as trustworthy and reputable (why I've bought more True Nutrition products and any other supplement company's over the years) but I do hold labdoor's rankings in high regards because they are a third party tester and don't accept any compensation from companies for the tests and their test results are the only reason why I've felt like I was actually getting what the label claimed.

I normally use TN too but they don't have certain things I also like to use like D-Ribose so I have to go elsewhere for something like that.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Yea I feel the same way with what I've gotten from them too. I'll always trust a supp company who is ran by someone who has always come across as trustworthy and reputable (why I've bought more True Nutrition products and any other supplement company's over the years) but I do hold labdoor's rankings in high regards because they are a third party tester and don't accept any compensation from companies for the tests and their test results are the only reason why I've felt like I was actually getting what the label claimed.

Ive bought some stuff off of him (red beet powder) I hope its real too. But man that guy has a sketchy past like no tommorow filled with fraud/lawsuits/hiding out in canada/scams.....its freaking bad. The problem I have is the math doesnt add up in some of the cases of sales profit vs testing procedures. I worry about someone who is selling the human hair version of bcaa's because its cheaper than the fermented vegan version of BCAA's and therefore a bigger profit. If you are willing to do that....then what other corners are you willing to cut?

 

[Big A]

Who are the main online players (international and just US) that sell every brand of supp out there? Like bodybuilding.com.

 

[NY Muscle]

I agree with everyone, don't do a brick and motor store. If anything do it all online. The only small local supplement stores that I know of that stay in business are ones that also do a lot of their business selling online and just have a little small storefront that people know by word of mouth or drive by.

And even then I'm not sure if I would do it if anything you should think about looking into private labeling you can do very well if you put a ton of money into marketing online; Instagram, FB, BB forums etc.. that's really where you can make some money, by getting these guys and girls in the gym and sharing pictures of your products online etc.

There's so many companies that are sold on bodybuilding.com and all over the Internet and various bodybuilding related chat forms where those guys literally put labels on the bottles in their own kitchen.

Gives their brand the attention it looking for. It all comes down to marketing it almost has nothing to do with what you're selling but how you're selling it.

I own a Ketogenic supplements brand and because it's not a full-time career, when I choose too I'm able to offer prices that no one else is really going to do because it would make no sense for them to sell it for the price that I sell for because they would not be making a lot of money. Like I said it's not where I make my money from, my main source of income is real estate...my supplements stuff is my passion and is something that I really enjoy to do on the side.

If you have the money to put into marketing then look into some of the stuff I'm telling you about and then put up a Shopify site and then get yourself on amazon.com. And if you have a niche market then you can do well.

Just a thought.

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[jrodri16]

I made a post about it but got not many replies, I found this super cheap wholesaler online, minimum order 100 items. It's called g4supplements, nobody know bout them? I'm so tempted to order for my store, but I'm afraid it's a scam.

[lang=es]Actually g4supplements is a scam, I was so tempted to order, but I research in many places and in one of them I found a relation with another website called s1-supplements that has a similar logo and in Alibaba I found someone advising not to deal with them because they were non-delivery scam, the one who advised said that he made the payment and never got the goods, and s1-supplements website is now dead. But I continued researching and I found a page that said g4supplements was from Canadá but the real owner was hiding his address, and in another website i found a list of active scam sites and there was g4supplements.com

I thought they were real bro, I was so excited to have found them because I'm traying to run a Supps business but sadly g4supplements is a scam :banghead:[/lang]