T3 with Test

[monstaa]

dont take it if not needed

 

[KingOfSushi]

dont take it if not needed

What qualifies as needed

 

[Neuro1234]

Totally fair — and I respect the clarification.

Again, not saying 25mcg of T3 guarantees muscle loss. But the catabolic potential of exogenous T3 in calorie-restricted athletes has been documented.

For example:
• Stallknecht et al. (1999) – Increased T3 levels were linked to greater nitrogen excretion in endurance athletes.
• Rasmussen et al. (1989) – T3 administration raised protein turnover and muscle breakdown markers.
• Larsen et al. (2004) – Showed skeletal muscle catabolism in T3-supplemented caloric deficit states.
(These are just a few among others.)

So again, the point isn’t “don’t use T3” — it’s understand the context and manage it smart, especially for bodybuilders running PEDs and cutting.

Appreciate the exchange — this is where real learning happens.

Could you post the actual literature by links. What I'm pulling up doesn't denote whats being described.

Still waiting on these links.

 

[Stewie]

Still waiting on these links.

Same here.

 

[KingOfSushi]

Still waiting on these links.

Same here.

He’s seen it in his athletes (and it has nothing to do with his coaching)

 

[monstaa]

What qualifies as needed

if its not in range on blood work

 

[Mufasa123]

if its not in range on blood work

I know you are trying to get your post count up to access other areas of the board. I forget the fairly low number threshold (25?) but from what mods have said, it's not automated and that's to discourage a bunch of shotgun short posts on anything. They want to see 25(?) quality posts with real contribution or discussion to ensure access is granted to actual members who have and plan to continue contributing.

No dog in this fight/race. I had a few hundred posts before I even realized as I didn't come here for that. But I saw you say it and I don't think anyone has shared that facet with you but it's been posted plenty over the past few years. So if you have plenty of posts but no access - this is likely why.

 

[monstaa]

I know you are trying to get your post count up to access other areas of the board. I forget the fairly low number threshold (25?) but from what mods have said, it's not automated and that's to discourage a bunch of shotgun short posts on anything. They want to see 25(?) quality posts with real contribution or discussion to ensure access is granted to actual members who have and plan to continue contributing.

No dog in this fight/race. I had a few hundred posts before I even realized as I didn't come here for that. But I saw you say it and I don't think anyone has shared that facet with you but it's been posted plenty over the past few years. So if you have plenty of posts but no access - this is likely why.

i have no clue what you yappin about i gave him a valid answer

 

[Stewie]

if its not in range on blood work

Given this premise. Should someone not take, metformin, GLP-1RA-GIP, SGLT-2i, if they're not diabetic or in CKD or HF? Their blood work indicates no presence of morbidity. How about testosterone if someone isn't hypogonadal. What if someones GH/IGF-1 comes back normal on blood work. Should they not take GH? The list goes on-and-on.

Genuine question.

 

[Bobik]

Given this premise. Should someone not take, metformin, GLP-1RA-GIP, SGLT-2i, if they're not diabetic or in CKD or HF? Their blood work indicates no presence of morbidity. How about testosterone if someone isn't hypogonadal. What if someones GH/IGF-1 comes back normal on blood work. Should they not take GH? The list goes on-and-on.

Genuine question.

Agreement.. Speaking of Metformin - What is your view on its use in terms of health benefits? I know, I've read a lot about Metformin here, but just your perspective. Thanks

 

[monstaa]

Given this premise. Should someone not take, metformin, GLP-1RA-GIP, SGLT-2i, if they're not diabetic or in CKD or HF? Their blood work indicates no presence of morbidity. How about testosterone if someone isn't hypogonadal. What if someones GH/IGF-1 comes back normal on blood work. Should they not take GH? The list goes on-and-on.

Genuine question.

did i say for any of those other compounds? every compound is different and used for different reasons i wouldn't use blood work to decide how much gh to take thats just pointless

his question was about t3 so im strictly talking about t3

 

[qbkilla]

Agreement.. Speaking of Metformin - What is your view on its use in terms of health benefits? I know, I've read a lot about Metformin here, but just your perspective. Thanks

Also would be interested. I see people mention GLP’s for insulin sensitivity...but we already have a proven drug specifically for this without the sides.

 

[Stewie]

Agreement.. Speaking of Metformin - What is your view on its use in terms of health benefits? I know, I've read a lot about Metformin here, but just your perspective. Thanks

My mind hasn't changed much over the years. I particularly don't take it anymore. May possibly reintroduced it in the near future. I feel it has it's place on activation of AMPK that helps reduce systematic inflammation, limiting ROS in turn putting the brakes on cytokines overexpression, and last but not least, improvements of insulin sensitivity. All hallmarks of supporting cellular function, theoretically modulating the aging process.

The fad-fans have jumped on the GLP-1RA and the combos that have pushed metformin to the side. To each their own.

 

[BLKGUY2006]

Love reading everyone’s thoughts on this. 25mcg of T3 in morning and 40 clen few hours before training did good for me with no muscle loss with only 200 mg test. Scale and look changed for sure.

 

[yellowbird1]

Also would be interested. I see people mention GLP’s for insulin sensitivity...but we already have a proven drug specifically for this without the sides.

Glp1s have been in use for 20 years. How is that not long enough to be proven?

 

[yellowbird1]

Glp1s have been in use for 20 years. How is that not long enough to be proven?

Forgot to say metformin has side effects as well. I found for myself I just had to learn to manage glp-1 side effects. I only got constipation. I never got nausea. If I overate I got gassy and sulphur burps but that's more annoying for overeating than a side effect that would cause me to consider discontinuation

 

[qbkilla]

Forgot to say metformin has side effects as well. I found for myself I just had to learn to manage glp-1 side effects. I only got constipation. I never got nausea. If I overate I got gassy and sulphur burps but that's more annoying for overeating than a side effect that would cause me to consider discontinuation

What was your reason for using GLP’s? I'm operating under the assumption we all track our calories and stick to what we are suppose to be eating (disciplined). In that case metformin or berberine can be utilized to enhance insurance sensitivity on high carb diets or when using gh.

 

[yellowbird1]

What was your reason for using GLP’s? I'm operating under the assumption we all track our calories and stick to what we are suppose to be eating (disciplined). In that case metformin or berberine can be utilized to enhance insurance sensitivity on high carb diets or when using gh.

This was before I was into fitness like I am now. I was a 300 lb fat ass and wanted to change. my doctor suggested mounjaro. This was back in November of 22 so it was pretty new and there was a coupon for $25/month even without insurance approval. I just did it in steps from there. The medicine hit me like a wall. Just almost instantly full, no thinking about food, alcohol tasted horrible, food stopped giving me enjoyment. It was perfect but I knew I needed the fitness too. Got an elliptical and started using it almost daily. Then got some various weight kettlebells, then some adjustable kettlebell from beela of steel, an adjustable weight club, and started watching mark wildman videos and doing programs from kbomg. I got the rapid fatloss handbook and guide to flexible dieting from Lyle McDonald and then the weight really started to fall off because I finally understood calories, macros, and dieting since I had been told me while kids that I can't eat too little it I'll go into "starvation mode" and stop losing. Where the fuck did that come from by the way. Such BS. It progressed to weightlifting from there, trying to get ripped, learning while trying to get my wife pregnant that I had low test and low sperm count, started trt, then HCG and it worked. From there I started getting into gear and got a coach

 

[qbkilla]

This was before I was into fitness like I am now. I was a 300 lb fat ass and wanted to change. my doctor suggested mounjaro. This was back in November of 22 so it was pretty new and there was a coupon for $25/month even without insurance approval. I just did it in steps from there. The medicine hit me like a wall. Just almost instantly full, no thinking about food, alcohol tasted horrible, food stopped giving me enjoyment. It was perfect but I knew I needed the fitness too. Got an elliptical and started using it almost daily. Then got some various weight kettlebells, then some adjustable kettlebell from beela of steel, an adjustable weight club, and started watching mark wildman videos and doing programs from kbomg. I got the rapid fatloss handbook and guide to flexible dieting from Lyle McDonald and then the weight really started to fall off because I finally understood calories, macros, and dieting since I had been told me while kids that I can't eat too little it I'll go into "starvation mode" and stop losing. Where the fuck did that come from by the way. Such BS. It progressed to weightlifting from there, trying to get ripped, learning while trying to get my wife pregnant that I had low test and low sperm count, started trt, then HCG and it worked. From there I started getting into gear and got a coach

Sounds to me like the basics and your dedication resulted in change vs the drug. From what I've seen most just use it as the bloat pill, aka physical discomfort (punishment) for abusing food. But either way props on your progress...proper eating and physical activity are always a winning combo!

 

[yellowbird1]

Sounds to me like the basics and your dedication resulted in change vs the drug. From what I've seen most just use it as the bloat pill, aka physical discomfort (punishment) for abusing food. But either way props on your progress...proper eating and physical activity are always a winning combo!

Yeah man. My wife and sons is her family decided to try tirzepatide because of my progress and in two years she only lost maybe 15-20 lbs and I told her it's because she never did anything but inject the compound. Her family didn't see too much on progress either. I have a set account of calories per day, log every single thing I eat, mostly eat only protein, do cardio at least 4x a week lift weights 3-4x per week. You gotta do all those things too. The injection helps to keep the hunger pangs away and even seems to make food not quite as pleasurable but if that's all you do to lose weight you may lose it but you'll be flabby or skinny fat. You don't just want to lose weight. You want to lose fat and keep or at least try and gain muscle too. It's a definitely a lifestyle shift. I had to figure out how to view food simply as something I need to survive and build muscle and not as a daily event of something new and tasty to overindulge on. She hasn't figured that out for herself yet.