Test and EQ cycle

[Mufasa123]

You need to give eq a run. Deca was my favorite steroid for baby years but now I favor eq over Deca but they compliment each other nicely. I tried eq several times when I was younger when it was dosed 50mg per ml and 3-400 a week was all I fed and it didn’t do shit. Fast forward a few decades and I tried 1200 a week and it hooked me. Shiny skin bright eyes appetite increase, firehose veins, indurance up the ass and no noticeable side effects. It did thicken my blood but I felt fine. I love it. The more the better

I know. It's on the list. Really tried before but issue for me is it's E2 properties. I need to run at least 1g of test for every 600mg of equipoise or 5:3 ratio. I also have issues with rbc/crit (I can manage it but not ideal). Was hoping to use it as part of a test/equi cruise protocol but that's out the window.

I do love the reputation for low sides, easy on bloods (ex crit), feel good, endurance and energy reputation. I'll get there for sure - I'm sitting on a healthy stash of it and I almost always find a way. Been at this since the early/mid 90s and never ran it.

I figure it's coming and as I want to run a higher test cycle too, a test/equip cycle nails them both! Maybe this winter like Oct/Nov to March.

 

[Alzadosghost]

I even did a cycle of eq only once and it was a decent cycle. 1500mg a week eq and tbol. Felt fine with out any test too.

 

[scum93]

front loading eq is tempting however consistently results in anxiety in my case.

i ran a lot of low test cycles like the one in the OP and barely put on any muscle to show for it.

i would reconcider the entire 'cycle' tbh

maybe look at something tried and true such as test deca eq

 

[Mufasa123]

I even did a cycle of eq only once and it was a decent cycle. 1500mg a week eq and tbol. Felt fine with out any test too.

I wish. I've crashed E2 before but nothing like what equipoise did. I was crippled. Back pain (bad), elbows, shoulders, knees. I can run winstrol no issue too. Nothing has ever done what Equi did. But I'm committed. Feeling good, energy, endurance, less water and good esthetics sounds great to me.

 

[Doitagain]

I wish. I've crashed E2 before but nothing like what equipoise did. I was crippled. Back pain (bad), elbows, shoulders, knees. I can run winstrol no issue too. Nothing has ever done what Equi did. But I'm committed. Feeling good, energy, endurance, less water and good esthetics sounds great to me.

It's good stuff as long as Test is high enough to provide a reasonable E2 level. Also allows you to run a very decent dose of T without water retention and gyno even with no AI at all. Gives you a denser, fuller and more pleasant look for sure.
I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of those who didn't gain shit with EQ in terms of size and experienced anxiety drove their E2 absurdly low.

 

[luki7788]

love EQ higest I ever run 2500mg with 1500mg test

 

[JJT]

No AI. Never used them while taking eq. No need when using eq it lowers estrogen a lot when I use it. Does for me anyway. 750-1000 test and 1200-2000 mg of eq a week.

Curious are you normally a low aromatizer? how much AI would you normally need on 1g test only?

 

[Alzadosghost]

Curious are you normally a low aromatizer? how much AI would you normally need on 1g test only?

No idea ask luki

 

[luki7788]

No idea ask luki

 

[dany23x]

love EQ higest I ever run 2500mg with 1500mg test

you use AI with this ratio?

 

[luki7788]

you use AI with this ratio?

yes

 

[A50#]

I am gonna go with Deca. My body responds well to it and I have never used EQ. Thank you for all of this information.

Man I loved Deca for the longest but last few times turned me into a depressed psycho. EQ even in larger amounts (1200mg wk) just never done much for me.

 

[Mufasa123]

Man I loved Deca for the longest but last few times turned me into a depressed psycho. EQ even in larger amounts (1200mg wk) just never done much for me.

I read this plus others and hope to God it doesn't happen to me. Deca has been a staple on blasts/cruises and even just a tad for joint since I started. It's been damn good to me and I'm seriously thankful (50 now). I heal like a mini wolverine and any sign of potential tendinitis disappears in a week at most. It's like my CLP (clean lube protect) spray all in one...plus strength and muscle.

 

[bigbumpkin2003]

I read this plus others and hope to God it doesn't happen to me. Deca has been a staple on blasts/cruises and even just a tad for joint since I started. It's been damn good to me and I'm seriously thankful (50 now). I heal like a mini wolverine and any sign of potential tendinitis disappears in a week at most. It's like my CLP (clean lube protect) spray all in one...plus strength and muscle.

Deca gave me horrible Deca dick!! Double dosed Viagra just to get a boner

 

[control]

I was taking 300 test, but I just got bloodwork back and my estradiol was 16, so now I'm going to raise the test. EQ lowered my estradiol more than masteron and my lipids improved quite a bit, so I'm stoked about that. I plan on sticking with test/EQ for a long time

Update: EQ gives me horrible anxiety/depression now, I can't take it anymore.

Interestingly, I'm taking tren for the first time and I feel GREAT mentally. Best I've felt in years.

 

[A50#]

I read this plus others and hope to God it doesn't happen to me. Deca has been a staple on blasts/cruises and even just a tad for joint since I started. It's been damn good to me and I'm seriously thankful (50 now). I heal like a mini wolverine and any sign of potential tendinitis disappears in a week at most. It's like my CLP (clean lube protect) spray all in one...plus strength and muscle.

I absolutely loved Deca. Strength increases almost every training session. Joints felt incredible. Nice lean mass gains and my libido was always increased, never experienced Deca dick either. Last few times I used it though by week 3-4 I started feeling this funk that just progressively got worse. Depression and anxiety like I never experienced before. I'd be in the gym thinking like ' I wish I wasn't here, I think I'm done with bodybuilding '. I absolutely love and live this sport, thoughts like that just aren't me. All my happy places became dark places. Even started to effect my family relationships. Took me several weeks to recover after coming off too. After doing some research and talking to respectful people I know in the sport, I found I wasn't the only one who had experienced this. I can't confirm this and it's only my opinion but it seems like it happens more with older, aging athletes.

 

[dieselbuilder]

I read this plus others and hope to God it doesn't happen to me. Deca has been a staple on blasts/cruises and even just a tad for joint since I started. It's been damn good to me and I'm seriously thankful (50 now). I heal like a mini wolverine and any sign of potential tendinitis disappears in a week at most. It's like my CLP (clean lube protect) spray all in one...plus strength and muscle.

What dosage? I was doing 40mg of Deca EOD so basically 160mg per week and I got gyno and had some decent water retention… but I loved it. My libido went up a lot and my joints felt amazing. I keep thinking maybe I should try doing like 50mg per week for my joints. I train jiu jitsu so I need my joints to be nice n lubed up lol

 

[Mufasa123]

What dosage? I was doing 40mg of Deca EOD so basically 160mg per week and I got gyno and had some decent water retention… but I loved it. My libido went up a lot and my joints felt amazing. I keep thinking maybe I should try doing like 50mg per week for my joints. I train jiu jitsu so I need my joints to be nice n lubed up lol

I'm fairly resistant to nandrolone sides so my personal experience may not be helpful but I'll include some anecdote as I've seen a ton of others seeking your goal opine.

Personal - I run 200mg of deca at almost all times. 200 test 200 deca weekly is my normal cruise. Doesn't touch bloods and I've run it 2+ years straight, tons of 20 week stretches, etc without issue. I've run 750 test/600 deca blasts and no issue there either with bloods identical to cruise. I've run 200 test/100 deca and it definitely makes a difference for my joints. I default to 200mg because it's easy and known. I will almost always leave this level in when blasting whether cut or bulk. I've gone periods without and while it's fine I kind of view deca as joint and tendon longevity protocol at least for me.

Others: everyone (or 99%) who's going to get joint benefits feels them full on at 200mg. Some feel 100mg does the trick, others feel that it's working but not quite as good as 200mg. Some guys don't feel much at 100mg and it seems most need around that level for joints. A few have run 80 and I'm not sure if anyone has tried 50 but below 100mg is a lower success rate for joints. Everyone differs. Honestly even if it's a lesser effect it's still pretty good. Just your body and how it reacts.

BTW - some people like a bit of Mast with deca as well (I only do that on blasts) mostly for the better feel but might block or mitigate some issues for you. Caber/prami are also candidates but now that's a lot of drugs and I like to be more minimal if possible. Ymmv

 

[Mufasa123]

I absolutely loved Deca. Strength increases almost every training session. Joints felt incredible. Nice lean mass gains and my libido was always increased, never experienced Deca dick either. Last few times I used it though by week 3-4 I started feeling this funk that just progressively got worse. Depression and anxiety like I never experienced before. I'd be in the gym thinking like ' I wish I wasn't here, I think I'm done with bodybuilding '. I absolutely love and live this sport, thoughts like that just aren't me. All my happy places became dark places. Even started to effect my family relationships. Took me several weeks to recover after coming off too. After doing some research and talking to respectful people I know in the sport, I found I wasn't the only one who had experienced this. I can't confirm this and it's only my opinion but it seems like it happens more with older, aging athletes.

I've seen exactly this reported before. It I responded like that, I'd drop it completely as well. Also seen it creep into older users, same as you (I'm old too!), who were previously fine. I'm just hoping I don't go this way - if I do, I drop without hesitation though.

I'll also say when I was young I could run deca by itself with high sex drive. Now I need test = so body definitely changes for me too.

 

[dieselbuilder]

I'm fairly resistant to nandrolone sides so my personal experience may not be helpful but I'll include some anecdote as I've seen a ton of others seeking your goal opine.

Personal - I run 200mg of deca at almost all times. 200 test 200 deca weekly is my normal cruise. Doesn't touch bloods and I've run it 2+ years straight, tons of 20 week stretches, etc without issue. I've run 750 test/600 deca blasts and no issue there either with bloods identical to cruise. I've run 200 test/100 deca and it definitely makes a difference for my joints. I default to 200mg because it's easy and known. I will almost always leave this level in when blasting whether cut or bulk. I've gone periods without and while it's fine I kind of view deca as joint and tendon longevity protocol at least for me.

Others: everyone (or 99%) who's going to get joint benefits feels them full on at 200mg. Some feel 100mg does the trick, others feel that it's working but not quite as good as 200mg. Some guys don't feel much at 100mg and it seems most need around that level for joints. A few have run 80 and I'm not sure if anyone has tried 50 but below 100mg is a lower success rate for joints. Everyone differs. Honestly even if it's a lesser effect it's still pretty good. Just your body and how it reacts.

BTW - some people like a bit of Mast with deca as well (I only do that on blasts) mostly for the better feel but might block or mitigate some issues for you. Caber/prami are also candidates but now that's a lot of drugs and I like to be more minimal if possible. Ymmv

Yea I did run some caber. Talk about my libido going even crazier in addition to the deca. I love mast but I think I saw a post recently about how it doesn’t help with deca sides. I also got pretty good brain fog from it. If it didn’t make me grow tits fast i would always run it. I got so sex crazed from it. Funny thing is I was always hesitant to run it bc I was worried about deca dick