Test E First Cycle

[idiotpterry]

I am about to start my first cycle and I want to keep it simple. I have been training for about 2 and a half years and am ready for a little boost. I will be doing Test E @ 500mg a week. I will also take Nolvadex @ 10 mg per day. I am VERY concerned about water retention and aromatization.. Will the Nolvadex keep me from getting puffy cheaks? Or should I also take Arimadex too... any other suggestions? My goal is to reach about 190 and cut to about 5% boy fat. Also, with my height and weight, shouuld about 3500 calories be good? or should i up it to 4000?


Age 22
Weight 178
Body Fat- 11%
Height 5'10"

 

[Sesshomaru]

I am about to start my first cycle and I want to keep it simple. I have been training for about 2 and a half years and am ready for a little boost. I will be doing Test E @ 500mg a week. I will also take Nolvadex @ 10 mg per day. I am VERY concerned about water retention and aromatization.. Will the Nolvadex keep me from getting puffy cheaks? Or should I also take Arimadex too... any other suggestions? My goal is to reach about 190 and cut to about 5% boy fat. Also, with my height and weight, shouuld about 3500 calories be good? or should i up it to 4000?


Age 22
Weight 178
Body Fat- 11%
Height 5'10"

Judging by this post, you are not ready for a boost. Get your dieting in check, youve only been training for 2.5 yrs which is hardly enough to plateau, and youre only 22. Seriously, you will get much more if you wait and lock down diet.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

It's your body but I agree with Sesshomaru. Why do you want to do something that will shut you down now when your body is kickin' with all the right stuff naturally?

Also, 500 is too much for someone who doesn't know yet how they will respond. 200-250 per week will put you sky-high on test levels likely without sides but you haven't even started yet and you're already worrying about bloat.

I wish I naturally had the hormone levels I did when I was your age.

 

[idiotpterry]

thanks for the advice, but if i run the proper PCT then my natural levels should be kicked back up to normal afterwards, will they not? I have ran 2 cycles of anablic steroids before ( my earliest was 18 on Halodrol pills, the old formula). My body's immune and hormone systems are very strong. I do not intend on abusing it by any means.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

thanks for the advice, but if i run the proper PCT then my natural levels should be kicked back up to normal afterwards, will they not? I have ran 2 cycles of anablic steroids before ( my earliest was 18 on Halodrol pills, the old formula). My body's immune and hormone systems are very strong. I do not intend on abusing it by any means.

I never said anything about abuse, I'm just talking about a right way to start things out and a wrong way. Your HPTA should recover in time but PCT isn't going to kick anything. You may return to normal, you may not. There's a lot of 25 year olds out there who think just like you are and now need TRT but no doctor will give it to them because of age. Do you know what steroid induced hypogonadism is? And how do you know your hormone systems are "strong"? How did you determine that? And if they are strong, then why shut them down?

It's your body my young friend but I'd wait. You've only been lifting for a short time and are no where near your potential.

 

[idiotpterry]

OK, I get that you highly discourage using at my age, but can a 12 week cycle at a relatively low dosage and proper precautions be THAT detremental and bad? It's not like I am overdoing it.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Good luck with your cycle.

 

[oldfella]

2.5 years??? Well it is your body and I suppose you will do what you want with it. But I did not use any gear for ten years that I started training. When I did it was 250mg/wk of test only. But I had ten years of training and diet under me before I did what I did. I will back sess and ouch here and say that your decision to use now is weak. IMO you are making a mistake. wait another 2.5 years and spend the money on someone like Phil Hernon first. In fact he will be chaeaper tahn your first cycle and you will get more gains from his methods than you will from the gear.

Your choice bro, but I know where the smart money goes!!!!

 

[Sesshomaru]

OK, I get that you highly discourage using at my age, but can a 12 week cycle at a relatively low dosage and proper precautions be THAT detremental and bad? It's not like I am overdoing it.

A few things:

500mg is not low if you have legit stuff.

12wks is even debatable for cycle length. Search Dad's posts and you can see discussions on short vs long cycles.

Just because you run PCT doesnt mean that your system will eventually be running at normal, esp if your system is still maturing.

You didnt answer any of Ouch's questions.

I completely agree with Oldfella: youd be better off spending your money on working with a pro who can show you the way to diet for YOUR body to optimize your gains. No one is telling you this because its the PC thing to do, its because theres a lot of experience on this board and a lot of sad stories from people doing stupid things and wasting time.

Edit: if you truly are 178lbs at 5'10 and 11%, and you feel like you need a boost to get to 190, then you should definitely work with someone. If youre that lean, putting on some quality mass at 22 is a piece of cake.

 

[rotty]

It's obvious you haven't done any research on this. Most of hte people on this board are going to have the same opinion on this matter...wait. You are still young. The gains you can make naturally over the next few years will be far superior to doing some cycles. The gains you make naturally are yours to keep and you don't have to worry about sides or anything else. You need to understand that even a small amount of steroids can mess up your natural hormone levels, even with PCT and precautions, there is no guarantee. 500mgs is too much also. Why set the bar higher than you need to? Lots of people on htis board probably wish they could go back in time and change what they did. Don't look at it as people busting your balls, just people trying to give you advice from years of experience that you don't have, trying to keep you from making the same mistakes as them. When most of us on here started training or supplements, there was no internet and information came from some idiot in the gym that had no idea. There's no excuse to not be informed anymore. It is your body so you will do what you want. Good luck

 

[tkav1980]

if you want to get to 190 and under 5% body fat heres what to do. train HEAVY, eat 6000+ calories EVERY DAY from the following foods.....boiled chicken, egg withes, broccoli, tuna, brown rice, baked plain sweet potatoes, bananas. then add some LBA's, bcaa's and a quality protien shake and some healthy fats like all natural peanut butter and olive oil. las but not least, be patient. if you do this right you can reach your goals naturally within a year. PM me when you have not missed more than 2 meals, and 3 schedueled workouts in a year and ill tell you how to start using gear.

 

[j-bird]

OK, I get that you highly discourage using at my age, but can a 12 week cycle at a relatively low dosage and proper precautions be THAT detremental and bad? It's not like I am overdoing it.

Good luck with your cycle.

haha lmao!

 

[Deus ex machina]

Question for experienced users!????

I have always read that 500mg/week of Test E is the best cycle for starters? Is this not true? Should it just be 250mg/week????

 

[gordo14]

Sure!

You want to use the lowest dose possible to acheive results. If you can use 250 mg and are still making gains then there is no reason to move up the dose. There is alot more to it than this, age, diet, training regimen, and rest all play a huge role. This is to general of a question.

 

[WildBB]

Age 22
Weight 178
Body Fat- 11%
Height 5'10"

Dude, at 22...5'10' and 11% bodyfat, you are a skinny guy. Come back here in a few years when you are 215 or so @ 11%bf, then maybe you could be ready for AAS.

Read our forums for diet help...you should be training heavy and eating GOOD. If you can't gain natural, then AAS will not help you at all!

I always recommend our professional trainers here on PM, they are worth EVERY PENNY!

WildBB

 

[blackhawks273]

Also if your going to take Test E 500 mgs per week, i would leave out the Nolvadex unless its absolutely necessary. The Nolvadex will actually slow down your gains. Better to leave it out until later in your cycle if you decide to go that route.

 

[MaineGuy]

Also if your going to take Test E 500 mgs per week, i would leave out the Nolvadex unless its absolutely necessary. The Nolvadex will actually slow down your gains. Better to leave it out until later in your cycle if you decide to go that route.

I think he made his decision already, since this thread was from 2008

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I think he made his decision already, since this thread was from 2008

We should probably take this moment to mourn his unfortunate yet likely passing.

 

[Ryda]

Another impatient newbie

I'm 27 been in the gym for 10yrs 5 of which have been consistent and I only started my first real cycle 5 weeks ago

Get to where you can naturally with the correct diet and training (which should take a few years) then think about AAS