Test+tren and gyno, what to do?

[Ares]

Hi guys, greetings to you all, I´m new on this board but been around on some other boards. My current cycle is as follows:

1-12 test e 1000 mg
1-12 eq 600 mg
8-12 tri-trenabol 300 mg
+ pct hcg, nolva, clomid

I´m on week 10 and I´ve been having gyno symptoms for a week now and I also feel a lump under my right nipple. I´ve been only doing .25 mg arimidex ed, this may have been too little but I´m usually not very gyno sensitive. This is my first time using tren and I´m not sure if this is test related or tren related. I upped arimidex to .5 and also added 60 mg nolva for the first day and after that I´ve been taking 40 mg nolva a day for a few days now. I´ve also read that using nolva with tren may be counter productive but how can you tell if its test or tren causing this. I´m not lactating or anything lol.

Stats 35 years old, 250 lbs, bf around 12-15 %, been training for about 15 years.

What should you think I should do?

 

[oldfella]

Well now that is the question. On test, eq and tren and we are not talking light doses here but I put my money on the tren. if this is the case then all of your clomid, nolva and others will have no effect on tren induced gyno. You need cabergoline or bromocriptine. But it still could be the test and eq! You may want to get some arimidex or letrozole. See how complicated this all gets?? You really do not know what is going on. The doses are too high and you have several compounds running at once. Throw in the clomid, nolva and bang, you have a hormone nightmare happening!!

 

[nosmas]

I have a genetic disposition to gyno, which I got at puberty and have had ever since.
on the other hand, the same genetic disposition and combination of swedish, scandanavian and german blood make up for it because I grow fast and large when I even look at a gym.

 

[mars1960]

Well now that is the question. On test, eq and tren and we are not talking light doses here but I put my money on the tren. if this is the case then all of your clomid, nolva and others will have no effect on tren induced gyno. You need cabergoline or bromocriptine. But it still could be the test and eq! You may want to get some arimidex or letrozole. See how complicated this all gets?? You really do not know what is going on. The doses are too high and you have several compounds running at once. Throw in the clomid, nolva and bang, you have a hormone nightmare happening!!

Yea, have to agree in part, for the reasons set out.

Usually fake trenbolone compounds are a low-dose testosterone propionate product. This has often lead to the belief that trenbolone causes gyno and other estrogenic effects, but that simply isn't true.

This belief has taken on a life of its own though. Making theories pop up all over the place. The only one that made sense, from some point at least, was that trenbolone was progestagenic and acted at the progesterone receptor. Its structure is similar to nandrolone, so this is a logical assumption. But even then, for progesterone activation to cause things like gyno, it needs to act as an estrogen agonist. It needs an estrogen as mediator. Since trenbolone doesn't cause aromatization, any sighting of gyno with trenbolone use should be regarded as a misinterpretation and is most likely to blame on another compound, an aromatizable one. So while trenbolone may increase the risk of gyno when stacked with heavily aromatizing substances, its simply not true that trenbolone alone causes gyno.

 

[Max32]

Yea, have to agree in part, for the reasons set out.

Usually fake trenbolone compounds are a low-dose testosterone propionate product. This has often lead to the belief that trenbolone causes gyno and other estrogenic effects, but that simply isn't true.

This belief has taken on a life of its own though. Making theories pop up all over the place. The only one that made sense, from some point at least, was that trenbolone was progestagenic and acted at the progesterone receptor. Its structure is similar to nandrolone, so this is a logical assumption. But even then, for progesterone activation to cause things like gyno, it needs to act as an estrogen agonist. It needs an estrogen as mediator. Since trenbolone doesn't cause aromatization, any sighting of gyno with trenbolone use should be regarded as a misinterpretation and is most likely to blame on another compound, an aromatizable one. So while trenbolone may increase the risk of gyno when stacked with heavily aromatizing substances, its simply not true that trenbolone alone causes gyno.

Your arguement may be sound based off of some research but simply does not hold true in the real world...I have witnessed too many people have gyno from tren alone, or tren combined with non-aromatizing compounds such as masteron or anavar. I recently was involved in a discussion on this from another board where a doctor chimed in as well....I will link post and if someone needs to take down or against board rules, please do so....

**broken link removed**

 

[marooned]

If there is a lump you can feel then the GYNO is at least partially Estro based. Prolactin based GYNO causing swelling and lactating but not a lump. So, as OF stated you have several compounds going so it could be a combination of both Estro and Prolactin build up.

Are you on HCG right now or throughout the cycle?

I would get some Dostinex(cabergoline) right away. Start it at .5mg ED and stay on the Adex at .5mg ED and stay on the Nolva at 20-40 mg ED until a couple weeks after the Gyno subsides. I would consider dropping the Tren but thats just me. Good Luck.

 

[kai73]

Since introducing Tren into my cycles, I haven't taken it out. I love the stuff but have always been wary of Prolactin buildup and gyno-like symptoms that I have heard appear when these levels get high. My understanding is that Prolactin buildup is also the reason for Deca-dick. Be safe bro. I always take cabergoline. Cabaser is a cheaper way to go than Dostinex, just like Proscar is cheaper than Propecia. I stick with .5mg eod. But these vets could probably tell you better than I.