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The Best Way to Cycle Sustanon

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The Best Way to Cycle Sustanon

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Sustanon has been a mainstay in most bodybuilder’s lives since the very beginning of their steroid use. It’s as ubiquitous as Deca or Dbol, but is it a drug that really should be used? And if ou’re going to use it have you been going about it all wrong?

Sustanon was originally designed and formulated by Organon as a timed-release compound used for androgen replacement for hypogonadic males, HRT, and all the other uses where androgens are indicated. The difference being that Sustanon (sustained release) was designed to be administered once per month. By combining multiple esters in such a way, starting with shorter chain molecules (propionate) and progressing to longer ones (decanoate), you can design a formula that takes effect almost immediately and releases its payload (testosterone) over a length of time.

So let's look at the esters in Sustanon. Would anyone consider stacking two forms of esterified test in a single cycle? For example, would you combine propionate and enanthate? If so, how would you do it? Would you take 30mg or propionate every other day or twice a week along with 100mg of enanthate at the same time? Of course not! Well not only are you doing that with Sust, but with FOUR esters, not just two. Testosterone is testosterone whether your body cleaves it from a short molecule or a long molecule. Many people still think that these different esters of the same organic compound are somehow different or "synergistic". That's almost like saying the caffeine in coffee is different than the caffeine in Pepsi. And if you stack coffee and Pepsi you’ll have a more pronounced effect or synergistic effect. There is a difference, but in only one regard and that is that you will get more raw test mg/mg with shorter esters than longer ones. The reason for this is simple. The larger the molecule, the more carbons are added which increases the total weight of the molecule. In short, more of the molecule's weight is taken up by carbon and not testosterone. The additional carbon and occasionally oxygen atoms also increase the compound’s solubility and half-life, but that is beyond this article. So, what esters are we dealing with in Sustanon?

Propionate 30mg (2 days)
Phenylpropionate 30mg (4 days)
Isocaproate 60mg (9 days)
Decanoate 100mg (15 days)

In parenthesis, you see their approximate half-lives. It is no coincidence that each ester is roughly twice the quantity of the one before it, nor is it coincidental that each half life is approximately double the length of the one before it.

I decided to experiment with Sustanon after receiving a fairly large quantity. Even though I had plenty, I was still thinking greedily and wanted to get the most out of my testosterone dollar. I started with the twice-a-week approach. A month later, I had no gains, a bad flu, and had used almost 20 amps (1ml) at 250mg/ml. I wanted to know what had gone wrong. It didn’t take long to figure out. During the first week, all that had taken effect was the prop and phenylprop. And 120mg total (out of 500mg) is all that my system saw. That’s about enough to suppress the axis, but that’s it. The second week, probably not much different and had used 4 amps (1000mg). By the third week I had the flu. Not exactly a surprise with all the HPTA suppression and unstable test levels. Most people have heard of the sust flu? Well, there you go. I was beginning to plan a PCT regimen when it dawned on me? I’m not getting enough stable, high levels of testosterone! So, not long after that I moved everything to the all too common every-other-day (EOD) approach. Don’t get me wrong, I started noticing results, but then again, who wouldn't? This is a shotgun approach! If you had propionate and enanthate would you just keep dosing until something worked? No. You wouldn't. The idea there is to just keep shooting the stuff and "one of them esters" will eventually work. Personally, I don't like this approach. I think we can do much better. So, how well did it work? I'd have 3 good days, followed by 3 bad days. I was emotional. I wanted to sleep all the time. I had a runny nose. Two different blood tests during this time proved that I had almost twice the free test in my system as the blood test a week later. By this point, my great buy was turning into a great waste. I took 2 months off, did a fairly aggressive PCT and started planning my next cycle.

Here is where it seemed to all come together. I decided to try taking Sustanon as Organon intended, but in bodybuilder amounts. This meant using it less frequently, but using larger doses. Using it as a SUSTained-release product. Again, being greedy like I am, I didn’t want to waste the propionate in the Sust, so I scheduled the entire cycle dosage amounts based on what I would take if I was doing a propionate-only cycle. This meant 4 amps or 1000mgs. That gave me a starting dose of 120mg propionate (30mg x 4) and instead of taking the next dose of propionate, I knew I could just relax knowing that as the propionate fell off, the phenylpropionate would begin and as the phenylpropionate fell off, the isocaproate would begin, etc, etc. This worked phenomenal and I began the cycle figuring on every two weeks (one decanoate half-life). In reality, I played with this until I found a sweet spot of 8 days (approx. half of a half life). This gave me testosterone levels that remained stable throughout the cycle and at levels that were good for the results I wanted. You may need to adjust this time period to suit your physiology.

If I were to ever use Sustanon in a cycle again, which I doubt since there are less expensive, more stable compounds available, I would use it as intended in bodybuilder amounts. I would do 1000-1500mg once every 8 days. This would allow for it to take immediate effect and with a few additional amps of propionate, you could use it with predictable stability right up until a few days before starting PCT. This dosing regimen, in my opinion, combined with equipoise or nandrolone would be a very productive cycle. Given the choice, I would still stick with enanthate. The injections are usually painless, the stability is high, the half-life is fairly long. If you don't mind EOD injects then prop or phenylprop would also be better choices than Sustanon in my opinion
 

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In your opinion is it better and more productive to grow on 1000 mg weekly of cyp or e and some prop as opposed to Sus??
 

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In your opinion is it better and more productive to grow on 1000 mg weekly of cyp or e and some prop as opposed to Sus??
Good question. From personal experience I really cannot give an accurate answer because I fell in love with the enanthate ester from the get go. I have cycled prop and cyp but my best results came with the E ester. I have never cycled sust because I don't like to fix things that aren't broke.

Maybe some other members will chime in on this one.
 

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Good question. From personal experience I really cannot give an accurate answer because I fell in love with the enanthate ester from the get go. I have cycled prop and cyp but my best results came with the E ester. I have never cycled sust because I don't like to fix things that aren't broke.

Maybe some other members will chime in on this one.

So this is not your writing and its just an article from someone?
 

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Me and my buds are cheap bastards and sometimes just use one type of test at be low/moderate doses (300-400mg a week). Empirically sustanon seems to work well at those doses split over 2-3 shots a week. I've done plenty of enanthate, prop, susp and rx cyp, and honestly the sust just seems to work a little better in this application. Plus it is simpler than trying to mix a bunch of esters. In addition if you are traveling for the weekend and miss a shot it is no big deal. Obviously when coming off a switch to shorter esters is a good move, but again for a longer term cruise I think it is great stuff.
 

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I will try Sustanon soon as a cruise (250mg weekly plus proviron). But i'm still undecided on which injection protocol may work best for me. I'm very prone to estrogens sides so i like to split my test injections in order to keep more stable levels. But who knows, maybe sustanon could work best in one single 250 mg shot per week.
 

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I will try Sustanon soon as a cruise (250mg weekly plus proviron). But i'm still undecided on which injection protocol may work best for me. I'm very prone to estrogens sides so i like to split my test injections in order to keep more stable levels. But who knows, maybe sustanon could work best in one single 250 mg shot per week.

Just an anecdote, but I'm prone to estrogenic sides, as well, and recommend pinning something like sustanon at least every other day, every three, at most. Keeps libido higher, too, in my experience
 

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Just an anecdote, but I'm prone to estrogenic sides, as well, and recommend pinning something like sustanon at least every other day, every three, at most. Keeps libido higher, too, in my experience

Thanks for the suggestion. I will start trying something like 75 mg eod.
 

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I basically ONLY use Sust, on blast and on cruise.
E has just never felt right with me. Plus, for some reason I get horrible pip from it..multiple brands too.
If I had to stop Sust, i'd probably go to Prop.
 

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Probably 20 years ago I was a member at Steroid Encyclopaedia (yes, that's how they spelled it.) A member there tried an experiment with sust. He reasoned that pinning once, or even twice a week early in the cycle was just wasting the prop before the longer esters kicked in. He decided to pin one amp of sust every day for 30 days. He figured the prop would kick the cycle in right away, then the longer esters would kick in and ramp up, then the long esters would taper down the cycle themselves. He said it was a decent cycle, but he was going back to test E and pinning twice a week. The only reason he tried the sust experiment was because he got a lot of legit Organon amps at a really good price.
 

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The article may look interesting on the surface but quite honestly there is very little difference between dosing methods. As MM just posted it's very flawed. If you're consistent with any standard dosing method your levels will build up over time especially because of the 2 longer esters. Guys should experiment and see for themselves. I prefer a more frequent dosing pattern with sust so eod or e3d's. I have tried a high dose every week. I even tried a high dose every 2 weeks once as well. Point being test really is test and whilst there can be some differences between esters I think generally when people inject larger doses infrequently it tends to cause more side effects.
 

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Probably 20 years ago I was a member at Steroid Encyclopaedia (yes, that's how they spelled it.) A member there tried an experiment with sust. He reasoned that pinning once, or even twice a week early in the cycle was just wasting the prop before the longer esters kicked in. He decided to pin one amp of sust every day for 30 days. He figured the prop would kick the cycle in right away, then the longer esters would kick in and ramp up, then the long esters would taper down the cycle themselves. He said it was a decent cycle, but he was going back to test E and pinning twice a week. The only reason he tried the sust experiment was because he got a lot of legit Organon amps at a really good price.

I was a member there around the same time. They used to have Kevin Levrone's side bicep pose as their emblem.
 

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In my opinion, I always felt like Sust just hit harder than other esters. I’ve done them all except suspension. Never noticed any difference between Test E and C.

I haven’t used Sust in a very long time, but would def break up shot durations to twice a week.
 

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I basically ONLY use Sust, on blast and on cruise.
E has just never felt right with me. Plus, for some reason I get horrible pip from it..multiple brands too.
If I had to stop Sust, i'd probably go to Prop.
We are cut from the same cloth, brother. Enanthate cripples me and prop is painless. Personally, I love prop. I just hate pinning all the time. This is why I live on Sustanon.
 

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Recently i tried to add some propionate on top of my 250 mf per week of cypionate. Not only it didn't give me estrogenic sides, but within some days i felt dryer, harder and tighter. No gyno problems without changing AI protocol. It was pharma grade test propionate. I just got tired of pinning everyday.
I don't know if the cypionate that i've now is an underdosed shit, but i run it for 8 weeks and i didn't feel the "androgenic drive" that i felt on the same dose (250 mg) of enanthate. Less fullness, less aggression, less drive while training, less libido, less estrogenic sides. So i resumed my old enanthate (same brand) and within a week i've felt a different person.
So test is test? Maybe. But i don't get the same reaction to different esters.
Think about it. Caffeine is caffeine. It's the same compund you find in coffee, tea, cola, redbull and caffeine pills. But do you get the same effects from caffeine pills and cola at a given amount of caffeine? I don't think so. Just my 2 cents.
 

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Recently i tried to add some propionate on top of my 250 mf per week of cypionate. Not only it didn't give me estrogenic sides, but within some days i felt dryer, harder and tighter. No gyno problems without changing AI protocol. It was pharma grade test propionate. I just got tired of pinning everyday.
I don't know if the cypionate that i've now is an underdosed shit, but i run it for 8 weeks and i didn't feel the "androgenic drive" that i felt on the same dose (250 mg) of enanthate. Less fullness, less aggression, less drive while training, less libido, less estrogenic sides. So i resumed my old enanthate (same brand) and within a week i've felt a different person.
So test is test? Maybe. But i don't get the same reaction to different esters.
Think about it. Caffeine is caffeine. It's the same compund you find in coffee, tea, cola, redbull and caffeine pills. But do you get the same effects from caffeine pills and cola at a given amount of caffeine? I don't think so. Just my 2 cents.

Test is test but what you state is definitely correct and the ester can make a big difference for people. The literature shows minor differences but years of bodybuilders accounts tell a different story. Granted some may use an underdosed product and sometimes guys are on sust or test e and it's really test c and visa versa. I recall a really popular fake pharm grade sust that tested as test c at the correct dose for example. The mind can be very powerful at times and I am sure many who used that fake pharm product probably thought this feels great and pharm gear is so much better than UG. Look at the difference between tren e and a and deca and npp and that will show people the differences in esters of the same steroid.

I tried multiple test p brands over my first 5 years or so and I was unable to use most due to horrible pip but when I started Geno's many years ago it was much different but even with that I have to be careful with the amount. Test c and test e I can inject 2-3ml and have no pip. Granted there are other variables that have more of an effect than the ester on things such as pip. When discussing gear with plenty of experienced/advanced guys over the years it became apparent to me how many prefer test c compared to others (especially when growing) and I am the same.
 

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