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Just starting to dig up some old posts. Hope you enjoy. And if anybody else could share their experiences of this era that would be appreciated. It’s not all about me.

December 3, 2011.

“A couple of the threads about Gold’s and 80’s bodybuilders got me thinking about some of the
bodybuilders I have met and or have witnessed working out . . . (And when I say “met” you must
have at least shaken their hand, talked to them. And when I say “training” I mean in the gym
training, not pumping-up backstage.)

Here is my list . . . totally lop-sided towards the 70’s and 80’s(?) . . . Yea, I don’t get out the house
much now-a-days, hahahah. My stories, well . . . too numerous and boring to mention, but am
interested, as I suspect others are, about the bodybuilders you all have met or observed training.
This could be a fun thread, I’ll go first:

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Franco Columbo, Tom Platz, Serge Nubret, Danny Padilla, Charles Glass,
Peter Grymkowski, David Johns, Ray Mentzer, Casey Viator, Manual Perry, C F Smith, Lou Ferrigno,
Ron Teufel, Ed Corney, Dennis Tenerino, Bob Birdsong, Lance Dreher, Greg DeFerro, Tim Belknap,
Roger Callard, Ken Waller, Chris Dickerson, Kent Kuehn, Tony Pearson, Roy Callendar, Mike Dayton,
Frank Zane, Robby Robinson, Bill Grant, Eddie Giuliani, Andreas Cahling, The Barbarian Brothers (David
and Peter Paul), Ellington Darden, Vince Gironda, Irvin 'Zabo' Koszewski.
 
I would love if could provide info on the different training styles, intensity, etc..
tom platz always said nobody back then really did barbell back squats they just said they did. Is this true and was much of their supposed training fabricated?
 
I would love if could provide info on the different training styles, intensity, etc..
tom platz always said nobody back then really did barbell back squats they just said they did. Is this true and was much of their supposed training fabricated?
would be awesome to be able to hear the actual stories and not all that fabricated drama bs with extreme stories..
 
I cut and pasted this from a post I made back in 2011, typed on a PC and I just cut and pasted it to my iPhone so I hope the formatting is correct.

Dec 7, 2011

While I have written here in great detail about some of my experiences, I will add a few more
observations and comments . . .

I think it is fair to say that when I saw my first real bodybuilder (Arnold at Gold’s, Venice Beach)
I was totally unprepared mentally, was blown away by his size and shape. And generally speaking,
was also in total disbelief by their “loose” form and the amount of weight they used, which to my
thinking and from what I read and saw in the magazines at the time, was far less then I had anticipated.
That is not to say they were not strong, they were; far stronger that I was or would ever be. I
just anticipated, was led to believe the weights to be more in-line with their size. Silly me.

I also observed that they did not train as hard as I thought they would (or should?), which is also
to say, to muscular failure, though there were a few exceptions, which I will get to later. They all
seemed to have this innate ability to know just how hard to push themselves. Not too much and
not too little. And all appeared to have the ability to “connect” with their muscles while training,
knowing just what part of the movement produced the desired effect.

Arnold Schwarzenegger like I said above, was my first encounter and he was everything and
more than what I expected. He was very friendly and nice and trained with total concentration
and focus. I also attended one of seminars in Chicago, spent a day with him and a few other
people, and trained with him, with him critiquing. Special. Lance Dreher was in the gym at the
time and I watched him train also. Franco Columbo was very strong for his size. I did not talk
with him much. (Did not talk to any of the bodybuilders when they were training, only before
or after.) I seem to remember a language barrier or he was just not interested in talking to me.
Irvin 'Zabo' Koszewski was there too, doing his endless ab crunches. That is all I saw him do.

Tom Platz was a total animal in the gym. Probably one of the hardest training bodybuilders I
have ever seen. Unfortunately I did not get to see him do a leg workout. Serge Nubret was
probably one of the most “beautiful” physiques I have ever seen. Just stunning. I saw him train
many times, always doing many many “light” sets, never to failure, always pumping it seems.
Danny Padilla was one of the most impressive; densely packed, thickly muscled, with full and
round muscles, almost ridiculously so. Hard to believe anybody could have that much muscle
on their frame.

Charles Glass, very friendly and knowledge, sharing and working in with other bodybuilders. Peter
Grymkowski was another monster (with very bad skin). I met him when he worked / owned Gold’s
Gym in Santa Monica. David Johns I met while standing in line at the Mr. Universe contest in LA. Nice
guy, very friendly with huge arms which he had no problem displaying. The Pumping Iron film crew
was there, outside, filming all the people in line. I landed on the cutting room floor (the story of my
life, hahahah) as did the entire scene if memory serves. Ray Mentzer I saw training and was surprised
at the number of sets he did per body-part and lack of intensity in his training as I was led to believe
otherwise by his writings. Got a foto of him and my adorable female cousin, have been trying for
ages to get that from her. Oh well. Also attended one of Mike’s training seminars in Oakland, CA.

Casey Viator was another monster who trained very hard and very strictly. (There is foto of me
with him in Florida on this board somewhere if I haven’t deleted it. Standing next him I look like a
stick man, which I was as I had just returned from Africa, where I had been working of a game
preserve, having lost ~ 20lbs) Unfortunately I did not get to see Arthur put him through a workout,
which is what I was hoping for . . . now that would have been something to see! Ellington
Darden I met in Florida many times, he was never interested in talking bodybuilding, at least to me.

Bob Birdsong did the exact same forearm routine as outlined in a muscle magazine I had just read.
Wonder of all wonders . . . just as advertised! C F Smith another high intensity, low frequency training
guy with very impressive results. Nice guy. Very open and honest. Watched him train a couple of times.
He did an interview with Bill Reynolds when I was there. I read a copy of the interview later and he did
what he said he did training wise. Then there was Steve Davis (who I forgot to mention) who was then
known for his “transformation” from fat to muscular, which at the time was really something. A friend
and I spent an afternoon with him at a (his?) gym up in the Valley. He was remarkably open and honest
about drug usage and diet such as it was back the day . . . Lou Ferrigno, just a huge man is all physical
regards. Don’t think he was in his prime, maybe “Hulk” condition. Greg “Rocky” DeFerro, another very
hard trainer. I think he has since passed away.

Frank Zane, I attended one of his seminars in Oakland CA. He would get lost in a crowd in his street clothes,
but when they came off . . . wow! Robby Robinson was super impressive. The Barbarian Brothers (David
and Peter Paul) were crazy strong. Never saw any skin, they were always covered up, looked like monster
construction workers. Vince Gironda, met him at his gym, was friendly and nice contrary to what I had
expected. Met Dennis Tenerino there also though did not see him train, just talked with him and Vince.

Mike Dayton I met at bodybuilding show in Oakland where he guest posed and then gave a strength demo,
breaking a pair of police handcuffs. I then hunted him down, introduced him to my Karate instructor who
was somebody I told him he had to meet. They went on to become good friends, eventually taking Karate
lessons from him. I met Mike a year or so later at a Christmas party at my Sensei’s house where he proce-
eded to hang himself, literally, from his neck with a regulation noose, from a second story hand railing, a
demonstration of how strong his neck was, dangling among a crowd of onlookers. Amazing.

Chris Dickerson I saw train very briefly at Gold’s (after hours, he had a key, liked to train alone I guess) when
I stopped there to get a ride to a Tom Platz, pre-Olympia posing exhibition. Ron Teufel looked very young.
Ed Corney was super nice. Manual Perry I think had won the Mr. America when I was there. Tim Belknap,
just wow!, Roger Callard, movie star good looks with a great body. Ken Waller, very strong and a no non-
sense guy. Kent Kuehn, friendly and funny. Tony Pearson, great taper, no calves. Roy Callendar used sponges
in his hands for gripping, what’s up with that?

All were friendly and nice. I don’t know what the bodybuilding environment is like now a days, if the top dogs
are even approachable. Some are some aren’t like most people in life I suppose, but I don’t think we have
the same comradery or the same concentration of bodybuilders in same place at the same as it was back in
day.

My training “takeaways”, based upon my conversations and observations is this . . . they all trained hard, some
harder than others. Most all used a volume based routine, multiple sets, multiple exercises, with moderate reps.
All one would consider very strong. Their style of training would be considered “loose”, not perfect form (Casey,
Mentzer, and C F Smith being exceptions) but not sloppy or stupid. They all knew what worked for them, felt
right for them, and they did it with total and absolute concentration, a real mind / body connection.
 
I cut and pasted this from a post I made back in 2011, typed on a PC and I just cut and pasted it to my iPhone so I hope the formatting is correct.

Dec 7, 2011

While I have written here in great detail about some of my experiences, I will add a few more
observations and comments . . .

I think it is fair to say that when I saw my first real bodybuilder (Arnold at Gold’s, Venice Beach)
I was totally unprepared mentally, was blown away by his size and shape. And generally speaking,
was also in total disbelief by their “loose” form and the amount of weight they used, which to my
thinking and from what I read and saw in the magazines at the time, was far less then I had anticipated.
That is not to say they were not strong, they were; far stronger that I was or would ever be. I
just anticipated, was led to believe the weights to be more in-line with their size. Silly me.

I also observed that they did not train as hard as I thought they would (or should?), which is also
to say, to muscular failure, though there were a few exceptions, which I will get to later. They all
seemed to have this innate ability to know just how hard to push themselves. Not too much and
not too little. And all appeared to have the ability to “connect” with their muscles while training,
knowing just what part of the movement produced the desired effect.

Arnold Schwarzenegger like I said above, was my first encounter and he was everything and
more than what I expected. He was very friendly and nice and trained with total concentration
and focus. I also attended one of seminars in Chicago, spent a day with him and a few other
people, and trained with him, with him critiquing. Special. Lance Dreher was in the gym at the
time and I watched him train also. Franco Columbo was very strong for his size. I did not talk
with him much. (Did not talk to any of the bodybuilders when they were training, only before
or after.) I seem to remember a language barrier or he was just not interested in talking to me.
Irvin 'Zabo' Koszewski was there too, doing his endless ab crunches. That is all I saw him do.

Tom Platz was a total animal in the gym. Probably one of the hardest training bodybuilders I
have ever seen. Unfortunately I did not get to see him do a leg workout. Serge Nubret was
probably one of the most “beautiful” physiques I have ever seen. Just stunning. I saw him train
many times, always doing many many “light” sets, never to failure, always pumping it seems.
Danny Padilla was one of the most impressive; densely packed, thickly muscled, with full and
round muscles, almost ridiculously so. Hard to believe anybody could have that much muscle
on their frame.

Charles Glass, very friendly and knowledge, sharing and working in with other bodybuilders. Peter
Grymkowski was another monster (with very bad skin). I met him when he worked / owned Gold’s
Gym in Santa Monica. David Johns I met while standing in line at the Mr. Universe contest in LA. Nice
guy, very friendly with huge arms which he had no problem displaying. The Pumping Iron film crew
was there, outside, filming all the people in line. I landed on the cutting room floor (the story of my
life, hahahah) as did the entire scene if memory serves. Ray Mentzer I saw training and was surprised
at the number of sets he did per body-part and lack of intensity in his training as I was led to believe
otherwise by his writings. Got a foto of him and my adorable female cousin, have been trying for
ages to get that from her. Oh well. Also attended one of Mike’s training seminars in Oakland, CA.

Casey Viator was another monster who trained very hard and very strictly. (There is foto of me
with him in Florida on this board somewhere if I haven’t deleted it. Standing next him I look like a
stick man, which I was as I had just returned from Africa, where I had been working of a game
preserve, having lost ~ 20lbs) Unfortunately I did not get to see Arthur put him through a workout,
which is what I was hoping for . . . now that would have been something to see! Ellington
Darden I met in Florida many times, he was never interested in talking bodybuilding, at least to me.

Bob Birdsong did the exact same forearm routine as outlined in a muscle magazine I had just read.
Wonder of all wonders . . . just as advertised! C F Smith another high intensity, low frequency training
guy with very impressive results. Nice guy. Very open and honest. Watched him train a couple of times.
He did an interview with Bill Reynolds when I was there. I read a copy of the interview later and he did
what he said he did training wise. Then there was Steve Davis (who I forgot to mention) who was then
known for his “transformation” from fat to muscular, which at the time was really something. A friend
and I spent an afternoon with him at a (his?) gym up in the Valley. He was remarkably open and honest
about drug usage and diet such as it was back the day . . . Lou Ferrigno, just a huge man is all physical
regards. Don’t think he was in his prime, maybe “Hulk” condition. Greg “Rocky” DeFerro, another very
hard trainer. I think he has since passed away.

Frank Zane, I attended one of his seminars in Oakland CA. He would get lost in a crowd in his street clothes,
but when they came off . . . wow! Robby Robinson was super impressive. The Barbarian Brothers (David
and Peter Paul) were crazy strong. Never saw any skin, they were always covered up, looked like monster
construction workers. Vince Gironda, met him at his gym, was friendly and nice contrary to what I had
expected. Met Dennis Tenerino there also though did not see him train, just talked with him and Vince.

Mike Dayton I met at bodybuilding show in Oakland where he guest posed and then gave a strength demo,
breaking a pair of police handcuffs. I then hunted him down, introduced him to my Karate instructor who
was somebody I told him he had to meet. They went on to become good friends, eventually taking Karate
lessons from him. I met Mike a year or so later at a Christmas party at my Sensei’s house where he proce-
eded to hang himself, literally, from his neck with a regulation noose, from a second story hand railing, a
demonstration of how strong his neck was, dangling among a crowd of onlookers. Amazing.

Chris Dickerson I saw train very briefly at Gold’s (after hours, he had a key, liked to train alone I guess) when
I stopped there to get a ride to a Tom Platz, pre-Olympia posing exhibition. Ron Teufel looked very young.
Ed Corney was super nice. Manual Perry I think had won the Mr. America when I was there. Tim Belknap,
just wow!, Roger Callard, movie star good looks with a great body. Ken Waller, very strong and a no non-
sense guy. Kent Kuehn, friendly and funny. Tony Pearson, great taper, no calves. Roy Callendar used sponges
in his hands for gripping, what’s up with that?

All were friendly and nice. I don’t know what the bodybuilding environment is like now a days, if the top dogs
are even approachable. Some are some aren’t like most people in life I suppose, but I don’t think we have
the same comradery or the same concentration of bodybuilders in same place at the same as it was back in
day.

My training “takeaways”, based upon my conversations and observations is this . . . they all trained hard, some
harder than others. Most all used a volume based routine, multiple sets, multiple exercises, with moderate reps.
All one would consider very strong. Their style of training would be considered “loose”, not perfect form (Casey,
Mentzer, and C F Smith being exceptions) but not sloppy or stupid. They all knew what worked for them, felt
right for them, and they did it with total and absolute concentration, a real mind / body connection.
So many great names from my formative era. Thanks for sharing this and looking forward to more.
 
I cut and pasted this from a post I made back in 2011, typed on a PC and I just cut and pasted it to my iPhone so I hope the formatting is correct.

Dec 7, 2011

While I have written here in great detail about some of my experiences, I will add a few more
observations and comments . . .

I think it is fair to say that when I saw my first real bodybuilder (Arnold at Gold’s, Venice Beach)
I was totally unprepared mentally, was blown away by his size and shape. And generally speaking,
was also in total disbelief by their “loose” form and the amount of weight they used, which to my
thinking and from what I read and saw in the magazines at the time, was far less then I had anticipated.
That is not to say they were not strong, they were; far stronger that I was or would ever be. I
just anticipated, was led to believe the weights to be more in-line with their size. Silly me.

I also observed that they did not train as hard as I thought they would (or should?), which is also
to say, to muscular failure, though there were a few exceptions, which I will get to later. They all
seemed to have this innate ability to know just how hard to push themselves. Not too much and
not too little. And all appeared to have the ability to “connect” with their muscles while training,
knowing just what part of the movement produced the desired effect.

Arnold Schwarzenegger like I said above, was my first encounter and he was everything and
more than what I expected. He was very friendly and nice and trained with total concentration
and focus. I also attended one of seminars in Chicago, spent a day with him and a few other
people, and trained with him, with him critiquing. Special. Lance Dreher was in the gym at the
time and I watched him train also. Franco Columbo was very strong for his size. I did not talk
with him much. (Did not talk to any of the bodybuilders when they were training, only before
or after.) I seem to remember a language barrier or he was just not interested in talking to me.
Irvin 'Zabo' Koszewski was there too, doing his endless ab crunches. That is all I saw him do.

Tom Platz was a total animal in the gym. Probably one of the hardest training bodybuilders I
have ever seen. Unfortunately I did not get to see him do a leg workout. Serge Nubret was
probably one of the most “beautiful” physiques I have ever seen. Just stunning. I saw him train
many times, always doing many many “light” sets, never to failure, always pumping it seems.
Danny Padilla was one of the most impressive; densely packed, thickly muscled, with full and
round muscles, almost ridiculously so. Hard to believe anybody could have that much muscle
on their frame.

Charles Glass, very friendly and knowledge, sharing and working in with other bodybuilders. Peter
Grymkowski was another monster (with very bad skin). I met him when he worked / owned Gold’s
Gym in Santa Monica. David Johns I met while standing in line at the Mr. Universe contest in LA. Nice
guy, very friendly with huge arms which he had no problem displaying. The Pumping Iron film crew
was there, outside, filming all the people in line. I landed on the cutting room floor (the story of my
life, hahahah) as did the entire scene if memory serves. Ray Mentzer I saw training and was surprised
at the number of sets he did per body-part and lack of intensity in his training as I was led to believe
otherwise by his writings. Got a foto of him and my adorable female cousin, have been trying for
ages to get that from her. Oh well. Also attended one of Mike’s training seminars in Oakland, CA.

Casey Viator was another monster who trained very hard and very strictly. (There is foto of me
with him in Florida on this board somewhere if I haven’t deleted it. Standing next him I look like a
stick man, which I was as I had just returned from Africa, where I had been working of a game
preserve, having lost ~ 20lbs) Unfortunately I did not get to see Arthur put him through a workout,
which is what I was hoping for . . . now that would have been something to see! Ellington
Darden I met in Florida many times, he was never interested in talking bodybuilding, at least to me.

Bob Birdsong did the exact same forearm routine as outlined in a muscle magazine I had just read.
Wonder of all wonders . . . just as advertised! C F Smith another high intensity, low frequency training
guy with very impressive results. Nice guy. Very open and honest. Watched him train a couple of times.
He did an interview with Bill Reynolds when I was there. I read a copy of the interview later and he did
what he said he did training wise. Then there was Steve Davis (who I forgot to mention) who was then
known for his “transformation” from fat to muscular, which at the time was really something. A friend
and I spent an afternoon with him at a (his?) gym up in the Valley. He was remarkably open and honest
about drug usage and diet such as it was back the day . . . Lou Ferrigno, just a huge man is all physical
regards. Don’t think he was in his prime, maybe “Hulk” condition. Greg “Rocky” DeFerro, another very
hard trainer. I think he has since passed away.

Frank Zane, I attended one of his seminars in Oakland CA. He would get lost in a crowd in his street clothes,
but when they came off . . . wow! Robby Robinson was super impressive. The Barbarian Brothers (David
and Peter Paul) were crazy strong. Never saw any skin, they were always covered up, looked like monster
construction workers. Vince Gironda, met him at his gym, was friendly and nice contrary to what I had
expected. Met Dennis Tenerino there also though did not see him train, just talked with him and Vince.

Mike Dayton I met at bodybuilding show in Oakland where he guest posed and then gave a strength demo,
breaking a pair of police handcuffs. I then hunted him down, introduced him to my Karate instructor who
was somebody I told him he had to meet. They went on to become good friends, eventually taking Karate
lessons from him. I met Mike a year or so later at a Christmas party at my Sensei’s house where he proce-
eded to hang himself, literally, from his neck with a regulation noose, from a second story hand railing, a
demonstration of how strong his neck was, dangling among a crowd of onlookers. Amazing.

Chris Dickerson I saw train very briefly at Gold’s (after hours, he had a key, liked to train alone I guess) when
I stopped there to get a ride to a Tom Platz, pre-Olympia posing exhibition. Ron Teufel looked very young.
Ed Corney was super nice. Manual Perry I think had won the Mr. America when I was there. Tim Belknap,
just wow!, Roger Callard, movie star good looks with a great body. Ken Waller, very strong and a no non-
sense guy. Kent Kuehn, friendly and funny. Tony Pearson, great taper, no calves. Roy Callendar used sponges
in his hands for gripping, what’s up with that?

All were friendly and nice. I don’t know what the bodybuilding environment is like now a days, if the top dogs
are even approachable. Some are some aren’t like most people in life I suppose, but I don’t think we have
the same comradery or the same concentration of bodybuilders in same place at the same as it was back in
day.

My training “takeaways”, based upon my conversations and observations is this . . . they all trained hard, some
harder than others. Most all used a volume based routine, multiple sets, multiple exercises, with moderate reps.
All one would consider very strong. Their style of training would be considered “loose”, not perfect form (Casey,
Mentzer, and C F Smith being exceptions) but not sloppy or stupid. They all knew what worked for them, felt
right for them, and they did it with total and absolute concentration, a real mind / body connection.

That's a great share. Awesome experiences and much appreciated.

Would have loved to have seen it all back then. Great California era. I didn't even visit Golds in Santa Monica until probably 2010ish. Had changed locations by then. Still cool though. Lots of regular guys/girls. A few absolute houses of humans though. When I lived in South FL early 90s, I got to see a few guys and some training. I was more into OL and PL though but still cool.

To Platz comment. I started lifting late 1980s/early 1990s. Was legit rare to see bodybuilders squatting no less deadlifting during that era. Really anyone at gyms. When I did see someone squat it was usually shit. If someone was hitting solid technique and depth, reason to have a conversation...and like I said rare.
 
That's a great share. Awesome experiences and much appreciated.

Would have loved to have seen it all back then. Great California era. I didn't even visit Golds in Santa Monica until probably 2010ish. Had changed locations by then. Still cool though. Lots of regular guys/girls. A few absolute houses of humans though. When I lived in South FL early 90s, I got to see a few guys and some training. I was more into OL and PL though but still cool.

To Platz comment. I started lifting late 1980s/early 1990s. Was legit rare to see bodybuilders squatting no less deadlifting during that era. Really anyone at gyms. When I did see someone squat it was usually shit. If someone was hitting solid technique and depth, reason to have a conversation...and like I said rare.
What were the bodybuilders generally doing for legs in the 80s & 90s if they were not squatting? Leg press and hacks I would assume
 
What were the bodybuilders generally doing for legs in the 80s & 90s if they were not squatting? Leg press and hacks I would assume

Dead on. Some lunges too. Leg curl/extension obviously as well.

"Squats make your waist thick." That was the constant quoted reason.
 
@alfresco I hope you won’t mind if I post a little known video from those times here from time to time

Lee Hanay mr. Olympia 1984

Please do. It’s not my thread, I hope everyone can contribute something.
 
the 80's must have been an awesome time for bodybuilding..

no internet, no social media.. no cell phones


just training with the boys with Journey playing on the 8 track talking trash on the pinko's

You could also get a prescription for all sorts of goodies from your local physician who didn't care lol
 
August 10, 2015

Tom Platz in LA

I wrote this about a year ago in the form of a PM to a well respected
member on this forum. Just ran across it and thought it might be worth
sharing with other members . . .

It was a long time ago so I'm fuzzy on all the details. A lot of bridge
under the water since them.

What I do remember is that I took my cousin down to Gold's / World
Gym in LA when she got interested in bodybuilding. I used to go
drive down from Nor Cal all the time in the summer, just to hang out
in the gym, at the beach, to train and and watch the monsters train.
Somehow, she quickly made friends with a manager at Venice Gold's
we soon found ourselves invited to this sneak preview, a posing "
exhibition" with Tom Platz. (It's amazing what doors open when you
have warm, friendly, attractive woman at your side. This would have
never happed to me if I was solo. Trust me.

We arrived back at the gym late that evening (Chris Dickerson was the
only guy training at the gym that evening, I think he had a key or some-
thing) for a ride to the "show". We all piled into his car, but first we had
to stop by Ken Waller's house for something or another. After that, we
drove to this small, intimate outdoor, half circle theater somewhere
(Hollywood?) where Tom did his posing routine. I really don't know
what the occasion was other than obvious. Don't recall any tickets or
money changing hands, I know I had nothing to do with either one. It
was a balmy LA summer evening. Just delightful.It was a small turnout,
not many people, probably just friends and relatives.

He was in terrific condition, his torso remarkably improved. I had seen
Tom train before, not legs, which I would have loved to have witnessed;
it was shoulders. I remember him using a "Smith Machine" in particular
(not seated is what I remember) and the insane intensity he applied to
each and every exercise. When he was training, the entire gym would
ratchet it up a notch. You could not help but want to train hard or you
would be embarrassed being there, breathing the same oxygen.

Was sorry to find out down the road that he got injured, but remembering
how hard he trained, it's no small wonder, sooner or later, something
has got to give.

Tom as usual gave a stunning performance, his signature move where
he slicks back his hair and all. He really knew how to free pose, how
to display his strengths, and hide his weaknesses.

I remember standing around talking (mostly listening) with him after the
demo and I could not get over how huge his legs were. I swear I could
see the cuts in legs through the sweat pants he had on.

And no, I did not ask him about "dosages". It never occurred to me and if it
had, I probably would have, my naiveté such as it was at the time. And his
training was something I had witnessed, so him answering questions about
it, describing it, would have been pointless for him. After all, how could one
convey the intensity with which he trained. All I remember is how nice he
was and his remarkable condition. I was in awe.

Like many things in life, it's all about access. And a truly nice woman
by your side (cousin or otherwise) can get you places. I took a photo of her
with Tom that night. She was a huge Platz fan. I've been hounding her for the
foto's I took of her with many of the big dogs at the time, Mike Mentzer,
Roy Callender, "Rocky" Deferro (RIP, heart disease?), etc . . . Now that her
daughter is off to college, she has promised to dig for them.

PS. My cousin was never able to find all the photos I took of her with the bodybuilders. She literally tore her house apart, looking for them and they were nowhere to be found.
 
the 80's must have been an awesome time for bodybuilding..

no internet, no social media.. no cell phones


just training with the boys with Journey playing on the 8 track talking trash on the pinko's

Sidebar on era for context - I don't want to derail alfresco's thread as his stuff is a gem and he's probably the only guy here who lived it with any proximity or interaction with the greats.

On the music side that was very early 80s. Journey's Escape Your was 1981 and 8 tracks were already at the end of their run being supplanted by cassettes. Googling most stores stopped carrying 8 tracks entirely in 82-83. It was really a transitional format from old school reel to reels in component systems, to 8 track to cassette which was far superior (maybe best home cassette deck ever was Nakamichi Dragon released in 1982 - still highly sought after and collectible). My mom did have a Stingray Corvette in that era with an 8 track player. My first and only 8 tracks were Styx and Beach Boys Endless Summer. Parents had Kenny Roger's and a few others. I always wondered why Journey disappeared and then suddenly we had a resurgence with Don't Stop Beleaving on Glee I think. Lol - haven't thought about that in forever.

Was certainly end of golden era for AAS. They were scheduled in 1990 and very limited with drugs like Anavar and Dianabol being removed from US market. Dbol, the OG from Ciba powering York PAs US Olympic team in the heights, was taken out in 1985. Dr's would write scripts largely no issue before. This is why late 80s and early 90s were so damn hard as market hadn't transitioned to UGLs so it was pharma, smuggled pharma, fake pharma and vet stuff. Only things left in US pharma I think were test (susp, cyp, enanth, prop), nandrolone, anadrol, andriol, winstrol tabs. Before this 1970s and 80s were anabolic free for alls. Boxes and bags of primobolan coming in from Europe and easy domestic scripts (could even use multiple Dr's at once still from what I heard and pharmacies could just order and send out back door as they weren't controlled substances). Crazy.
 
Back on topic

My aunt introduced me in the late 1990s to a friend of hers. He used to train at York in the day when Paul Anderson and others were around. He had an old stone walled basement and black iron gym down there so got to train with him a few times. He was still good friends with Arnold and would get tickets and personal invites to stuff from him every year. He had great stories like Anderson walking into the gym and loading 800lbs in the squat rack. No warm ups just a few max depth low rep sets and leave. He didn't unrack once for some reason and the guy went over just to feel it on his back. Said it was crushing. His wife used to call his training his "iron pills" for longevity. Would be down there doing floor presses in the rack at 80 years old. Lol. I'll try to get his name. He's no doubt long passed.

Got to go to the Olympic Games in Atlanta 1996.Hung out a ton with Tony Urutia who had defected from Cuba and was living in Miami or Ft Lauderdale. Fun guy. Others too. Got to see Nicu Vlad at the end of his career - known for introducing the Romanian deadlift and posting legit 40"= verticals after training while wearing heavy wood sole lifting shoes. Urutia hated the politics in US Weightlifting. Limited budget and controlled by a few "favorites" at the time. Friend would fall victim to that later as "his year" to go would see funds diverted to an exhibition sport full women's team and only 2 male athletes sent. He was pissed and never spoke to them or competed again.
 
Well.. much of this is posted before.. but .. what the hell lol..
I've met many guys through the 80s 90s and until now.. but ill go with the lucky times I was able to workout with them..

As a teenager I was able to workout with Tim Belknap.. we did back together.. great guy.. the biggest guy I'd seen up to that point . . True freak for his height..

I talked about this in a few podcasts but I spotted bertil fox once on a set of bench presses with close to 500 pounds as a teenager .. I almost killed the poor guy when I couldn't give him anymore forced reps lol.. but luckily he laughed about it..

I had Greg deferro come to the gym I owned once in the late 90s.. good guy.. still big as hell. Told me about his gear usage and was honest about the " golden age" and its use..

I was friends with Joe meeko.. great guy.. he had tons of old video footage of his workouts.. my wife ran a video production company at the time.. i gave him the idea of letting my wife edit and produce his footage and he coukd see it to the old guys at the Ironage message board.. he sent quite a bit of it over and we started producing and editing. Then Joe passed.. sadly the production died when Joe passed.. I still have quite a few DVD on files.. great footage..

I worked out with Tom prince at the Fitness Forum.. we trained chest.. brutally strong.. great guy.. kept in touch after..

Ate lunch with Henderson Thorne and Aaron Baker at the firehouse Cafe in Venice.. both great guys. .

As a teenager I'd travel a few hours to train at George turners gym in st louis.. many of the greats of that era trained there.. id see Tony pearson.. Jeff williams.. Samir .. Jeff king.. Dave johns.. cliff coons.. it was a great time to be there and see the greats of that era..

Got to see and talk with serge Nubret at the south Miami golds.. he was promoting shows at the time.. he had quite a few guys he was training at that gym.. nice guy.. one of his trainees said " serge is full of shit.. that one meal a day crap they wrote about back in the day was made up bullshit.. that man ate all day and took tons of thyroid and parabolan.. tons of pastries too".. lol

I watched Tony Pearson once do an hour of bench press combined with chins.. not supersetted.. but a set with 225.. then rest a minute and hit the chins.. then rest a minute or two and hit the bench.. this went on for about an hour.. then he combined bent over rows with wide grip dips for another hour.. lol.. Tony was thicker than most give him credit for..

I saw a couple of top pros In the day and top females attend a house party and it turned into a full blown nude pool party.. my wife wasn't having it lol.. party cut short..

I told this to some of the admin here but I sat at a table of a big supplier back in the day and had two top pros at the time purchasing gear..lol. they both were pretty broke so they were buying what they could afford and one still owed money lol. So his off season was pretty limited that year.. lol one just got finished doing private nude modeling sessions so he had more money than the other .. but thats a whole different story all together 🤣
 
I think it was @LATS that mentioned Platz talking about taking 200 mgs of deca per day in a locker room?
 
@LATS and @alfresco i would love to see a pic of you guys from back in those days, just to see if i would recognize you from all the material i have seen over the years!.
I think you two guys have more knowledge that you could share than all the guys you mentioned. Thank you for sharing ❤️
 
Well.. much of this is posted before.. but .. what the hell lol..
I've met many guys through the 80s 90s and until now.. but ill go with the lucky times I was able to workout with them..

As a teenager I was able to workout with Tim Belknap.. we did back together.. great guy.. the biggest guy I'd seen up to that point . . True freak for his height..

I talked about this in a few podcasts but I spotted bertil fox once on a set of bench presses with close to 500 pounds as a teenager .. I almost killed the poor guy when I couldn't give him anymore forced reps lol.. but luckily he laughed about it..

I had Greg deferro come to the gym I owned once in the late 90s.. good guy.. still big as hell. Told me about his gear usage and was honest about the " golden age" and its use..

I was friends with Joe meeko.. great guy.. he had tons of old video footage of his workouts.. my wife ran a video production company at the time.. i gave him the idea of letting my wife edit and produce his footage and he coukd see it to the old guys at the Ironage message board.. he sent quite a bit of it over and we started producing and editing. Then Joe passed.. sadly the production died when Joe passed.. I still have quite a few DVD on files.. great footage..

I worked out with Tom prince at the Fitness Forum.. we trained chest.. brutally strong.. great guy.. kept in touch after..

Ate lunch with Henderson Thorne and Aaron Baker at the firehouse Cafe in Venice.. both great guys. .

As a teenager I'd travel a few hours to train at George turners gym in st louis.. many of the greats of that era trained there.. id see Tony pearson.. Jeff williams.. Samir .. Jeff king.. Dave johns.. cliff coons.. it was a great time to be there and see the greats of that era..

Got to see and talk with serge Nubret at the south Miami golds.. he was promoting shows at the time.. he had quite a few guys he was training at that gym.. nice guy.. one of his trainees said " serge is full of shit.. that one meal a day crap they wrote about back in the day was made up bullshit.. that man ate all day and took tons of thyroid and parabolan.. tons of pastries too".. lol

I watched Tony Pearson once do an hour of bench press combined with chins.. not supersetted.. but a set with 225.. then rest a minute and hit the chins.. then rest a minute or two and hit the bench.. this went on for about an hour.. then he combined bent over rows with wide grip dips for another hour.. lol.. Tony was thicker than most give him credit for..

I saw a couple of top pros In the day and top females attend a house party and it turned into a full blown nude pool party.. my wife wasn't having it lol.. party cut short..

I told this to some of the admin here but I sat at a table of a big supplier back in the day and had two top pros at the time purchasing gear..lol. they both were pretty broke so they were buying what they could afford and one still owed money lol. So his off season was pretty limited that year.. lol one just got finished doing private nude modeling sessions so he had more money than the other .. but thats a whole different story all together 🤣
That’s what I’m talking about! Glad you chimed in man you got some real gold on the on the Golden Era. Do post more even if a cut and paste. Love love love your stories (“Story time” . . . remember? I couldn’t wait for
your posts. They were priceless.)
 
I love this topic, it's great that @LATS chimed in.
@alfresco
@LATS

Is there anyone from this era who made the biggest impression on you? Any sight that stands out in your memory?
 

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