The Gynecomastia surgery thread

[td]

I was awake too and the lipo was aggressive. It's not pain because you're sedated pretty well. But it's also not comfortable.

Glad to hear the procedure went well. Be patient. Wear that stupid vest as instructed. Heal up!

 

[Splitzz]

Glad it went well! I should really just schedule this for later in the year. Was there a long wait for the appointment? Don’t remember if you stated this already

 

[Sectør]

Glad it went well! I should really just schedule this for later in the year. Was there a long wait for the appointment? Don’t remember if you stated this already

The surgeon I went with—it all happened very fast

So initially I was eyeing one surgeon who couldn’t get me a consultation for 2 weeks

Then I kept looking around and making calls, found my current surgeon and gave them a call Thursday, they got me in for a consult Friday, then I had the surgery today (Monday)—so it was very fast, much faster than I imagined (which I prefer anyways, the less time thinking about it the better)

If you choose a surgeon that does the free consultation thing chances are they’ll be booked out a good bit because they get a lot of curious people looking for information. This current surgeon charges a consultation fee of $200, which I’m assuming is why he had much better availability (because most people wouldn’t just pay a random fee unless they were seriously considering it)—so it worked out there.

I’m also in kind of a populated main city which also factors in as there’s more options. Less populated areas could have more limited options and bigger wait times

I was awake too and the lipo was aggressive. It's not pain because you're sedated pretty well. But it's also not comfortable.

Glad to hear the procedure went well. Be patient. Wear that stupid vest as instructed. Heal up!

will do man! I appreciate the well wishes

And I think you nailed it perfectly. Wasn’t painful at all, just slightly a strange sensation to hear some saw tool buzzing, then feel some pressure, then the feeling of a rubber band snapping in your chest, then some kind of burning smell which I assume is some slight cauterizarion of sorts to stop bleeding. Been through way worse but definitely an interesting sensation


I guess other notes:
Feeling much better right now than I expected. The numbing wore off and I do feel like a horse kicked me in the chest now, but idk I guess I just envisioned it being much worse in my mind. This is definitely manageable

- I’ll be running ss-31 at 15mg/day until it heals
-I also did 10mg kpv subq into the stomach which I’m hoping should help a good bit. Not sure if I’ll stay at 10mg kpv/day as its a high dose, and I was doing more reading and you don’t want to completely remove inflammation as it’s important for blood clot stabilization, collagen remodeling and angiogenesis (formation of new blood vessels). I figured one bolus dosage should be enough to help get the inflammation moving in a more controlled direction (there will still be plenty of inflammation leftover tommorow) then from here I’m thinking more like 3mg kpv/day from tommorow forward for a more controlled inflammation/healing approach.

 

[bbxtreme]

The surgeon I went with—it all happened very fast

So initially I was eyeing one surgeon who couldn’t get me a consultation for 2 weeks

Then I kept looking around and making calls, found my current surgeon and gave them a call Thursday, they got me in for a consult Friday, then I had the surgery today (Monday)—so it was very fast, much faster than I imagined (which I prefer anyways, the less time thinking about it the better)

If you choose a surgeon that does the free consultation thing chances are they’ll be booked out a good bit because they get a lot of curious people looking for information. This current surgeon charges a consultation fee of $200, which I’m assuming is why he had much better availability (because most people wouldn’t just pay a random fee unless they were seriously considering it)—so it worked out there.

I’m also in kind of a populated main city which also factors in as there’s more options. Less populated areas could have more limited options and bigger wait times

will do man! I appreciate the well wishes

And I think you nailed it perfectly. Wasn’t painful at all, just slightly a strange sensation to hear some saw tool buzzing, then feel some pressure, then the feeling of a rubber band snapping in your chest, then some kind of burning smell which I assume is some slight cauterizarion of sorts to stop bleeding. Been through way worse but definitely an interesting sensation


I guess other notes:
Feeling much better right now than I expected. The numbing wore off and I do feel like a horse kicked me in the chest now, but idk I guess I just envisioned it being much worse in my mind. This is definitely manageable

- I’ll be running ss-31 at 15mg/day until it heals
-I also did 10mg kpv subq into the stomach which I’m hoping should help a good bit. Not sure if I’ll stay at 10mg kpv/day as its a high dose, and I was doing more reading and you don’t want to completely remove inflammation as it’s important for blood clot stabilization, collagen remodeling and angiogenesis (formation of new blood vessels). I figured one bolus dosage should be enough to help get the inflammation moving in a more controlled direction (there will still be plenty of inflammation leftover tommorow) then from here I’m thinking more like 3mg kpv/day from tommorow forward for a more controlled approach

I wouldn’t get to lost in peptides or anything right now. I’d take the week or two to let your body heal and rest. You’ll be better for it on the other side once you’re back in the gym.

It’ll look worse before it looks better, but it’ll be worth it in the end.

And @td is right- wear that stupid compression vest. It’s annoying, but is the quickest path to recovery. Rest up!

 

[KyleSmith1985]

Something I've recently learned is you can still get Deca and Tren gyno even when your prolactin is in range.

I had gyno surgery last year. It returned not even a year later. I crushed my estrogen and took Ralox. Helped a little. I got bloodwork done Prolactin came back in range. I popped a Caber out of desperation. Within days huge difference. For 3 weeks I ran 0.25 Caber 2x/week. Gyno is completely gone and I take P5P daily when running tren or deca which is basically always haha.

 

[Sectør]

Check these fuckers out. Big ones

This is what they took out of my chest. Left side was way worse, pretty much the size of a 10cc syringe, but obviously wider

 

[ZaddyZonar]

Check these fuckers out. Big ones

This is what they took out of my chest. Left side was way worse, pretty much the size of a 10cc syringe, but obviously wider

View attachment 247868

Yeah that’s gnarly. Didn’t expect that from your photos you’ve posted

 

[Sectør]

Yeah that’s gnarly. Didn’t expect that from your photos you’ve posted

Probably because I was taking 20mg nolvadex, 60mg raloxifene ed with crashed estrogen. If I iced my chest for 15-20 minutes before the picture it would look relatively normal in the picture, but then 10-20 mins later it would just go back to that puffy gyno look.

It was moreso about just temporarily masking it. It’s Been there for a long time

 

[Splitzz]

How you doing today otherwise?

 

[Sectør]

How you doing today otherwise?

Pretty decent considering. Very tender but that’s to be expected.

Don’t want to take the pain meds they gave me because I don’t want that to become a habit, so just sticking with the anti inflammatory they prescribed for now .

All things considered though it’s going pretty well. Can finallt take the wraps off and shower in 2 days from now which I’m very much looking forward to.

I appreciate you asking

 

[Splitzz]

Pretty decent considering. Very tender but that’s to be expected.

Don’t want to take the pain meds they gave me because I don’t want that to become a habit, so just sticking with the anti inflammatory they prescribed for now .

All things considered though it’s going pretty well. Can finallt take the wraps off and shower in 2 days from now which I’m very much looking forward to.

I appreciate you asking

Yeah man absolutely. I won’t take pain meds anymore either from having a bad past with them in my younger days. Glad it went well

 

[Team Gunner]

Has anyone in the U.S. ever been able to get insurance to pay for it ?
Like their Dr. said it was medically necessary procedure.

 

[TrippplePPP]

I wish I saw this early to wish luck. Glad you’re doing well. Keep us in formed on the recovery process. Looking forward to seeing your before and after pics.

 

[Sectør]

Has anyone in the U.S. ever been able to get insurance to pay for it ?
Like their Dr. said it was medically necessary procedure.

I think it’s very rare. You would need a long list of documentation that supports the discomfort and quality of life reduction, multiple bloodwork tests, basically just ample amounts of documents over years showing that the surgery is an absolute necessity—and even then insurance may still deny it (you know how insurance companies are)


Other note:
I did speak to the surgeon yesterday evening, he cleared me to shower today (so I was able to get a good look at it). Not really a whole lot of bruising. My chest is definitely inflamed and swollen, but that’s expected. It looks way better than I thought it would. My nipples however look like someone took scissors to a pepperoni and cut it from a 360 degree angle. I won’t be posting after pictures until it fully heals, but for 48 hours post op, I think it looks very good so far, and will continue to get better by the day/week

Been wearing the compression garments religiously. Bought some small under Armour compression shirts to wear under the vest, then have the compression vest ontop of it so it should be enough

 

[td]

My nipples however look like someone took scissors to a pepperoni and cut it from a 360 degree angle. I won’t be posting after pictures until it fully heals, but for 48 hours post op, I think it looks very good so far, and will continue to get better by the day/week

Been wearing the compression garments religiously. Bought some small under Armour compression shirts to wear under the vest, then have the compression vest ontop of it so it should be enough

I expect they went in through the armpit and nipple? One of my nipples looked like it was folded. That really worried me. But it was just the sutures combined with localized swelling. There's now just a small scar but you wouldn't see it unless I showed you.

Continue being patient.

 

[Sectør]

I expect they went in through the armpit and nipple? One of my nipples looked like it was folded. That really worried me. But it was just the sutures combined with localized swelling. There's now just a small scar but you wouldn't see it unless I showed you.

Continue being patient.

Yeah he did armpit for one side of the lipo, and on the other side he went in through a scar that was below my chest

Then for the gland removal like you said he went through the nipples.

I’m pretty optimistic about how it’s going to turn out, honestly the nipple thing looks the worst of it, the actual chest doesn’t look too bad, not much bruising just some inflammation.

I think for most people it takes 4-6 weeks to get that fully healed, more permanent chest contour, so for 48 hours post op I’m feeling pretty good about it. Hoping I can atleast get back to training legs march 2nd when I have the in person appointment.

Your surgery turned out amazing by the way. Your guy really did a good job. I’d be very happy if I Have similar results to you

 

[Sectør]

Updated peptide protocols

Day 3:
Kpv 6mg (830am)
Bpc157 2mg (830am)
Ss-31 20mg (830am)
Mots-c (830am)
Kpv 6mg (1pm)
Bpc157 2mg (1pm)
Kpv 6mg (715pm)

Day 4
Kpv 6mg (920am)
Bpc157 2mg (920am)
Ss31 15mg (920am)
Mots c 4mg (920am)
Kpv 9mg (130pm)
Bpc157 2mg (130pm)
Kpv 6mg (730pm)

Day 5
Kpv 6mg (8am)
Bpc157 2mg (8am)
Ss-31 20mg (130pm)
Kpv 9mg (8pm)
Bpc157 3mg (8pm)

Day 6
Kpv 9mg (8am)
Bpc157 3mg (8am)
Ss-31 25mg (8am)
Kpv 6mg (3pm)
Bpc157 3mg (3pm)
Kpv 6mg (10pm)
Bpc157 3mg (10pm)

Other notes:

Note 1
Dropping mots-c. No negatives interactions, seems to be helpful, but the weight is falling off too fast (the water weight loss from dropping gh, the water weight loss from dropping down to actual trt doses, the glycogen loss from not being able to train, combined with probably not eating much as I should. I’m eating about 3k calories a day which should be maintenance considering the low activity, just don’t need anything that’s lowering blood glucose or increasing metabolism (see note 2))

Note 2: dropping Reta and all GLPs completely. Relates to note 1. Im staying very lean, no fat has been added, but the scale is dropping faster than I’d like. Not too worried as long as I don’t add fat, everything will come back stupidly fast when I hop back on blast and put the gh back in at a later date. Will probably just run high test when I get back into the gym, then a few weeks later I’ll add the gh back in (so that I don’t add too much water too quickly and have edema and/or BP issues)

Note 3: will be adding glutathione in today (day 7). 400mg eod. Reduces oxidative stress, and could help the cells repair faster from the surgical trauma. Also should have my immune system humming on all cylinders and keep my liver enzymes healthy. Some research shows it can also help with lowering inflammation signals and improve swelling control. Other research shows it could improve skin tone and scar appearance. Adding this certainty isn’t going to hurt

Note 4:
The healing is going incredibly*** well, especially since ramping up the bpc the last few days. The wound has clotted, bleeding risk is minimal (important for the angiogenesis effects of bpc), so bpc will be going up, dosed 3x a day, I’ll probably pull back the kpv dosing a bit since inflammation is coming down rapidly, both will stay in until I use the whole kit. As for the healing, there’s been no negative or adverse effects to note. The main concerns were hematoma, Serona, inflammation, and proper lymphatic flow. Again, the healing is going as well and about as fast as it could without compromising the surgery recover. No hard lumps or scar tissue or fibrosis or overactive fibroblast activation to note, will continue to monitor. I have an appointment with the surgeon a week from now so I’ll get a lot of answers then on my return to the gym and what I will and won’t be able to do. I’m really hoping at minimum I can return to light leg training at start of week 2 (spamming leg extensions/leg curls/calves/abductors/adductors/etc everyday most likely)

Disclaimer: this is my own experiment, not medical advice. The doses are heavy because I have a certain goal in mind in recovering as fast as possible while limiting surgery risks, and have done months and months of heavy research before implementing this, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily safe, nor am I reccomending other people follow it as outcomes will vary person to person and based on the extent of the surgery damage. Just documenting my experience so I have the data to correlate with the picture progression over time.

 

[dieselbuilder]

Check these fuckers out. Big ones

This is what they took out of my chest. Left side was way worse, pretty much the size of a 10cc syringe, but obviously wider

View attachment 247868

Jeez! Glad you’re doing well. Nice tits

 

[td]

Couple more weeks of healing down. How are you feeling @Sectør?

 

[Sectør]

Couple more weeks of healing down. How are you feeling @Sectør?

Appreciate the check in. I’ll just go ahead and post the photos even though the healing is far from over

Bottom left was the before picture, bottom right was 72 hours post op, and the top picture is 17 days post op

Been on actual trt the entire time, even on the bottom picture (stopped pinning 1.5-2 weeks prior to the surgery to let the bloods drop back into range quicker, no hgh, have lost some weight and glycogen from not really being able to train fully so there’s nothing impressive going on right now, but…. I’m pretty happy with the healing process so far and the glycogen and any muscle lost will come back stupidly fast once I hop back on cycle

Bruising was gone within 3 days, incision scars seem to be blending well, there’s still some chest inflammation and some scar tissue under the actual nipple I’m gently working out with lymphatic massages. Yesterday was the 3 week mark (21 days), so realistically the chest contour should continue improving over the next 3 weeks or so as inflammation settles and scar tissue gets broken up (so the top isn’t the final product, just a glimpse of how the healing is going so far)

Overall I’m happy with how things are going though. Was able to do some light leg training by day 8, some light bicep and tricep training by day 10, light lateral raises by day 12 (have still avoided back and any pressing movements for obvious reasons but I think I should be able to give back a try today, keep the weight light and go for more of a pump). I won’t touch chest training until 4 weeks post op, even though I feel like I probably could do some light stuff. I was fully expecting to be out the the gym for 3-4 weeks, so being back 8 days later (even if it’s just light pump work) has been a godsend as 8 days out of the gym had me going a bit stir crazy and feeling lazy as hell.

I’ll post an updated pic in 3 weeks or so when the healing finalizes more and I’ve had time to start filling back out. I’ll probably drop some high test in 4 weeks post op to make the rebound quick and smooth as I have a trip in June I need to look good for, which doesn’t leave me a lot of time