I don't think that aliens came but I think that people are always looking for new things to keep pushing the envelope. Listen man, I don't give a shit either way, more power to him. But I don't think everyone is taking the same thing and more, just my opinion so don't get pissed. I disagree with the "it was Ronnie genetics" argument also. I don't think that someone gets as far as Ronnie did and then all of a sudden make the jump that he did without something significant thrown in the mix. Why was he taking 15th if he has such great genetics? So you are telling me that he became an IFBB pro with out knowing how to eat? Or he wasn't training as hard/heavy and then just cranked up the intensity years after turning pro? Like I said this is just discussion, not a pissing match because I don't care either way, I just thought it was funny how everyone gets in a a tizzy when you mention the possibility that something was added to his program that made a dramatic difference. Not a gradual change either, a one year explosion. I was there when Ronnie won his first "O" and I have nothing but respect for him and think he is one of the best ever.