The PCT to end all!!???

[dragonfire101]

Once Ive mixed the Hgc with the liquid and put it back in the fridge how long would it last?

At least 30 days maybe a little more. The presciption HCG I get says on the insert to use within 60 days once mixed.

 

[The Wolf]

Ok so I guess I would divide that in 4 or 8 and take a shot every week or every 4 days?

 

[ironone1]

Ok so I guess I would divide that in 4 or 8 and take a shot every week or every 4 days?

Yeah, sounds about right. You should go through a vial a month so you'll be ok if its in the fridg.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Great reading. I don't have any scientific studies or undergraduate articles but this is what finally worked to get me started again (a BAD shutdown too)

HCG 250iu ED for one month
last week of HCG, 40mg tamoxifen, 1mg anastrazole
2. 30mg/1mg
3. 20mg/.5mg
4. 10mg/.5mg
5. 10mg/.5mg
6. .5mg
7..... RARHHHH!!!

 

[HELLA SWOLE]

So you recovered in 7 weeks? You didn't use any clomid?
How did you feel during the PCT? Thanks for sharing OTH....

 

[ironone1]

Great reading. I don't have any scientific studies or undergraduate articles but this is what finally worked to get me started again (a BAD shutdown too)

HCG 250iu ED for one month
last week of HCG, 40mg tamoxifen, 1mg anastrazole
2. 30mg/1mg
3. 20mg/.5mg
4. 10mg/.5mg
5. 10mg/.5mg
6. .5mg
7..... RARHHHH!!!

I hear mixed opinions on using a-dex PCT. I don't know if that's such a good idea. I used aromasin during my last cycle but cut it off at the end because I heard long term use of AI's screws up your cholesterol . I just used Nolva, clomid, HCG and BCAA's, along with cialis and some OTC libido enhancers.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I hear mixed opinions on using a-dex PCT. I don't know if that's such a good idea. I used aromasin during my last cycle but cut it off at the end because I heard long term use of AI's screws up your cholesterol . I just used Nolva, clomid, HCG and BCAA's, along with cialis and some OTC libido enhancers.

In no way I'm saying this is THE PCT for everyone but it's just what worked for me. My LH and FSH were low. I've switched over from clomiphene because clomid doesn't have the same effect on both LH and FSH that tamoxifen does. So I use tamoxifen now even though it's a libido killer. I don't use aromasin and yes, AI's will effect your lipid profile but we're talking PCT here. Short duration. Nolva and Clomid seems overkill. You just need to raise your estrogen levels high enough to create a negative feedback loop and you do it with a safe estrogen like tamoxifen or clomid like I used to use. But clomid really whacked out my vision and tamoxifen is 10x as potent mg per mg. The AI is important because your test is low. You don't need any converting to estrogen or DHT. Plus AI's also seem to raise your LH, FSH, and testosterone. You don't even need the HCG post cycle if you use small amounts along the way. I'll be doing thing different next time definitely but I just wanted to post what finally worked for me. Take it for what it's worth. Because I know that being shut down feels like complete SHIT.

 

[ironone1]

I've been PCT for about a month now and am feeling pretty good. A little tired but my sex drive is pretty good with the HCG and Serms. I wonder how I will be after PCT? Yeah you are right clomid messes with your vision. I seem to only get blurriness at higher doses when I front load it at the beginning. I've been on 100mg/day now with no problems and 20mg. nolva.

 

[Rogue]

Thatys what I recomend... 10mg-20mg tamoxiphene for 10-14 days post cycle.
Always worked for me...
Rogue

In no way I'm saying this is THE PCT for everyone
but it's just what worked for me. My LH and FSH were low. I've switched over from clomiphene because clomid doesn't have the same effect on both LH and FSH that tamoxifen does. So I use tamoxifen now even though it's a libido killer. I don't use aromasin and yes, AI's will effect your lipid profile but we're talking PCT here. Short duration. Nolva and Clomid seems overkill. You just need to raise your estrogen levels high enough to create a negative feedback loop and you do it with a safe estrogen like tamoxifen or clomid like I used to use. But clomid really whacked out my vision and tamoxifen is 10x as potent mg per mg. The AI is important because your test is low. You don't need any converting to estrogen or DHT. Plus AI's also seem to raise your LH, FSH, and testosterone. You don't even need the HCG post cycle if you use small amounts along the way. I'll be doing thing different next time definitely but I just wanted to post what finally worked for me. Take it for what it's worth. Because I know that being shut down feels like complete SHIT.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

So you recovered in 7 weeks? You didn't use any clomid?
How did you feel during the PCT? Thanks for sharing OTH....

hey bro, sorry for the late response but I felt terrible for the first 2 weeks. It was a job just getting out of bed. After 2 months, I'm functionng normally in and out of the gym if you catch my drift. Remember though, I was on for almost a year "blasting and cruising" as they say.

I did keep a lot of muscle but it wasn't easy. A lot of hard work and dieting. Lifting, eating, and resting. The supps were the smallest part of that equation. I can't say I could have gained 20lbs of muscle in the last two years naturally though so like I said. take it for what it's worth.

 

[dragonfire101]

I think some form of treatment should be added to PCT in regards to the adrenal glands being taxed so hard during a cycle and central nervous system.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I think some form of treatment should be added to PCT in regards to the adrenal glands being taxed so hard during a cycle and central nervous system.

You mean like a benzodiazepine?

 

[dragonfire101]

You mean like a benzodiazepine?

People love Bezo's. 90% of my case load the clients like to abuse benzos and alcohol.

I’m suggesting a Nootropic such as Piracetam and then supplements such as below to help with cortisol and adrenal fatigue.

Vitamin C, 3000 mg a day
DHEA, 50 mg a day
L-theanine, 100-400 mg a day
Pantothenic acid (vitamin B5), 1500 mg a day
Melatonin, 300 mcg-6 mg (at bedtime)
Phosphatidylserine capsules, 600 mg a day
Licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra), no more than 1000 mg of glycyrrhizin
Freeze-dried Adrenal Cortex such as Isocort

 

[The Wolf]

I had the same question on another board. One vet suggested that you reconstitute the whole vial of 5000 i.u. Then draw the whole contents up in a slin pin. Shoot 500 i.u. at a time and place the pin back in the refrigerator. Use a new slin needle of course for each injection.

Wouldnt the slin pins be too small for a intramuscular injection?

 

[ironone1]

Wouldnt the slin pins be too small for a intramuscular injection?

Well I don't know to be honest with you, I've never tried it before. I'm just going by what one of the mods said and others. I'm using a 23g pin right now for my HCG. You could probably use a 25g pin if you are not worried about dosing things precisely. The slin pin gives you i.u.'s on it.

 

[dragonfire101]

Acctually there where studies made by 3 italian scientist in 1999 regarding Licorice.

Yes I remeber seeing these talske dabout in some mags a few years back about the licorice lowering T. I myself wouln't use all the above supplements for adrenal fatigue.

Most likely the DHEA,Melatonin, Phosphatidylserine and Isocort

 

[roidrage]

I just wanted to check in on the supplements suggested, since most of my PCT treatment was concentrated on estrogen/cortisol suppresion, so your info about adding some form of recovery to the adrenal glands are greatly appriciated.

However, after reading articles/post about PCT that made my head spin several times, I am still puzzled that there seem to be so few that take the homeostasis and aromatisation aspect into consideration when coming of an AAS treatment and begining a PCT protocol.

 

[KillerStack]

Wouldnt the slin pins be too small for a intramuscular injection?

Just shoot it subcutaneously like hGH. You don't have to shoot it IM.

 

[KillerStack]

Most likely the DHEA,Melatonin, Phosphatidylserine and Isocort

DHEA is probably not a good idea, especially at a higher dosage. You don't want to ingest any suppressive compounds when you already have trouble recovering.

 

[KillerStack]

I think some form of treatment should be added to PCT in regards to the adrenal glands being taxed so hard during a cycle and central nervous system.

Why are adrenal glands taxed hard during a cycle?