The preworkout thread

[TheOneAlone]

Anyone try Leviathan by God Status Labz ?

 

[hardcorespazz]

BSN no explode

 

[Wildcat37]

I can now second that El Jefe by ASC Supplements is very good. Will be a mainstay for leg day.

Also, add me to those that believe that Excelsior's formula has been changed in latest batches. Still delivers, but sleep disruption is noticeable. 2 bouts of insomnia after using the last 2 times..... I generally workout around 10am and get to bed around midnight, so that is over 12 hours - side effects should be worn off.

 

[Virtuous]

Frenzy Labz Demolish hit really good this morning

 

[TheOneAlone]

Frenzy Labz Demolish hit really good this morning View attachment 134549

Looks like a heavy hitter.

 

[Virtuous]

Looks like a heavy hitter.

I lift at 4 am most days lol

 

[TheOneAlone]

I lift at 4 am most days lol

I'd need 3 scoops lmao

 

[g-protein]

Those who take heavy stim based pwo's regularly: how do you sleep?

Weirdly I feel I sleep better than normal and wake up more refreshed when I take dmha early in the day/morning, but if I take a pwo containing dmha later in the day my sleep suffers as I have a hard time falling asleep. Once I fall asleep I sleep pretty good enough, subjectively rating.

I have a CPAP and every time I dose dmha in the early morning I get a much lower AHI score (indicating less sleep obstructive apneas during sleep which is a good thing). Wondering if my sleep never gets deep enough to cause the muscles to relax and the airways to collapse or what is happening here.. but the dmha is definitely doing something as this happens every single time lol.

 

[opietaylor]

out of sheer curiosity have any of you guys checked your BP and RHR when your all amped up. not knocking anyone for using these just curious. cant imagine what mine was when we were free to abuse the shit of mini-thins.

 

[warlock]

I normally prefer to mix my own pre-workout drink using citrulline, taurine, beta alanine, EAA's, pink salt, creatine, glutamine, etc...I'm looking to purchase a stim-free tub that already has a lot of ingredients so that I can just save some time. Added nootropics would be a nice bonus.

I was looking at Nutrabio Pre Stim-free, Full as Fck, and alpha lion pump stimulant-free pre-workout.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

 

[Knight9]

I normally prefer to mix my own pre-workout drink using citrulline, taurine, beta alanine, EAA's, pink salt, creatine, glutamine, etc...I'm looking to purchase a stim-free tub that already has a lot of ingredients so that I can just save some time. Added nootropics would be a nice bonus.

I was looking at Nutrabio Pre Stim-free, Full as Fck, and alpha lion pump stimulant-free pre-workout.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

PreJym (has l-tyrosine, alpha-gpc, huperzine) as well as BCAA's, Taurine, Beet root, Betaine(TMG), Taurine, Creatine, Citrulline Malate, Beta Alanine, NAC. Best formula and product I have ever used and this is going on 7 or 8 yrs.

 

[warlock]

PreJym (has l-tyrosine, alpha-gpc, huperzine) as well as BCAA's, Taurine, Beet root, Betaine(TMG), Taurine, Creatine, Citrulline Malate, Beta Alanine, NAC. Best formula and product I have ever used and this is going on 7 or 8 yrs.

Thanks knight. I remember you mentioning this product before, but had forgotten about it. I'll check it out now. Sounds like it could have everything I need.

 

[Knight9]

Thanks knight. I remember you mentioning this product before, but had forgotten about it. I'll check it out now. Sounds like it could have everything I need.

I still have always liked to add..
+6g citrulline malate
+8-10g Hydromax
+2-3g Taurine

and lately I have been also adding..
8-10g Beet Root Powder
1 scoop electrolytes
10g EAA

Ideally, i will probably move the hydromax, taurine, electrolytes and EAA along w/ HBCD into an intra workout when I incorporate that again.

Oh yeah..and Cialis is a great addition as well. 5-10mg or 20mg e2-3d.

 

[Elvia1023]

I normally prefer to mix my own pre-workout drink using citrulline, taurine, beta alanine, EAA's, pink salt, creatine, glutamine, etc...I'm looking to purchase a stim-free tub that already has a lot of ingredients so that I can just save some time. Added nootropics would be a nice bonus.

I was looking at Nutrabio Pre Stim-free, Full as Fck, and alpha lion pump stimulant-free pre-workout.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

There are many good stim free preworkouts. I would recommend one with nootropics to give a little boost without any strong stimulants...

Innovapharm Novapump Neuro
SuperHuman Pump

Here are two that look good but I haven't used so if you do please post your findings in this thread...

Conteh Sports- Mega Pump
Supplement Needs Pre Pump+

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[warlock]

There are many good stim free preworkouts. I would recommend one with nootropics to give a little boost without any strong stimulants...

Innovapharm Novapump Neuro
SuperHuman Pump

Here are two that look good but I haven't used so if you do please post your findings in this thread...

Conteh Sports- Mega Pump
Supplement Needs Pre Pump+

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Thanks Elvia! I'll check those out too.

 

[Elvia1023]

Those who take heavy stim based pwo's regularly: how do you sleep?

Weirdly I feel I sleep better than normal and wake up more refreshed when I take dmha early in the day/morning, but if I take a pwo containing dmha later in the day my sleep suffers as I have a hard time falling asleep. Once I fall asleep I sleep pretty good enough, subjectively rating.

I have a CPAP and every time I dose dmha in the early morning I get a much lower AHI score (indicating less sleep obstructive apneas during sleep which is a good thing). Wondering if my sleep never gets deep enough to cause the muscles to relax and the airways to collapse or what is happening here.. but the dmha is definitely doing something as this happens every single time lol.

I notice the same. If I take a standard preworkout I always sleep fine. Now if it has some of the more exotic/stronger stims then I will need over 8 hours before I go to bed. However if I take a strong product earlier in the day I usually sleep better later on. When that happens I simply get more done in the day and exert much more energy (dmha etc increases metabolic rate) so that will be a large reason for that. Many will even crash from the stronger stims later in the day so that is another factor.

The reason you sleep better from your dmha is simply due to the fact it's a decongestant and bronchodilator. Therefore it will increase the air flow and improve your ability to breathe through the night. Stims get a bad rap but they aren't all bad

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[maxmusle1]

I normally prefer to mix my own pre-workout drink using citrulline, taurine, beta alanine, EAA's, pink salt, creatine, glutamine, etc...I'm looking to purchase a stim-free tub that already has a lot of ingredients so that I can just save some time. Added nootropics would be a nice bonus.

I was looking at Nutrabio Pre Stim-free, Full as Fck, and alpha lion pump stimulant-free pre-workout.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

I have used the SWFT PUMP (stim free) , they have gummi fish and pink starblast, Citrus, it works well. No stims/caffeine.
Max

 

[warlock]

I have used the SWFT PUMP (stim free) , they have gummi fish and pink starblast, Citrus, it works well. No stims/caffeine.
View attachment 138920Max

Thanks a lot bro. I'm going to look into this too. I'd like to buy one over the next few days. So far the suggestions have been great.

 

[Omegasox]

I’ve been rotating Wild Thing, Seismic Surge, Edge of Insanity and Mesomorph for a couple years now. Seismic Surge is almost too strong some days. Wild Thing is a nice, consistent one. Mesomorph isn’t as good as it once was but I still like it.

 

[warlock]

PreJym (has l-tyrosine, alpha-gpc, huperzine) as well as BCAA's, Taurine, Beet root, Betaine(TMG), Taurine, Creatine, Citrulline Malate, Beta Alanine, NAC. Best formula and product I have ever used and this is going on 7 or 8 yrs.

I checked this out and it's a really solid product. I love all the ingredients, except the caffeine, as I don't want to have any at the moment. I checked their post-workout recovery formula and it has a lot of the ingredients I'd like to use pre or intra-workout: L-Leucine , L-Glutamine, Creatine Hydrochloride, Beta Alanine (as Carnoyn), LCarnitine L-Tartrate (as Carnipure), Betaine (Trimethylglycine), BCAA's.

The only drawback is that it does not have citrulline which I like to include or any nootropics, but perhaps I can buy them separate.