but also lets be honest with here...tim martin has marks of gh injections all over his torso....get the fuck out of here...Skip lacour is another liar , ask him about his guru in Miami...so was Jeff Willet...call me hater all u want but that's that....I personally know 3 top Musclemania competitors ( 1 from Spain) who use short esthers and time them perfectly..if you think just because they pass lie detector test they're natty you got another thing coming..it;s all fixed ,especially Musclemania to promote the organization and keep the name clean.