this guy claims that all gains from steroids will be lost

red5260 · Jan 28, 2009

oh boy. I bet this will make alot of guys here mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ewmP1L7ro&feature=channel_page

Now I haven't juiced (yet). Still learning before I take that step. I thought if a guy lost his gains from juicing, it was because of poor or no PCT. Is this correct?

matttx · Jan 28, 2009

i like how he says its the easy way out..in my opinion steroids dont make it easier it makes it possible. you still have to keep a clean diet and work twice as hard in the gym.

DetroitDawg · Jan 28, 2009

That dude is a fucking idiot.He has no idea what he is talking about.I have lived this,not just read some bs report.

chop · Jan 28, 2009

i dont agree with all that he said but i can tell u after being in this game for 20 plus yrs. i have never see anyone keep there gains once they have guit ass use at least not the gains beyond there genetic potental. when i say quit aas use i mean completely give it up forever. not a 4-8 week break. that being said i believe the enhanced athete trains harder than anyone in the gym..

oldfella · Jan 28, 2009

HAHAHAHAHAHA

"Love your body and I'll see ya next time". "Unless you come over to my place after training and then I'll love your body for ya!"

Another misinformed uneducated propaganda spewing moron.

A whole host of cancers associated with AAS use? where is the proof that AAS causes cancer?

You will not lose all your gains at cessation of use. If you follow proper training and diet guidlines you will in fact retain a large portion of those gains. Now if you stop training hard, eat a lower calorie diet and stop AAS use then yes you bet your ass you will lose all your gains and then some. But then so would nature boy there if he did the same!!!

I am not pro or anti-AAS you make your own choices here. But at least you should be given correct information about that choice, not some scare mongerring from a self proclaimed guru on the internet. Are there sode effects? Hell yes there are. Will you lose all of your gains once you stop? Not always! Will AAS give you cancer? Well we have no conclusive evidence or studies connecting steriods to cancer or death.

About the only fact this guy stated was about protein synthesis. That part is true!

damien888 · Jan 29, 2009

chop said:
i dont agree with all that he said but i can tell u after being in this game for 20 plus yrs. i have never see anyone keep there gains once they have guit ass use at least not the gains beyond there genetic potental. when i say quit aas use i mean completely give it up forever. not a 4-8 week break. that being said i believe the enhanced athete trains harder than anyone in the gym..

ditto

red5260 · Jan 29, 2009

I'm a little confused here. Chopper says he has never seen anyone keep their juice gains beyond their genetic potential. So if I grow naturally to my genetic potential (which I plan to do) and then go chemical, and then stop juicing but still lift......I will loose the muscle I earned from the juicing? I will not retain any of it? Will I have to keep juicing to keep the gains I made beyond my genetic potential? I realize that most loose some once they end their cycle, but I didn't think all of it.

oldfella · Jan 29, 2009

red5260 said:
I'm a little confused here. Chopper says he has never seen anyone keep their juice gains beyond their genetic potential. So if I grow naturally to my genetic potential (which I plan to do) and then go chemical, and then stop juicing but still lift......I will loose the muscle I earned from the juicing? I will not retain any of it? Will I have to keep juicing to keep the gains I made beyond my genetic potential? I realize that most loose some once they end their cycle, but I didn't think all of it.

No you will not lose muslce you gain while using AAS. You will lose it if you do not continue to train hard and with intensity and maintain high protein diets. I do not agree with him on his statement.

Once you actually gain LBM unless you stop lifting those gains for the most part will stay. But once the body perceives it has no need to be that big or strong bu not stimulating this new muslce mass it will shed it back to your genetic setpoint. Yes you will lose some of it, but you can retain a large portion of it under the right conditions

njpooldude · Jan 29, 2009

im not the perfct person to answer this thread but i do have some experince in this topic.

when i was younger, i was TINY... short and skinny... im still short :/ lol

my first cycle was your basic 10 weeks test and boy oh boy did i blow up.. and i knew nothing about diet and PCT

i lost ALOT of evrything i gained over that 10 week period, BUT i was still bigger then when i started..and stronger.. so no i dont think u lose everything. But liek alot of things i belive it all depends on your body, your diet and your ability to train hard even while not on anything...

oldfella knwos his shizit.. anything this guy writes, read it!! if your still learning before u take that "next step" u my friend shoudl be very very grateful u found this site

notsobig32 · Jan 29, 2009

i have my little tiny pic in my avatar right now. i have just come back(6 weeks ago) from a 2.5 year layoff with no gear, no working out nothing. I stayed right around 200lbs even with no training etc. I was about 240ish when i injured myself and took the layoff. You don't really lose it, you just are not going to be AS big and cut off the gear as you can be on it.

You will not lose all of your gains. i personally believe that GH helps to change someone's setpoint. This is purely anecdotal, if you want to know why or how or even if it does, we need to ask DatBTrue.

nartic · Jan 30, 2009

You never lose all your gains it depends on a lot of diffrenet things, Meal plan, workout, there are so many things that effect wither you keep all or most of your gains one thing for sure you never lose it all unless you go on a big crack binge lol.

notsobig32 · Jan 30, 2009

nartic said:
You never lose all your gains it depends on a lot of diffrenet things, Meal plan, workout, there are so many things that effect wither you keep all or most of your gains one thing for sure you never lose it all unless you go on a big crack binge lol.

nartic, its funny you say that i got very addicted to a recreational drug(not quite crack) during my 2 year layoff and i still never dipped below the 200lb mark. I honestly believe that being consistent over time and deoing all the right things changes the way your body looks permanently

tkav1980 · Jan 30, 2009

look i say lets leave this thread alone....the guy is obviously uneducated in the matter. that would be like me arguing philosohpy which i know nothing about. id like to see any type of negativity left off of this board. were all here to better ourselvs so lets stick to topics that can help everyone do just that.

nartic · Jan 30, 2009

tkav1980 said:
look i say lets leave this thread alone....the guy is obviously uneducated in the matter. that would be like me arguing philosohpy which i know nothing about. id like to see any type of negativity left off of this board. were all here to better ourselvs so lets stick to topics that can help everyone do just that.

Great idea