This years Olympia top 4 compared to 2010 Arnold..in your estimation

[Cinder]

Flex Wheel posted this the other day.

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Flex also used heavy diuretics like they all did which contributed to that look.
Also his arms are permanently f'd from those escalean injections, and idc what is said, he probably actually lost that leg from it too.
The worst example then was the blade dexter, no calves till show time?

 

[NEMSZ]

It’s actually very strange we don’t see more freaks coming into the sport given the popularity of weight training and PEDs. You would think there would be many young freaks even surpassing the 90s guys who looked insane at a young age such as Jay, branch, lee, flex, Shawn.
I don’t really buy the classic argument as I am not seeing a crazy level of young talent there either.

Not strange at all, in my opinion.. I bet there’s tons of untapped potential for bodybuilding out there in other sports that actually pay..

I know this is a bodybuilding forum but my goal isn’t to offend anyone here..

Imagine being the world champion of a professional sport and only making $1 million on a winning year, sure there’s endorsements but let’s not act like the endorsement deals are anywhere near as sweet as when Ronnie or Jay and some of those guys had them, they were making millions off endorsements alone back then.. I’d bet my last $1,000 most of the top 10 Olympians don’t see $50k-$100k net a year from endorsement deals..

So take that $1 mil, after taxes, expenses, management (if there is any), coach etc, and he’s lucky if he sees $500k out of that..

Most of the real top 1% genetic freaks are in the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL and shit, maybe even Soccer (Fútbol).. Who’s to say you don’t take Cristiano Ronaldo, for example and give him all the right variables and environment and he’s not Mr. Olympia caliber? After all, Nick Walker looked like a fucking nobody when he first started bodybuilding, love or hate his physique (I’m not a fan AT ALL) but you gota give credit where it’s due, the guy is absolutely massive.

So yea, I’d imagine the real talent and top tier genetics of the world are out there chasing multi million and in some cases, billion dollar contracts for far less risk to their health..

 

[bbxtreme]

I hate to sound like an old man with these statements but I believe this as well..because what else has changed? We used to get told squat ass to the grass...bury everything...train legs HARD. We rarely see guys going all out on legs (except Hadi lol). Leg training used to be the day that revealed the mice from men haha

We cant say its to much cardio because guys are doing much less these days for the most part across the board.

I think it’s just because guys today don’t squat. I’ll watch guys in the gym do anything but squat. They’ll use the hell out of the adductor machine, but not get near a squat rack. Lol

 

[Swifto]

I agree I wonder if Dorian, but more so Ronnie and Phil set the bar so high like a once in a generation type deal that it could be sometime until we see anything close to them

Top 5-10 in that mid to late 90’s also all some of the GOAT’s all in one era and lineup

I’ve heard it suggested that these guys who posses that level of potential are doing classic instead so we aren’t seeing them in open which speaking in regards to UK amateur bodybuilding does seem to be true maybe it’s cause the % of guys doing classic is way higher than those doing open or it just really rewards those with the best genetics as size isn’t a card you can overly play

However I don’t see anyone on the radar at the mr Olympia open class currently who could enter that GOAT category…big statement
I know and I may well be wrong

Nobody had Ronnie down as a GOAT between 1992 and 1997 when he placed from last to 9th either.

There are some interesting candidates I think such as a complete Martin or Vito.

Samson being consistent and making more improvements could dominate if he can nail condition year after year.

 

[dantes]

Not strange at all, in my opinion.. I bet there’s tons of untapped potential for bodybuilding out there in other sports that actually pay..

I know this is a bodybuilding forum but my goal isn’t to offend anyone here..

Imagine being the world champion of a professional sport and only making $1 million on a winning year, sure there’s endorsements but let’s not act like the endorsement deals are anywhere near as sweet as when Ronnie or Jay and some of those guys had them, they were making millions off endorsements alone back then.. I’d bet my last $1,000 most of the top 10 Olympians don’t see $50k-$100k net a year from endorsement deals..

So take that $1 mil, after taxes, expenses, management (if there is any), coach etc, and he’s lucky if he sees $500k out of that..

Most of the real top 1% genetic freaks are in the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL and shit, maybe even Soccer (Fútbol).. Who’s to say you don’t take Cristiano Ronaldo, for example and give him all the right variables and environment and he’s not Mr. Olympia caliber? After all, Nick Walker looked like a fucking nobody when he first started bodybuilding, love or hate his physique (I’m not a fan AT ALL) but you gota give credit where it’s due, the guy is absolutely massive.

So yea, I’d imagine the real talent and top tier genetics of the world are out there chasing multi million and in some cases, billion dollar contracts for far less risk to their health..

I see the point you are making but the thing is bodybuilding was never lucrative in comparison to football for example yet you still saw guys with ridiculous genetics like Ronnie, Kevin, Paul dillet etc. were still entering the sport. Also I don’t think Ronnie or Jay started bodybuilding for the money or were even aware of the contracts when they entered the sport

 

[dantes]

I hate to sound like an old man with these statements but I believe this as well..because what else has changed? We used to get told squat ass to the grass...bury everything...train legs HARD. We rarely see guys going all out on legs (except Hadi lol). Leg training used to be the day that revealed the mice from men haha

We cant say its to much cardio because guys are doing much less these days for the most part across the board.

It is strange given that most guys prioritize quad dominant movements like hacks and pendulum squats you would think that it would be the opposite and guys would have massive quads and smaller adductors

 

[Josefein421]

It is strange given that most guys prioritize quad dominant movements like hacks and pendulum squats you would think that it would be the opposite and guys would have massive quads and smaller adductors

Way heavier loads on hacks and pendulums thus way more effort required than sitting on the adductor.

 

[mexbeast]

Nobody had Ronnie down as a GOAT between 1992 and 1997 when he placed from last to 9th either.

There are some interesting candidates I think such as a complete Martin or Vito.

Samson being consistent and making more improvements could dominate if he can nail condition year after year.

You forgot about Andrew, i believe he has as good of condition as anyone else from any era

 

[traininsane11]

Yeah…. I don’t agree with this one

 

[nidnoy]

Agree, cutler is considered by many to be one of the greats. Samson is considered by no one to be one of the greats. And the eras are not that far apart. We are not talking the 1970’s vs now. Thats clickbait and talk for talks sake at its finest.

 

[AllOkJumpmaster]

Yeah…. I don’t agree with this one


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that cutler photo looks like it is filtered to make him look smooth, something is goofy there

 

[Yousef12O2]

Victor Martinez is smoking crack and ain't in his right mind.

 

[Worldsfastestfatty]

Im not a fan of bodybuilding shows but I've been around bodybuilding fans for 25 years and I have a few observations:

1) every year fans claim the Olympia line up was the worst ever
2) every year fans claim someone was "robbed", winner was the wrong guy
3) every year people bemoan the conditioning - that previous years were better conditioned
4) every year people say the generation 10-15 years before was better (In 2015 they were harking back to Ronnie and jay, In 2010 to the 90s guys).

I think like most things you guys have a romantic connection to the time when you first got into bodybuilding and nothing after can compare.

 

[A50#]

I was at that AC in person. I don't think anyone from this years Olympia would beat Phil or Kai

100% agree with you.

 

[FK86]

Victor Martinez is smoking crack and ain't in his right mind.

Probably still mad about 2007, which he should have won.