To the DC guys..does anyone else do this?

[BALDNAZI]

I had some success with DC in the past so I am giving it another go.This past week has been excellent and I already am seeing a difference,DC routines are amazing.

Anyway,what I have done in the past and what I am doing now is after the rest pause set and before the stretching I add 1 set of about 12 reps of an iso.

So for example after I do heavy inclines rest paused DC style,I wait about 60 seconds, grab a pair of dumbells and do incline flyes as heavy as I can get 10-12 reps and then I do my stretch.It has worked in the past and I have decided to do it this way again.

I only do the iso for chest(flyes) and delts(laterals) however,as back width/and back thickness already is enough work for the lats,and arms and legs get enough stimulation anyway.I just feel that after the heavy rest pauses for chest and shoulders I like to just add that 1 extra thing.What do you guys think?

 

[abadseal]

I have awesome results both strength and size wise but I modified the program a little. I changed around the split to so I had less fatigue for the last couple exercises and I though if one all out exercise works this well lets see what happened when I try 2. Sure enough it worked even better so I use 2 exercises. The first with multiple warm-ups then the heavy set and the second exercise I just jump right into the one heavy set and that's all.

 

[HELLA SWOLE]

I am no expert on DC training, but I am doing DC right now. I would say you are fine if you have decent recovery abilities (unlike myself) and also since you are only doing it for chest and delts, but I would definitely keep a close eye on your recovery. I would take a cruise t the slightest sign of CNS burnout to prevent over training.

 

[ghostdog128]

Baldnazi,
I remember reading a thread of yours awhile back, can't remember how long ago, where you were doing the fullbody routine 3x/week. How did that work out for you?

Just asking because I've been doing something similar to the workout in your old thread and I love it. I have done DC as well and loved that too, but now I'm stuck on this high frequency kick.

 

[db006]

i cant see what the point would be. especially if you are talking only one more set. the whole idea of DC is annihilate and recover. thats work the workset is for.

 

[BALDNAZI]

The point

Simple DB, I feel like those 2 bodyparts respond well to a compound and an iso,always have.Again,Im not doing multiple sets,its just a finisher for me.So 1 big set rest paused and then 1 straight set iso.It comes out to 2 sets total when you think about it,the rest pause being one and the iso being 2.Then the stretch.Try it.

The pump in my chest and delts is awesome,and I do not feel like its cutting into my recovery ability.If that happens I will go on a cruise and go back again,or eliminate the iso completely and do pure DC.Its to early to tell now,but it didnt really kill me in the past.

Ghostdog,I did great on the full body routine,but I burned out on it.For the way I like to train heavy,going to failure etc. it was too much on the CNS.
If your going to just do it short of failure maybe it would work,but I still think the volume is too much.Thats why Im trying DC again.I get to train hard and heavy,but quickly and recover then do it again in a couple days.

Hella,yea brother,thats exactly my plan.If I see progress halting then I will change it or cruise.

Abadseal,I know DC hates when we modify this stuff and still call it DC but I have to give him credit for giving us the program as is.I see nothing wrong with using the principles and adjusting slightly to fit your needs and abilities.

I would love to see DCs comments on what Im doing.Im sure he will disagree,but Im interested in hearing it from him.

 

[mrsoul]

I LIKE THE IDEA OF A FINISHING SET, BUT IT CONTRIDICTS DC TRAINING. THE WHOLE POINT TO DC IS THAT ONCE YOU HAVE TAXED THE MUSCLE 100% THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. ANYHTING ELSE PAST THE REST PAUSE SET IS SAID TO HINDER RECOVERY.

 

[db006]

THE WHOLE POINT TO DC IS THAT ONCE YOU HAVE TAXED THE MUSCLE 100% THERE IS NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. ANYHTING ELSE PAST THE REST PAUSE SET IS SAID TO HINDER RECOVERY.

thats exactly it. theres so much more work to do after chest, i wouldnt even consider more. i even self prscribed myself a widowmaker for chest, since its lagging, but soon realized just to bomb away, and stick to the plan. then walla....i have a new chest

 

[wakejump4me]

hey BN ,

what split are you doing ? as far as your extra chest set , try to get a copy of the DVD '' project super heavyweight '' . the whole DVD is showing DC training . it also covers the part , where a widowmaker , for chest (as well for others too), is added . awesome DVD .

wake

 

[Bigredpits]

don't add anything

I would drop the extra stuff your doing like flyes and whatever else its not DC training. DC training only works if you do it the way it was supposed to don't add anything it has been proven for years. I don't understand why people want add on to routines like its not already good enough. Stick to the program and you will see results...i promise.

 

[wakejump4me]

. DC training only works if you do it the way it was supposed to don't add anything it has been proven for years. I don't understand why people want add on to routines like its not already good enough. Stick to the program and you will see results...i promise.

exactly .

wake

 

[Got Juice]

BN, I know what you are saying, its nice to get that little extra pump going on. I never feel a HUGE pump off DC like I would doing more sets/reps, but I must say when I did DC I felt pretty good.

I would stick with it for a while and when you feel like changing up from DC start doing more volume at that point. I doubt doing the extra set is going to ruin the whole work out though.

Good luck

 

[FastFrank]

If it works for you, use it.

Im getting excellent gains with the basic DC template. But if gains started to slow down, I would start doing things like BN mentioned for sure.

I to never really get a pump, a pump isnt really a sign of a good workout IMO, neither is DOMS.

 

[abadseal]

BN, I know a lot of people call blasphemy when it's modified that's why I was hesitant to respond with my modified program but just as the last poster said if it works do it and well, it's working.

 

[Iabadman]

What's up bro?[good to see you posting more ] .........I have been trying to find some time to give you a call ,but things have been crazy .......glad to hear that you are training hard and heavy ..........Here is the thing that I want people on this board to realize out of respect for my friend Dante and his system . If you aren't doing exactly as Dante has outlined in his program ,then you aren't DC'ing it . Guys Dante is a very bright . If he thought that adding an iso exercise would allow for better gains he would have . I was fortunate to see this system develop from it's on set .[ although I would be lying ,if I said I knew what he was doing with his top people at this time ......the guy is constantly making adjustments along the way .......so my knowledge may have been left in the dust by now ]
The point that I am trying to make is , trust the man and his system . He really knows his stuff and will not steer you guys wrong what so ever. [ just like in his supplement business , you can trust that all his products are the best out there ] And rememebr ,it is his system that has made guys grow so well .[ the diet , supps methods , streching , training] If you are doing only part of his methods then you aren't using system or doing it justice.

When I hear people doing their own thing and calling it DC it bums me out cuz that is when guys are just cheating themselves out of great gains. And not doing all the hard work that Dante put into developing his system justice. So if you if you want to make great gains in the fastest way possible . Research his ideas , go to his home board [ intensemucle.com], and maybe contact the man himself to seek advice........but follow the whole system .........Otherwise ,wise you are just rest pausing and using a similar split . But you are not DCing..........I want you guys to get the best out his system and methods .[ especially my Blad brother ] so follow his whole system to a tee . I promise it will be very worth it . [ This would also guys following Phil's methods .....it is his routine , supplement advice , and diets that make the crazy gains .....it is the sum of the parts , that make these great systems so effective]

 

[bulldog21]

What's up bro?[good to see you posting more ] .........I have been trying to find some time to give you a call ,but things have been crazy .......glad to hear that you are training hard and heavy ..........Here is the thing that I want people on this board to realize out of respect for my friend Dante and his system . If you aren't doing exactly as Dante has outlined in his program ,then you aren't DC'ing it . Guys Dante is a very bright . If he thought that adding an iso exercise would allow for better gains he would have . I was fortunate to see this system develop from it's on set .[ although I would be lying ,if I said I knew what he was doing with his top people at this time ......the guy is constantly making adjustments along the way .......so my knowledge may have been left in the dust by now ]
The point that I am trying to make is , trust the man and his system . He really knows his stuff and will not steer you guys wrong what so ever. [ just like in his supplement business , you can trust that all his products are the best out there ] And rememebr ,it is his system that has made guys grow so well .[ the diet , supps methods , streching , training] If you are doing only part of his methods then you aren't using system or doing it justice.

When I hear people doing their own thing and calling it DC it bums me out cuz that is when guys are just cheating themselves out of great gains. And not doing all the hard work that Dante put into developing his system justice. So if you if you want to make great gains in the fastest way possible . Research his ideas , go to his home board [ intensemucle.com], and maybe contact the man himself to seek advice........but follow the whole system .........Otherwise ,wise you are just rest pausing and using a similar split . But you are not DCing..........I want you guys to get the best out his system and methods .[ especially my Blad brother ] so follow his whole system to a tee . I promise it will be very worth it . [ This would also guys following Phil's methods .....it is his routine , supplement advice , and diets that make the crazy gains .....it is the sum of the parts , that make these great systems so effective]

This is a great post right here.......good to hear you are doing well Iabadman!

This is the best advice right here for the best results from DC training....

 

[wakejump4me]

here is the split , that you grow muscle with , while doing DC , the fastest way possible . 2 way split / 3 times a week .

monday : chest -shoulder-triceps-back width - back thickness
tuesday : off
wednesday: biceps-forearms-calves-hamstrings-quads
thursday: off
friday : chest - shoulder-triceps - back width - back thickness
saturday : off
sunday : off
monday : biceps- forearms - calves - hamstrings - quads

and so on . this is the split . there are other splits such as the 3 way , but i am not gonna lay it out , because the 2 way is the way to go . there is much more to know about this , but in order to get all the info that you need , to give it all 100 % , i advice to go to his home board (intensemuscle) and read the stickies , in the dogg pound .

wake

 

[joshbarnett]

baldnazi- doing a 12-20 repper (widowmaker set) after your RP is part of the program. just be sure your recovery is ok.

 

[BALDNAZI]

No insult to DC

My post was not intended to cause battle lines to be drawn between the strict DC guys and the guys that make adjustments to it. I had a simple question, and if I like the way it is working then I will do keep doing it. If it doesnt work then Im obviously wrong and I will have to make a change.

If calling a program DC training even though it is slightly different from Dante's ideas,causes people to have their panties in a bunch,then fine I will not call it DC training.

Maybe my question should have been "after a heavy restpause set,is it ok to do an iso movement?" Then no one would be upset. But because I called it DC Im wrong?

I have read the dogg pound,I know what the story is.The system works.I would not be doing what I am doing now if I did not read his ideas,I never heard of this training before,so I give him credit.It may not be 100% DC but the basic principles apply,so I mention his name.He is the one that gave me the ideas,so I acknowledge him.If thats wrong then I apologize.

But in the end I will continue to do what works for me,and its working.Im just so suprised that DC training is such a polarizing issue.It seems like there is no in between,you either do it to the letter or your not doing it.

 

[db006]

i guess the question is how can you be so sure that 1 extra set of an iso is making that much of a difference?? you would probably be better off just doing a widowmaker set like mentioned above, if you need more work. i just think mentally you think your not doing enough. thats the problem that most have when they try to make adjustments.