Touri Mohammed - 2010 IFBB World Amateur Overall Winner

massnup · Nov 25, 2010

buselmo said:
ahhh... lots of GH and slin... those were the days

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What did you weigh there?

buselmo · Nov 25, 2010

massnup said:
What did you weigh there?

between 210 and 215 lbs.

chris250 · Nov 25, 2010

buselmo said:
between 210 and 215 lbs.

How much slin and gh at that time...and what else where you using ... if you dont mind answering...if you dont I understand...

also do you believe that the insulin and gh gives you that round muscle look...(like flex wheeler, phil health type of crazy roundness) I've never seen your arms and delts look so round and full ... just sick...

buselmo · Nov 25, 2010

chris250 said:
How much slin and gh at that time...and what else where you using ... if you dont mind answering...if you dont I understand...

also do you believe that the insulin and gh gives you that round muscle look...(like flex wheeler, phil health type of crazy roundness) I've never seen your arms and delts look so round and full ... just sick...

i don't mind at all...
this is totally out of memory... but i remember the effects clearly... at that time it was 12 iu GH 3 times per week, each 4 iu GH injection had 15 iu of humalin-r in it... 1500 mg test, 150 mg anadrol per day (5 days on, 2 off... that's how i always take my orals) and some letro... this was only for 4 or 5 weeks before i went on vacation (i like to empty out all of the 'supplies' that are in my cupboard and fridge before i go on leave

)... GH was norditropin pens, the anadrol was from Nian a long time ago, and the test was nile sustanon.
i remember i was eating around 1500 cals in 2 to 3 meals and i blew up (but truth be told, i was training low volume)... gained about 10 lbs in those 4 or 5 weeks and looked leaner.

I would say the gh and slin helped lean me out while gaining some mass on a low cal diet... but the fulness i had was DEFINATELY from the anadrol. I used it before without the gh and slin and it gave me the same kind of fullness... never found anadrol like that in my life and that's how i gauge if anadrol is fake or not these days...

and yeah... about flex and heath... i have no fucking idea whether it's responsible for their "look" or not... but all i know is high dose gh and slin = muscle... high dose dbol or anadrol = a full round look...

take 100 mg of dbol, or 200 mg of REAL anadrol (which is hard to find these days) and eat when you're hungry for 6 weeks or so... you'll be a big fucker with abs in no time

... i would say that those two drugs are excellent for the first part of contest prep cuz they fuck up your appetite while keeping you big, full and strong. don't know why a lot of people hate them... especially when they say "they fuck up my appetite"...
guess a lot of permabulkers get pissed off when that happens

kscowboy · Nov 25, 2010

Thanks for your honesty on that bro!!:headbang:

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BeefBrian · Nov 26, 2010

its obvious that the middle eastern style of contest prep is different.. and to the extremes, but how often (or at all..) do these guys get any type of bloodwork to check on their health? Do they take precautions at all...? Seems as if their organs would be in some deep shit.. lol

thebrick · Nov 26, 2010

buselmo said:
ahhh... lots of GH and slin... those were the days

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Damn! It was working!

This has been a great thread Buselmo. I have enjoyed the read and your perspective.

buselmo · Nov 26, 2010

BeefBrian said:
its obvious that the middle eastern style of contest prep is different.. and to the extremes, but how often (or at all..) do these guys get any type of bloodwork to check on their health? Do they take precautions at all...? Seems as if their organs would be in some deep shit.. lol

after over 12 years of competing... my friend faisal went and got blood work done and a stress test... he said that for a whole year he'd say "what if i found out something was wrong? i'd have to quit bodybuilding..." so he delayed it, and delayed it, and delayed it up until 3 weeks ago...

he's as healthy as a fucking horse... much healthier than i am (i have high blood pressure... hereditary)... he showed me the results and they were fucking perfect.

so... no... their organs aren't in deep shit

the dealers i was talking about earlier in the thread were national champions... now they're in their late fifties... very famous people here (and they are some of the biggest abusers you'd ever hear about)... they never get blood work done... BUT... they look like they're in their 30's and seem very healthy (they we're into the whole steroids scene in their teens... so we're talking decades of abuse)
the team coach is 56... when he was asked (infront of me) by one of the judges if anyone on the team was using steroids (remember my thread about the anti-doping guys surprising us?

) he said "are you fucking kidding me? i'm on a shit ton of gear and truckloads of viagra just to fuck! let alone competing on stage! what the hell do you think? most of the audience are juiced to the gills and you're asking me if the competitors use steroids? fuck off"... so... there you have it... the guy has been using steroids since the 70's and he's the same guy who used a diuretic for 2 months straight in his 20's is also as healthy as a horse...

you know what one of the big differences about middle eastern bodybuilders is when it comes to health? their drugs habbits... and i'm not talking about steroids. some people are very well known to "party" a lot... those are the ones who don't last and quit for health reasons...

i believe one should open his eyes out to rec drug use also (which is pretty fucking rampant in the states)

BeefBrian · Nov 26, 2010

buselmo said:
after over 12 years of competing... my friend faisal went and got blood work done and a stress test... he said that for a whole year he'd say "what if i found out something was wrong? i'd have to quit bodybuilding..." so he delayed it, and delayed it, and delayed it up until 3 weeks ago...

he's as healthy as a fucking horse... much healthier than i am (i have high blood pressure... hereditary)... he showed me the results and they were fucking perfect.

so... no... their organs aren't in deep shit

the dealers i was talking about earlier in the thread were national champions... now they're in their late fifties... very famous people here (and they are some of the biggest abusers you'd ever hear about)... they never get blood work done... BUT... they look like they're in their 30's and seem very healthy (they we're into the whole steroids scene in their teens... so we're talking decades of abuse)
the team coach is 56... when he was asked (infront of me) by one of the judges if anyone on the team was using steroids (remember my thread about the anti-doping guys surprising us? ) he said "are you fucking kidding me? i'm on a shit ton of gear and truckloads of viagra just to fuck! let alone competing on stage! what the hell do you think? most of the audience are juiced to the gills and you're asking me if the competitors use steroids? fuck off"... so... there you have it... the guy has been using steroids since the 70's and he's the same guy who used a diuretic for 2 months straight in his 20's is also as healthy as a horse...

you know what one of the big differences about middle eastern bodybuilders is when it comes to health? their drugs habbits... and i'm not talking about steroids. some people are very well known to "party" a lot... those are the ones who don't last and quit for health reasons...

i believe one should open his eyes out to rec drug use also (which is pretty fucking rampant in the states)

wow, very interesting. thanks for discussing the matter... as I was not expecting to hear that, at all.

But yea I totally agree... as I am in college and its sort of embarrassing/ridiculous at some of the stuff I see going on.

Talking about all the 150lb soaking wet stick figure lifters, choaking down orals, only AFTER they show up high from smokin some herb outside in the car. Not to mention the hangover theyre suffering from the previous nights alcohol. haha now THOSE guys.. i can see having some blood work issues

Magnum · Nov 26, 2010

mule said:
when you train Naturals do you use any diuretics at all? how about the herbal ones?

I don't recall ever using a diuretic on a natural. These guy were not entering natural show BTW, they just happened to want to use drugs. Not much in the water of water retention when you are natty.

Magnum · Nov 26, 2010

buselmo said:
yep... slin gets a bad rap... but people never blame the "slam 500 grams of carbs 2 minutes after your 3 iu injection, then slam another 25 metric tons of carbs 30 minutes after that" on how distented their bellies are from 'slin'.

a lot of people said "really???" when i told them insulin takes your blood sugar down... and these were people who placed much higher than i ever did in contests.

not the slin... not the GH... and not the last week prep...

I knew a guy who ate exactly like that and never used slin and still had a huge gut, all visceral fat. He was constantly eating bowels of rice with every meal. He believed all the hype about needing to eat tons of food to grow. He finally changed his way of eating and brought his calorie intake down to 2500 and ended up bigger than ever at his last show. I think the slin will bring on the visceral fat that much quicker if you are eating too many carbs. I have alway been of the opinion that people eat way to many carbs. You need to eat just enough and no more.

massnup · Nov 26, 2010

Magnum said:
I knew a guy who ate exactly like that and never used slin and still had a huge gut, all visceral fat. He was constantly eating bowels of rice with every meal. He believed all the hype about needing to eat tons of food to grow. He finally changed his way of eating and brought his calorie intake down to 2500 and ended up bigger than ever at his last show. I think the slin will bring on the visceral fat that much quicker if you are eating too many carbs. I have alway been of the opinion that people eat way to many carbs. You need to eat just enough and no more.

So whats up with all the hype how someone needs their bodyweight times 20 to gain the most amount of muscle and 1.5 to 2 grams per pound of bodyweight for protein, is this just all hogwash?

Magnum · Nov 26, 2010

buselmo said:
after over 12 years of competing... my friend faisal went and got blood work done and a stress test... he said that for a whole year he'd say "what if i found out something was wrong? i'd have to quit bodybuilding..." so he delayed it, and delayed it, and delayed it up until 3 weeks ago...

he's as healthy as a fucking horse... much healthier than i am (i have high blood pressure... hereditary)... he showed me the results and they were fucking perfect.

so... no... their organs aren't in deep shit

the dealers i was talking about earlier in the thread were national champions... now they're in their late fifties... very famous people here (and they are some of the biggest abusers you'd ever hear about)... they never get blood work done... BUT... they look like they're in their 30's and seem very healthy (they we're into the whole steroids scene in their teens... so we're talking decades of abuse)
the team coach is 56... when he was asked (infront of me) by one of the judges if anyone on the team was using steroids (remember my thread about the anti-doping guys surprising us? ) he said "are you fucking kidding me? i'm on a shit ton of gear and truckloads of viagra just to fuck! let alone competing on stage! what the hell do you think? most of the audience are juiced to the gills and you're asking me if the competitors use steroids? fuck off"... so... there you have it... the guy has been using steroids since the 70's and he's the same guy who used a diuretic for 2 months straight in his 20's is also as healthy as a horse...

you know what one of the big differences about middle eastern bodybuilders is when it comes to health? their drugs habbits... and i'm not talking about steroids. some people are very well known to "party" a lot... those are the ones who don't last and quit for health reasons...

i believe one should open his eyes out to rec drug use also (which is pretty fucking rampant in the states)

OK since we're talking truth here.lol I know two guys both who I have trained for shows. Both are pushing fifty. The first guy hasn't been off for more than 6 months in the last 13 years. On average he does 500 mg's of test daily and 300 mgs of whatever the hell else he can get his hands on. Thats 800 mgs daily!! The second guy hasn't been off EVER in years and averages 1500 mgs of test a week. Once in a while when he can afford it he runs some EQ or deca. Neither of these guys have any health problems to speak of. The first guy has gotten blood work many times and is fine the second never does. The second guy doesn't like to eat. I have seen him waste many meals, he just picks at food. He's a very big guy and is about 8 weeks out form show shape at any given moment. The only thing these guys have in common is they are non drinkers and use no rec drugs, sound familiar?

Magnum · Nov 26, 2010

massnup said:
So whats up with all the hype how someone needs their bodyweight times 20 to gain the most amount of muscle and 1.5 to 2 grams per pound of bodyweight for protein, is this just all hogwash?

You answered your own question.

Every once in a while when you hear a guy say that he barely eats or doesn't eat the standard 6 to 10 meals a day and eat maybe 1 gram of protein per pound you'll hear a bunch of people claim that he a genetic freak or something. Simply not true, no one needs 400 grams of protein and day or 5000 calories to get big.

flexingtonsteele · Nov 26, 2010

Magnum said:
You answered your own question. Every once in a while when you hear a guy say that he barely eats or doesn't eat the standard 6 to 10 meals a day and eat maybe 1 gram of protein per pound you'll hear a bunch of people claim that he a genetic freak or something. Simply not true, no one needs 400 grams of protein and day or 5000 calories to get big.

Im calling bullshit.

Why dont you step onstage and prove it, if you're some guru!

Oh wait, someone else is supposed to respond that to you.............

Magnum · Nov 26, 2010

flexingtonsteele said:
Im calling bullshit.

Why dont you step onstage and prove it, if you're some guru!

Oh wait, someone else is supposed to respond that to you.............

Last time I was on stage I handed out a trophy.