training and overtraining

[GIOVANNI24]

perché e le cause che possono nuocere a causa di uno sforzo eccessivo

 

[GIOVANNI24]

why and the causes that can harm due to excessive exertion

 

[qbkilla]

I've always been a low volume guy and taken deloads. Recently I've been upping my volume each week to see what I can handle before overtraining. There has to be a point but it's individual to everyone. If your getting weaker you probably aren't recovering therefore overtraining.

 

[Shadow Project]

If your getting weaker you probably aren't recovering therefore overtraining.

This, more isn't always better. It's smart to increase volume/workload weekly. But to the extend of still being recoverable.
If you are overexerting, your body will tell you.

 

[buck]

And at times overtraining can be remedied with more rest or more/better nutrition. The vast majority of people i see in the gym do not have to worry about overtraining.

 

[danieltx]

And at times overtraining can be remedied with more rest or more/better nutrition. The vast majority of people i see in the gym do not have to worry about overtraining.

The only thing 99.9% of people in gyms overtrain are their thumbs.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

And at times overtraining can be remedied with more rest or more/better nutrition. The vast majority of people i see in the gym do not have to worry about overtraining.

This.

The vast majority of guys going to the gym are nowhere near over training.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Pretty sure most overtraining usually happens outside the gym. Poor rest, poor diet, too much stress, too much extra heavy-lifting activity at work, etc.

 

[danieltx]

Pretty sure most overtraining usually happens outside the gym. Poor rest, poor diet, too much stress, too much extra heavy-lifting activity at work, etc.

This has always been my thought - guys are underrecovering, not overtraining.

 

[tornquad201]

Most bodybuilders of the 70-80’s overtrained by today’s standards but all looked amazing . Look at John Defendis Hr did 40-60 sets per body part training on a 4 on 1 off split and he continued too grow

 

[Elvia1023]

Pretty sure most overtraining usually happens outside the gym. Poor rest, poor diet, too much stress, too much extra heavy-lifting activity at work, etc.

Exactly.

Lot's of people waste their time in the gym but not many over-train. By that I mean the countless people who will do 5-10 sets with minimal effort each set of the same exercise. It's only the people who are able to take sets to complete failure that have to really be careful with how much volume they are doing. Even then you can hit the body very hard and still recover just fine as long as you are sleeping and eating optimally.

 

[alfresco]

Most bodybuilders of the 70-80’s overtrained by today’s standards but all looked amazing . Look at John Defendis Hr did 40-60 sets per body part training on a 4 on 1 off split and he continued too grow

The first part I agree with.

The second part not so much . . . we will never know how he would have looked had he trained less. I would be willing to bet a hell of a lot better. And I don’t think he continued to grow or thrive on it, only survived.

When in doubt train harder but train less.

 

[Muay Thai]

Exactly.

Lot's of people waste their time in the gym but not many over-train. By that I mean the countless people who will do 5-10 sets with minimal effort each set of the same exercise. It's only the people who are able to take sets to complete failure that have to really be careful with how much volume they are doing. Even then you can hit the body very hard and still recover just fine as long as you are sleeping and eating optimally.

seems like that frequency would be LESS taxing on CNS too (less volume)

 

[11sh11]

I dont think many train hard enough to get to that point of being truly 'over trained'.. more like not sleeping enough, or eating correctly, as several have mentioned. The CNS becomes excessively stimulated, and subsequent inflammation. Not good for health and growth.
My workouts are very intense atm, and I'm training parts that are still sore from the last time I trained them. Bur, my mind is eager to get it, and my lifts are still at the top ends near max. Whatever, I drink more water, take another epsom salt bath, and throw some over my shoulder to the gods of bigger legs.

 

[Alzadosghost]

Overtraining for millennials equates to my warms up sets. I see guys spend hours playing with their phone worrying about overtraining and they are 145 lbs soaking wet pants falling off cause their ass is so flat. Get a belt fuckers…

 

[Alzadosghost]

I did 60 sets for legs last night. Be stiff for a few days but I know how to grow. Overtraining I think is mostly an excuse to be a pussy

 

[tornquad201]

I did 60 sets for legs last night. Be stiff for a few days but I know how to grow. Overtraining I think is mostly an excuse to be a pussy

Curious too what that looked like

 

[Flex500]

I think some of this depends how we think of overtraining. For a short spurt I did sort of an extreme intensity program with deadlifts and squats and rather low to moderate volume but extreme intensity (specifically on those two movements). It was by far the most "overtrained" I ever felt. Sleep suffered, started to feel off, and just a beat up feeling. In fact I had extreme brain fog and was borderline "shaky" the next days.

That didn't last long but it took me almost a month to recover and get back to normal. It was less about the muscle and more about my brain, cns, and rest of my functioning body.

On the contrary I did a "squat daily" routine and over time my legs definitely became overtrained and I wasn't recovering properly. After a week of backing off...it was fine.

I guess I'm referring more to overtraining in the sense of doing biceps too much vs overtraining in the sense of overloading extreme intensity too much where it's a whole body effect.

 

[Performance Based]

Overtraining is a massive misconception - This can be looked purely as a work capacity issue. By their nature "bodybuilding", especially isolation movements, have a remarkably low CNS taxation.

Not sure where this garbage came from but it does not take long to see improvements in endurance and work capacity even with nominal time spent recovering.

 

[KillerStack]

I think some of this depends how we think of overtraining. For a short spurt I did sort of an extreme intensity program with deadlifts and squats and rather low to moderate volume but extreme intensity (specifically on those two movements). It was by far the most "overtrained" I ever felt. Sleep suffered, started to feel off, and just a beat up feeling. In fact I had extreme brain fog and was borderline "shaky" the next days.

That didn't last long but it took me almost a month to recover and get back to normal. It was less about the muscle and more about my brain, cns, and rest of my functioning body.

On the contrary I did a "squat daily" routine and over time my legs definitely became overtrained and I wasn't recovering properly. After a week of backing off...it was fine.

I guess I'm referring more to overtraining in the sense of doing biceps too much vs overtraining in the sense of overloading extreme intensity too much where it's a whole body effect.

Yes. Think about a powerlifter doing a powerlifting competition. He does at most 9 reps for the whole "workout." But it can be so taxing it takes months to recover fully. In some cases a few have said they never really recovered fully after some meet where they really exerted themselves. Either physical, neural or emotional burnout. Nine total reps at most! So you can for sure wreck yourself with very low volume.