Training for intent vs training for fun with Kuba

[cornflakeshot]

Decent interview (though I’m not usually a big kuba fan). Curious others thoughts on this topic. He claims many actually do too much and train TOO hard (cheat reps, drop sets etc).

 

[gtihonov]

I believe he is right. The key to progression is a constant repeat of the same actions with trackable measurements in repeatable environment. Clean controlled reps to failure is the easiest way to do it. Doing a lot of Intensifiers make tracking very hard.

Destroy ourselves in the gym is really fun but in the long term we just annihilate our body

 

[neutrino]

Decent interview (though I’m not usually a big kuba fan). Curious others thoughts on this topic. He claims many actually do too much and train TOO hard (cheat reps, drop sets etc).

Really depends on context (personal biases/perceptions) + your surrounding environment. I bet Kuba does not train at the average Planet Fitness: the outlook on training intensity as a lot more depressing there lol.

 

[aDw32]

You can like Kuba or not, you can say he changes his mind often about some things. But in terms of training i respect him a lot. Clever planning, proper adjusting volume-frequency to recovery abilities, exercise selection. Results of his clients speak a lot and you can't deny it

 

[Flocci]

i agree with mostly all of what he said, good interview.

 

[kadafi2]

When you observe people in the gym, very few people train too hard.

 

[luki7788]

I honestly only know one person in the world who trains too hard - Roman Fritz but in a positive way

 

[buck]

When you observe people in the gym, very few people train too hard.

I find attacking the weight is not a thing anymore. It is about being as scientific as you can and hope for gains. Which don't happen for most doing that sort of training.

When i have put on good size in the past and tracked my training. I found the more drop set, forced reps etc i did caused gains to slow down or stop after a time. Unless i did less sets. So in the end there was a certain threshold of stress i could recover from. To much stress slowed gains. My chest was most susceptible to over training. 8 works sets a week was about it. If i threw in a couple sets of extended sets like drop sets, forced reps etc after 2 weeks my gains would slow and would stop by the 3-4 week.

 

[Reno911]

You also have to put things into perspective as far a training mileage. Kuba is fairly young. Chasing the log book for an older lifter is a recipe for disaster.

I guess you need to look at if you want to get in and get as big as possible as fast as possible or if you want more longevity and still be training at a decent level in middle age.

With age, incorporating things such as rest pause, super sets, pre exhaust, drop sets, clusters, giant sets, etc can help you to "dig in" to create enough muscle stimulation for growth without destroying your joints.

 

[qbkilla]

When you observe people in the gym, very few people train too hard.

Yup. They are " evidence based " reps in reserve just like their favorite youtube.com clown influencers taught them.

 

[pistonpump]

I saw this video and thought there was a lot of good conversation esp on the topic of this thread. Made me question my own training through out the years. The things we don't want to do, in my case low volume, may be the things that could benefit your gains most.

 

[KingOfSushi]

I find attacking the weight is not a thing anymore. It is about being as scientific as you can and hope for gains. Which don't happen for most doing that sort of training

But for many, just “attacking” the weight imo will only get you so far as well.

Training with control with maximum intensity will yield the best results AND longevity for most imo.

 

[KingOfSushi]

Chasing the log book for an older lifter is a recipe for disaster.

I watched the part referred to in the OPs post, and even kuba admitted the faults of logbooking (causing many to lose control, lift too heavy etc).

Maybe its just my n=1, but I do feel I started growing better when I stopped logging and focused instead purely just on stimulating as muscle as I can with my sets being as intense as I can make them regardless of the weight. The weight is just a tool instead of a target now for me.

 

[M@NU]

I watched the part referred to in the OPs post, and even kuba admitted the faults of logbooking (causing many to lose control, lift too heavy etc).

Maybe its just my n=1, but I do feel I started growing better when I stopped logging and focused instead purely just on stimulating as muscle as I can with my sets being as intense as I can make them regardless of the weight. The weight is just a tool instead of a target now for me.

not exactly the same here, but for some bodyparts like quads and shoulders ive stopped logging reps and weights and just started to log how many working sets i did.
Result is about the same but i have much less joint pain.
For shoulders, mainly for stuff like side laterals and cuffed lying y-raises, ive realized being focused on the weight only led to joint issues.
same for quads. My quads are very strong and my knee/quad tendon simply cant take it anymore. I had to skip so many quad sessions due to immense knee pain when ive logged weights and just tried to beat the number, especially on pendulum squat and hack squats, that it simply didnt make sense anymore.
Now i take a weight that feels "somewhat comforatble" for 8-12 reps and just focusing on rep quality...

 

[deadmanwalking]

But for many, just “attacking” the weight imo will only get you so far as well.

Training with control with maximum intensity will yield the best results AND longevity for most imo.

This makes complete sense. But I think there’s this fear where if people lower the weights to focus on those aspects, they’ll lose muscle or get weaker.

When it comes to dieting specifically, it’s commonly advised to keep the weights and reps at least the same or even improve throughout the weeks. Would you agree with this?

 

[qbkilla]

But for many, just “attacking” the weight imo will only get you so far as well.

Training with control with maximum intensity will yield the best results AND longevity for most imo.

I haven't watched the video yet but i think there are ways both can be successful

Say guy A is just a psycho has no self control and just goes in destroys his muscles..set after set to failure..drop sets etc. This dude would overtrain on full body eod or ppl2x a week. But he could thrive on a bro split because he creates a great stimulus for growth then has a week to recover say from a brutal leg day

Guy b can't train like that and doesn't want to. He'd probably leave gains on the table doing a bro split but would do well on full body 3x because he can't generate the intensity of guy A...but that also allows him to not overly fatigue muscles thereby he can train them more often

Thoughts?

 

[qbkilla]

not exactly the same here, but for some bodyparts like quads and shoulders ive stopped logging reps and weights and just started to log how many working sets i did.
Result is about the same but i have much less joint pain.
For shoulders, mainly for stuff like side laterals and cuffed lying y-raises, ive realized being focused on the weight only led to joint issues.
same for quads. My quads are very strong and my knee/quad tendon simply cant take it anymore. I had to skip so many quad sessions due to immense knee pain when ive logged weights and just tried to beat the number, especially on pendulum squat and hack squats, that it simply didnt make sense anymore.
Now i take a weight that feels "somewhat comforatble" for 8-12 reps and just focusing on rep quality...

Damn...I say this as someone at 40 with zero knee issues ever....those 2 the hack and pendulum...are the only exercises that hurt my knees too...no idea why

 

[KingOfSushi]

I haven't watched the video yet but i think there are ways both can be successful

Say guy A is just a psycho has no self control and just goes in destroys his muscles..set after set to failure..drop sets etc. This dude would overtrain on full body eod or ppl2x a week. But he could thrive on a bro split because he creates a great stimulus for growth then has a week to recover say from a brutal leg day

Guy b can't train like that and doesn't want to. He'd probably leave gains on the table doing a bro split but would do well on full body 3x because he can't generate the intensity of guy A...but that also allows him to not overly fatigue muscles thereby he can train them more often

Thoughts?

I think you completely misunderstood what I said.

Training with control should not be contradictory to the guy “destroying his muscles” as you say and utilizing intensifiers. If training with control correctly, it should be more difficult as the whole purpose of having control is to create maximal stimulation for the muscle(s) youre targeting.

As for your training split aspect of the question, I’d say that just comes down to how you wanna split up your volume and frequency.

 

[M@NU]

Damn...I say this as someone at 40 with zero knee issues ever....those 2 the hack and pendulum...are the only exercises that hurt my knees too...no idea why

i also getting closer to 40 (35 right now) and after 15 years of training with the first 5-6 being pure ego lifting i have my share of nagging injuries.
Esp my right knee bothers me
yeah, i got up to 80kg x 11 on the gymleco pendulum squat but the pain involved just isnt worth it anymore.. i rather pre-exhaust with pump sets on leg extension and single leg leg press now and do sets with 50kg on the pendulum

 

[Josefein421]

What happened to training like a badass a la Branch Warren, Jonnie Jackson, Chuck Vogelphol, Ronnie Coleman, John Meadows etc?

Nowadays everyone wants to do single arm bench supported pulldowns and talk about fatigue and overtraining, blah blah. John Meadows didn’t worry about fatigue from too many intensifiers when he did triple drop Bulgarian split squats week after week.