Training Splits - How Do I fit Shoulders in?

[b-boy]

because after quads and hams you will half ass the calves work.

This ^^^ also leg day is the longest of my workout days and doing calves would just make it longer, if training super hard and intense I can't do marathon workouts

 

[danieltx]

When I wanted to bring up my calves I started hitting them at the beginning of my workouts (I train calves every day) - it definitely worked. Even the most intense calf training isn't really systemically fatiguing (if you avoid standing raises that load the spine) so it shouldn't impact whatever else you hit that day.

 

[xpoc]

This is a bit off-topic but since you guys are bringing up "leg day" I really like this idea that has been gaining some momentum with the masses.

LEG DAY A

Quad emphasis (quads first, 3 exercises: isolation and 2 compounds. example: leg extensions, hack squats and leg press)
Hams (one isolation and one compound. example: seated leg curls, dumbbell RDL)
Calves (one seated, one standing)

LEG DAY B

Hamstring emphasis (hams first, 3 exercises: isolation and 2 compounds. example. lying leg curls, barbell RDL, dumbbell lunges)
Quads (one isolation and one compound. example: leg extensions and squats)
Calves (one standing, one angled such as donkey machine)

LEG DAY C

Calves emphasis (calves first. seated calves, standing calves, calf press on leg press)
Quads (one isolation and one compound. example: single leg extensions and some type of machine squat)
Hams (one isolation and one compound. example: single leg standing ham curls and rack RDL)