Training with insomnia

[PissedPajamas]

As the title states, with limited flexibility in the week to restructure your training, how would you go about training after a sleepless night?

Accidentally took 80mcg of clen at 9am yesterday (unlabeled Chinese bottles got mixed, live and learn), feeling pretty dogshit today and have a pull session scheduled. Wondering if I should just nut up or if digging myself into a hole with subpar training is worth it and if I should pull back for this session

How do you personally go about training when you know you’re feeling less than stellar? Could apply to when you’re sick as well, I’d love to hear your thoughts

 

[bigzzz]

If you feel you need a rest, take a rest. No point in half assing a training and digging a deeper hole imo.

 

[PissedPajamas]

If you feel you need a rest, take a rest. No point in half assing a training and digging a deeper hole imo.

Sounds like the advice I’d give, and not the one I’d take, but the advice I need to hear. Another drawback of being “hardcore” to your own detriment

 

[gains4000]

I wouldn’t workout if I got no sleep tbh

 

[traininsane11]

I’m not sure having 1 nights bad sleep quite classes as insomnia

 

[buck]

When i was a kid in my 30's or 40's missing sleep didn't matter one bit in a workout. I spent my last 13 years i worked, working on graveyard shift so i was switching sleep schedules 2x a week. So training with jet lag was just normal for me. These days i am in my 60's so if i only get 4 hours sleep like last night i may take the day off but will likley still hit it and not notice much of a difference. Once i feel the weight on my i just start feeling normal again.

 

[PissedPajamas]

I’m not sure having 1 nights bad sleep quite classes as insomnia

You’re right. I’ve had true insomnia in the past after a bad benzo stint, I went 3 months with no sleep just laying in bed closing my eyes and waiting till my alarm went off. Had a mental breakdown about one month in lol

That happened 3 years ago and sleep has been better since, but since then something in me changed and my sleep can easily go to shit over the most minor inconveniences (eating a little too close to bed time, watching anything that’s slightly too stimulating at night etc), so I keep a tight grip on my sleep hygiene and don’t mess with any stims, gear, or life stressors that can put your system in hyperdrive

 

[traininsane11]

You’re right. I’ve had true insomnia in the past after a bad benzo stint, I went 3 months with no sleep just laying in bed closing my eyes and waiting till my alarm went off. Had a mental breakdown about one month in lol

That happened 3 years ago and sleep has been better since, but since then something in me changed and my sleep can easily go to shit over the most minor inconveniences (eating a little too close to bed time, watching anything that’s slightly too stimulating at night etc), so I keep a tight grip on my sleep hygiene and don’t mess with any stims, gear, or life stressors that can put your system in hyperdrive

That’s rough man I know a couple of guys personally who’ve had the same issues it’s extremely unpleasant. Glad things are improving though

 

[Alzadosghost]

Did it for most of my life. Still doing it. Lol my advice is keep doing it lol

 

[Sectør]

The big thing with insomnia is that it will drastically reduce your recovery between workouts. Sleep is king for maximizing recovery

You’ll have to scale back your volume to match your reduced recovery. If it’s really bad to the point you feel like utter crap and your training session will likely be shit, you’re almost better off resting and having a better session the next day at full capacity (or near full capacity) then putting yourself further into a recovery hole like others mentioned

There’s also a difference between just having one bad night of sleep and being tired, and having built up systematic fatigue. Tired you can work through, systemic fatigue is something that needs to be addressed

 

[PissedPajamas]

Found a good medium between keeping intensity high and gauging recovery by striving to add more poundage (2.5lbs or 5lbs exercise dependent) and trying to match reps. If I matched reps with the extra weight, I move onto the next set. Whenever there’s a sharp drop off in reps, I stop the exercise there cause anything else is junk volume and wasted effort.

Some row movements held up for all 3 sets I had planned with almost no rep drop off, some pulldown focused movement didn’t get past one set when I had 3 planned.

Got some PRs and don’t feel too buried, calling that a win.

 

[buck]

As a side note after my 4 hours of sleep last night. I trained legs today. All my top sets used the same weight with more reps then last workout or a higher weight for the same reps. Everything was well controlled and felt good. I found out long ago i usually have better workouts when i am not feeling the greatest. As when i am happy and feeling good it can be more difficult to get aggressive. I just train the best i can no matter what as any one workout really doesn't mean a thing to me.

 

[IFBBProDomCardone]

As the title states, with limited flexibility in the week to restructure your training, how would you go about training after a sleepless night?

Accidentally took 80mcg of clen at 9am yesterday (unlabeled Chinese bottles got mixed, live and learn), feeling pretty dogshit today and have a pull session scheduled. Wondering if I should just nut up or if digging myself into a hole with subpar training is worth it and if I should pull back for this session

How do you personally go about training when you know you’re feeling less than stellar? Could apply to when you’re sick as well, I’d love to hear your thoughts

If the training won’t be productive or will put you at risk of injury push it back a day. The less you sleep, the more sleep debt accumulates. The more stress on CNS, immune system etc.

As we get older everything can’t be perfect unfortunately. But navigating around those moments is key.

If it were me, I’d take off, save the stress on body, hydrate, eat and get to bed earlier to catch up on recovery/sleep.

 

[KingOfSushi]

How do you personally go about training when you know you’re feeling less than stellar?

I just train as hard as I can, assuming we aren’t talking about a scenario where that’d make things worse.

 

[Bleed]

Its been mentioned but if you feel fine, in the short term, training isnt an issue if you can actually train.

Long term insomnia will put you in an early grave.

Those things are very different. If you are pushing your body weight to extremes, taking large doses, and not sleeping it's a recipe for tragedy.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

If I’m reall pushin it, and I mean I slept under 4hrs, I’m not training. The session will be worthless. But if I’m getting 5-6+ hours of sleep, I’m in the gym no matter what.

 

[stackdizzy]

I have seen you post about modonfil, maybe its time you get something from the dr. I know sleeping meds has its got its pros and cons but yea got to sleep.