Tren A during offseason micro cut.

[OldManLogan]

After my experience the last few months, and espechow incredibly well Tren A low dose worked for me during the last 8 weeks-

What are everyone’s thoughts and opinions on adding low dose tren if you hit that moment off season where you want to trim off a bit of fat for 3-4 weeks, say (I don’t want to go ver 15% or so BF if possible as I grow).

I’m thinking ahead to doing that as well as the usual food adjustment, etc. to try and hold on to what I’ve built so far.

Is the juice worth the squeeze in this scenario for you?

 

[traininsane11]

After my experience the last few months, and espechow incredibly well Tren A low dose worked for me during the last 8 weeks-

What are everyone’s thoughts and opinions on adding low dose tren if you hit that moment off season where you want to trim off a bit of fat for 3-4 weeks, say (I don’t want to go ver 15% or so BF if possible as I grow).

I’m thinking ahead to doing that as well as the usual food adjustment, etc. to try and hold on to what I’ve built so far.

Is the juice worth the squeeze in this scenario for you?

Personally if you’ve hit the stage where BF is to high then either you’ve screwed up or it’s just time to end the push up and go into a cruise which is where I think if done correctly you can kill 2 Birds with 1 stone as in give your body a rest of higher androgens and lose some bodyfat and then once over back into the offseason/muscle gain phase from a fresher and leaner start point

I think tren can be used offseason of course but I think pulling back on food and adding tren is just going into a diet phase which most of us wouldn’t consider as “offseason”

You could maybe look to come out of that cruise/tidy up phase using the tren to get the best of everything

 

[bbxtreme]

After my experience the last few months, and espechow incredibly well Tren A low dose worked for me during the last 8 weeks-

What are everyone’s thoughts and opinions on adding low dose tren if you hit that moment off season where you want to trim off a bit of fat for 3-4 weeks, say (I don’t want to go ver 15% or so BF if possible as I grow).

I’m thinking ahead to doing that as well as the usual food adjustment, etc. to try and hold on to what I’ve built so far.

Is the juice worth the squeeze in this scenario for you?

I say this with respect, but at your age the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

You’re going to risk liver and GI health, sleep, recovery and forcing your nervous system into an over stimulated state which would crash recovery and stall digestion.

Anytime your goal is resetting or to clean something up, tren is not usually the answer. It is the opposite of healthy in every way.

All that aside, there is still no compound like it or that will create the muscle density it does. Nor will any compound give you the dopamine hit and drive it does. But just remember, what goes up, must come down.

If there’s no stage in your future and at your age I’d pick a different compound.

 

[Fleezy]

why not use npp instead

 

[Virtues]

How's your markers?

 

[td]

What are everyone’s thoughts and opinions on adding low dose tren if you hit that moment off season where you want to trim off a bit of fat for 3-4 weeks, say (I don’t want to go ver 15% or so BF if possible as I grow).

You really shouldn't get to 15%. That's too fat for the off-season for a competitor unless you're young and pushing hard. Even then, it's arguably counter-productive to being the best bodybuilder you can be.

 

[qbkilla]

You really shouldn't get to 15%. That's too fat for the off-season for a competitor unless you're young and pushing hard. Even then, it's arguably counter-productive to being the best bodybuilder you can be.

I agree with this, if your near 15 percent really rev evaluate your diet and commit to a cut to reset at a reasonable bodyfat. Im 40 mow, im tren is risky even at small dosages. If I were ro use it..10-20mg ed for 4 or so weeks on a hard cut.

 

[TheOtherOne55]

After my experience the last few months, and espechow incredibly well Tren A low dose worked for me during the last 8 weeks-

What are everyone’s thoughts and opinions on adding low dose tren if you hit that moment off season where you want to trim off a bit of fat for 3-4 weeks, say (I don’t want to go ver 15% or so BF if possible as I grow).

I’m thinking ahead to doing that as well as the usual food adjustment, etc. to try and hold on to what I’ve built so far.

Is the juice worth the squeeze in this scenario for you?

To be completely frank with you, I think you are thinking of your “competition life” slightly incorrectly at this point. You are A. Very new to competing and B. Later in life then a young competitor. Honestly, if you truly are getting bit by the bug, awesome. More power to ya. But, your game is not the same as some 27 year old. You shouldn’t be bulking up to 15% bodyfat and trying to lay down new tissue, nor should you be even thinking about tren. You’re just asking for problems doing both of those. Realistically, if you want to do more shows, it’s a fixing your conditioning game for u, not getting bigger. The more times you get lean, the better you will look. And that problems means staying leaner year round withhh hopefully lower dosed drugs. New competitors neeed the repetition of getting lean, and every show will show it. So again, treating this like a bulk or offseason isn’t really the smartest move in general. You can make some progress for sure, but it’s not gonna be looking at a scale at all. Just my 2 cents.

 

[hawkmoon]

I'll echo everything already said here.

On top of that I'll state my opinion on tren itself - it's not a good fat burner.
What tren does best for body composition is improve nutrient partitioning and preserve lean tissue when dieting down hard.
If you aren't calorie restricted already it's not all that.
It's not leaness in a bottle.

As one older guy to another (I think I'm a fair deal older) don't bother with it.
Just learn to control your nutrition better as well as training and cardio.

 

[Aikman56]

I’m going to be boring and agree with everything that’s been said already… At our age, off-season trend ace is just not worth the implications that come with it. Over the past few years I’ve even used it less and less leading into the competition. This past year, I don’t think I introduced it until six weeks out, which is the least amount of time I’ve ever used it.

Offseasons are tricky at our age, and putting on additional body fat is not going to be helpful in either the short OR long-term. It’s almost an uphill battle of maintenance year over a year. Speaking personally, now that I have solved my peripheral edema issues, I’m going to re-introduce GH and hope that gives me the push that I need to put on a few pounds of stage weight for next year. If not, I’ll just have to continue to try to improve conditioning your over year, and eventually show up looking like one of the giants from Attack on Titan!

 

[theway]

I don’t think it’s ideal, but it can be done with only a moderate health impact in some cases. If someone is looking for the “tren-like” benefits such as improved IGF sensitivity, then running something very low, around 100 mg per week, is usually the only reasonable approach.


That said, I personally wouldn’t bother with it. We’re not Olympia competitors, and the risk-to-reward ratio just isn’t there for most people. You can often get far more benefit by tightening the diet, improving nutrient timing, and cycling carbohydrates rather than relying on compounds that carry a higher health burden.

 

[KyleSmith1985]

I don’t believe in using anabolics for fat loss as their not very effective at it. It’s amazing how many fat fucks are on tren and juiced out their mind.

I’d throw in a low dose of Reta for a mini cut.

I think tren even as low as 50-100mg offers some nutrition partitioning effects. If your blood work, blood pressure and rhr are in check, hammer down.

 

[Mufasa123]

For tren to address body fat - the goal you stated - you need to diet. At 15%, lots of other compounds (even what you are likely on) will retain muscle decently while dieting in double digits. The difference is merely tren's mental/physical look components and those, while fun, aren't your goal.

Where tren is useful was before this point via nutrient partitioning - bulking and not getting to 15% body fat by skewing a given diet. But, that requires a longer term run of it although lower dosages can work fine for such a period. Could also be a bit stricter with diet and take a tad more time...better option esp given age/level/goals.

So the answer is almost certainly diet and not AAS at least. A DNP 2 week run could work but this causes some real disruption in training/life energy ect for many folks and there's a whole host of other issues.

Best advice - don't get yourself backed into a corner like this. Monitor diet and fat gain consistently. You were out eating your growth potential, didn't monitor or back off when you should have, and now you don't have options outside of diet or maintenance.

 

[OldManLogan]

How's your markers?

All bloodwork is in range, thank goodness, 3 weeks after the show- liver, kidney markers, CBC/, hematocrit etc. For the record, I'm probably still around 9-10% BF, predictably holding between 177-182 (depending on high/low/medium days, water retention, gastric motility/BMs etc etc) the question is merely hypothetical- but I'm taking all of this advice to heart! 10 bodybuilders agreeing cannot be wrong! . I'll just keep doing what I'm doing with my coach, and stick to diet, exercise and Reta if needed. For the record, I'll never touch a diuretic or DNP. Thanks guys- y'all rock as always!

 

[aDw32]

C'mon, Logan… don’t act like you’re in your twenties Get those ideas out of your head. A test dose at TRT level or at most up to 300 mg and something anabolic up to 300mg, small doses of GH + maybe some reta, that’s the absolute maximum you need.

No offense, but with your training experience you’re probably not even getting 60% out of your workouts - focus on this. And it’s not about you specifically, it’s the same for anyone with that level of experience (FACTS) Stop joking around and get to work

 

[Flex500]

It's always the right time for tren. I'm kidding...everyone else is right here

 

[kadafi2]

On top of that I'll state my opinion on tren itself - it's not a good fat burner.

UNFORTUNATELY, I have to agree. Tren disappointed me in this regard. I thought it would be better at fighting fat, but it doesn't do the magic on its own. I mean, it won't make you lose 4 inches off your waist in 6 weeks.

@OldManLogan, out of curiosity, what's your offseason plan? Because—as you wrote—you train 6 days a week, and that alone will make it VERY difficult for you to gain new size. You don't have time for recovery and growth. What equipment do you plan to use, and what's your diet plan? Just a general guide, without going into detail.

Because, I'll tell you right now, you want to improve your arms, but with this intensity, it'll be a Sisyphean task.

What I'm saying is that you're already worried about the minicut, and it seems like fighting for every kilo you gain will be a challenge.

 

[pistonpump]

Def would not advise it for you. U can get by with safer compounds that will help u not hurt u.

 

[Mufasa123]

It's always the right time for tren. I'm kidding...everyone else is right here

Just because they are right, it doesn't necessarily mean you are wrong ;-)

 

[qbkilla]

I didn't see the part about growing arms. Id venture to say that simply making the waist tight by shedding fat, reducing gut distention, will make the arms look bigger.