This is a great subject and for me personally I am adding back the hcg into my trt. Dante has made some great posts about this......
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Originally Posted by thethinker48 View Post
Dante,
1)When you say keeping endogenous production going (using hcg, clomid which is the devil's drug imo); does this apply to someone on TRT for life?
2)I realized early on that if you're going down the route of messing with your hormones; there's no point in going up and down trying to PCT; and many would argue it's far unhealthier than just coming down to a true trt.
3)Would it make sense for those of us who are "on" TRT for life to employ the endogenous production strategy? Given fertility problems can usually be fixed with certain protocols (a popular one that was suggested by you for instance).
Dante's response....
I numbered up above so you know of which i am talking about.
1) Thats a very personal question as is all of this. Fertility wise people change their mind all the time....some guy at 32 might think "screw it im never having kids anyway so why bother?".....and then at 40 he met the wife of his dreams and his priorities have changed and he wants to have kids....well now he is in a mell of a hess because he drove his HPTA into dormancy. Joints wise and muscle maintenance/growth wise its very very important to have some sort of endogenous testosterone production. People turn into brittle old men when they get off cold turkey and its because their endogenous testosterone is in the toilet. Along with that people who have pitiful endo test while on TRT still seem to have pretty serious joint problems even though they feel better libido/energy wise. There is something to be said by having a semblance of endo testosterone. Im not talking PCT with TRT for life guys at all but I am talking the usage of HCG regularly with them and the use of anti aromatase with them. For reasons of keeping the HPTA functioning. I guarantee this....virtually every single person in this forum who is currently doing exog test by itself TRT wise will feel much better joints wise, libido wise, and "being a bodybuilder/muscle mass wise" if they add (timed) HCG to their weekly regimen (as long as they keep the estradiol rise in check)
2) I agree to an extent....but I feel so strongly that a person must if they are going to "cycle" (big difference between someone who is doing chronic TRT and someone who blasts juice and then tells everyone he is doing TRT when he decides to come down) send signals to keep himself from HPTA dormancy at intervals. And it involves the situations i said in #1 and also has a large part in this whole homeostasis discussion.
3) That fertility protocol works 1000 times better and faster if someone took the time and planning to use what is outlined in #1. There are people who have driven themselves into dormancy that go thru a living hell trying to get their significant other pregnant.
I cannot personally explain the joint integrity part of it....there is no science to explain it. It is something Ive observed for so long in people that I am virtually convinced of it now. Twenty five year old kid jumps off a 6 foot wall and he is off running. Fifty five year old guy with low endo testosterone jumps off a 6 foot wall and he likely blows out two patella tendons. Exog test helps dramatically but doesnt solve that situation....there is something about the human bodies chemistry in the manufacturing of its own hormones that is key in this process.
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