UK a primo free zone

[traininsane11]

Apologies if there’s another thread on this if so please feel free to delete but couldn’t see on hence me posting

So as of about a week ago pretty much all UK labs are out of primo and soon to be masterone and people are losing their minds

From what I’ve heard the Chinese raw manufacturers have shut down production after some contaminated raws primarily primo and to a lesser extent mast and then apparently testosterone to

Some of the bigger UK labs are looking to source raws from India which are usually questionable

Just interested to see if anyone else has any news on this

 

[luki7788]

most serious manufacturers have at least a year's worth of raw materials and when it comes to indies there's no problem getting good raw materials from there but prices will definitely go up

 

[traininsane11]

most serious manufacturers have at least a year's worth of raw materials and when it comes to indies there's no problem getting good raw materials from there but prices will definitely go up

From what I can gather it started about 3 months ago so I’m surprised pretty much all labs over here are out of stock already of primo and mast as well and suggesting test may be the next to run out

I know one of the main UK labs is currently testing raws from India with a plan to use them

I can’t imagine china will take that long to get back up and running it’s a ginormous market

 

[massephase]

I guess most UK guys get their stuff domestically?
Suppliers in mainland Europe don't seem to have that issue (yet) ...
And there is definitely one very good lab from India I can think of, although I don't know whether they use raws from China or India.

 

[luki7788]

UK due to Brexit has become, so to speak, a "lonely island" leaving the European Union has greatly limited some issues especially when it comes to shipping products abroad and vice versa. Here in Poland there are no problems with obtaining anything only prices have increased and that's it

 

[traininsane11]

I guess most UK guys get their stuff domestically?
Suppliers in mainland Europe don't seem to have that issue (yet) ...
And there is definitely one very good lab from India I can think of, although I don't know whether they use raws from China or India.

Yeah pretty much there’s probably 5-10 main labs in the UK of which I think some are the same lab just different labels and everyone buys from them and to my knowledge they all import from the same place (china) cause if one has issues then they all have issues

 

[specter]

I guess most UK guys get their stuff domestically?
Suppliers in mainland Europe don't seem to have that issue (yet) ...
And there is definitely one very good lab from India I can think of, although I don't know whether they use raws from China or India.

Denmark is also hit pretty hard atm sadly..

 

[traininsane11]

I did see that china had shutdown shop until May time supposedly. No idea if that’s true and I expect it’s open to change obviously.

Not entirely sure what even happened from what I’ve heard people were having really bad reactions to the primo some ending up in hospital

I remember probably 9 years ago a similar thing happening with test e which again is effected this time along with mast e

I had also heard and again no idea how true it is that it somehow had some link to fentanyl production over there no idea how or why just what I’ve heard

 

[Alfie9119]

Just watched the new think big bodybuilding podcast. Apparently there’s a Chinese producer and people were getting really bad pip from and were a few cases of sepsis maybe ? So they’ve shut down and a lot of U.K. labs are pulling primo and some mast . Either way I’m from U.K. and if I order anything from Europe it still only takes a week max lol

 

[Jliltman]

From what I can gather it started about 3 months ago so I’m surprised pretty much all labs over here are out of stock already of primo and mast as well and suggesting test may be the next to run out

I know one of the main UK labs is currently testing raws from India with a plan to use them

I can’t imagine china will take that long to get back up and running it’s a ginormous market

I heard the India market generally has large discrepancies when it comes to raws, you heard of this? I’m sure China will be back before we know it

 

[qbkilla]

What test was affected..all esters?

 

[traininsane11]

I heard the India market generally has large discrepancies when it comes to raws, you heard of this? I’m sure China will be back before we know it

I’ve heard different things originally India raws were just raws from china that were watered down massively as china is the only place that actually manufactures them

Not sure if that’s true or not

 

[traininsane11]

What test was affected..all esters?

Enathate for pip but then I’ve seen HRT clinics in America have been having issues with Cyp just crashing constantly

 

[Durro NoHurtNoBigShirt]

Just watched the new think big bodybuilding podcast. Apparently there’s a Chinese producer and people were getting really bad pip from and were a few cases of sepsis maybe ? So they’ve shut down and a lot of U.K. labs are pulling primo and some mast . Either way I’m from U.K. and if I order anything from Europe it still only takes a week max lol

Here it is the talk about it starting around 2:20

 

[Bleed]

Every batch of test E ive tried in the last few years has given me crippling pain. The most recent absolutely wrecked me.

Ive noticed anything with the enanthate ester gives me issues these last few years and chalked it up to the ester being the problem.

Enathate for pip but then I’ve seen HRT clinics in America have been having issues with Cyp just crashing constantly

 

[traininsane11]

Every batch of test E ive tried in the last few years has given me crippling pain. The most recent absolutely wrecked me.

Ive noticed anything with the enanthate ester gives me issues these last few years and chalked it up to the ester being the problem.

There was a massive issue of that here in the UK (not sure where you’re from) about 9 years or so ago nearly put a few big labs out of business cause of bad reputation. Many people switched to sust including me I switched back to enathate about 18 months back and minus one time when I tried another lab it’s been pretty much pip free and my bloods always come back showing it to be decent…. Could well be sust labelled as Enanthate I guess but we will never know as long as it does the job

 

[TheOtherOne55]

This makes me glad I didn’t hop on the primo hype train.

Every UK BBer is crying right now because that’s allll anyone runs (not u @traininsane11) lol tough

 

[Bleed]

US. I remember hearing about a bad test e batch that made its rounds but to this day, all the test e I have tried does a number on me. Primo enth, tren enth, have all caused my noticeable pain. I dont have the same issue with the ace ester. So far anything prop or enanthate is a no use for me.

I noticed I could use small amounts, like a 1/10 of a cc, so I would use that amount and the rest would be cyp or a mix of whatever I was running.

I made the mistake in a rush one day recently of using a whole ml of that test e....I couldnt sleep on my side for over a week, no gym, and I had a limp. Im giving it all to someone else. I havent heard anyone else complain so I thought it was just me.

There was a massive issue of that here in the UK (not sure where you’re from) about 9 years or so ago nearly put a few big labs out of business cause of bad reputation. Many people switched to sust including me I switched back to enathate about 18 months back and minus one time when I tried another lab it’s been pretty much pip free and my bloods always come back showing it to be decent…. Could well be sust labelled as Enanthate I guess but we will never know as long as it does the job

 

[qbkilla]

Enathate for pip but then I’ve seen HRT clinics in America have been having issues with Cyp just crashing constantly

Hear anything about prop?

 

[massephase]

US. I remember hearing about a bad test e batch that made its rounds but to this day, all the test e I have tried does a number on me. Primo enth, tren enth, have all caused my noticeable pain. I dont have the same issue with the ace ester. So far anything prop or enanthate is a no use for me.

I noticed I could use small amounts, like a 1/10 of a cc, so I would use that amount and the rest would be cyp or a mix of whatever I was running.

I made the mistake in a rush one day recently of using a whole ml of that test e....I couldnt sleep on my side for over a week, no gym, and I had a limp. Im giving it all to someone else. I havent heard anyone else complain so I thought it was just me.

Interesting. I never noticed a difference with esthers, for me it has always been tied to the lab. Either the oil from a lab hurts (usually accompanied by redness and swelling) or it doesn't.

With the current one I use, you could literally swap out the test or whatever with vegetable oil and I wouldn't notice a difference. Enanthate, Cypionate, Propionate, Acetate, Undecylenate ... doesn't matter.