Ultimate theory of bodybuilding?

[tkav1980]

im sitting here thinking, and yes being a post whore...dont judge me i need my fix of promuscle after it being down for a week...lol that with all the knowledge accumulated on bodybuilding are we getting to one complete all encompassing theory of bodybuilding? years ago it started with things like the Weider Principle, volume training, and drug use. and since then the knowledge of how the body works, why it responds to training, and radical thinking have developed programs like DC training, and the way yates trains, with lower volume, more intensity and more frequency. our knowledge of how to manipulate hormones and things like them has helped to create some of the most awe inspiring bodys ever to walk the planet. there are people on this board alone walking around looking like comic book super heros. i believe, and this is just an opinion, that we are verry close to almost a bible of body building and exercise in general. yes genetics play a role, as well as a persons individuality, however people with less than great genetics have used this knowledge to take themselves far beyond what they could have 15 years ago. the encyclopedia of bodybuilding was a great book for its time but i think its time for volume 2. how does everyone else feel about this?

 

[tkav1980]

im surprised noone chimed in yet.

 

[eroc613]

my first book on bodybuilding

I actually remember reading it everday. I forgot how much I time I spent reading that book. Now I come to this board for the answers to most of my questions. I think a book about the many different ways to approach bodybuilding would be great. Hell if someone took the time to tranfer all the knowledge on this forum into a book it wood proabably sell like Arnold's book.

 

[TJB]

My truth..

Progressively Big weights + Big Compound moves + Big appetite = BIG Person..

Ohhh and eat your vegetables...:st:r-wars

 

[jm425]

Progressively Big weights + Big Compound moves + Big appetite = BIG Person..

Ohhh and eat your vegetables...:st:r-wars

Yes, but what separates us bbers from fat ass linemen is diet and isolation movements. You can be a big mother fucker but knowledge about proper training and diet are key to being big AND ripped. Anybody can put on muscle, but only hardcore bbers can put on muscle and get ripped.

 

[TJB]

mmmmmmm

Yes, but what separates us bbers from fat ass linemen is diet and isolation movements. You can be a big mother fucker but knowledge about proper training and diet are key to being big AND ripped. Anybody can put on muscle, but only hardcore bbers can put on muscle and get ripped.

If you say so.......

 

[buselmo]

you know, there is a book that i consider the "new" bodybuilding bible. i read it around 4 or 5 years ago. It talks about almost everything... except for drug use because it's geared more towards natural trainers. When i read it, i didn't do exactly what it said because i wasn't buying the whole "do less sets and you'll grow more"... i gave it to a friend, and i've been trying to get it back for years but it's always "i gave it to another friend, who gave it to another friend... etc"...
It was simple, effective, and... well... let's just say if alot of advanced people here read it, they'd say "shit! if only i found this book 10 years ago, it wouldn't have took me this long to figure out what works for me"

I know i sound like a goddamn commercial... but the book is really good if you want to read it. somehow it got so fucking pricey, that it would be much cheaper to hire someone experienced to help you rather than read the book.
it used to cost $30 4 or 5 years ago... now it's around $100.

the book is called musclenow... google it. it's a corny website and shit, but the book is really really good.

 

[jm425]

If you say so.......

LOL. I DO SAY SO!!! I see these guys walking around and at my gym that have 21 inch arms but boy are they fat asses. Obviously they lift but they also go to mcdonalds ED and don't know the meaning of eating clean. Are they bbers? No.

 

[Dubs]

Progressively Big weights + Big Compound moves + Big appetite = BIG Person..

Ohhh and eat your vegetables...:st:r-wars

I agree completely man!
I never thought that way til reading/training DC style.. But now i know isolation movements ARENT NEEDED.
When a muscle contracts, it contracts. period.

Yes, but what separates us bbers from fat ass linemen is diet and isolation movements. You can be a big mother fucker but knowledge about proper training and diet are key to being big AND ripped. Anybody can put on muscle, but only hardcore bbers can put on muscle and get ripped.

...getting "ripped" is all about diet and cardio.. I, as well as many others, agree that isolation movements arent needed.. A muscle doesnt know WHERE its contracting, it just contracts.

 

[Golgo13]

The evolution I see:

70's - Lifting heavy, compound movements, infrequent, intense

80's and 90's - Lifting light, isolation movements, frequent, not intense

Now - Lifting heavy, compound movements, infrequent, intense

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

Anybody can put on muscle, but only hardcore bbers can put on muscle and get ripped.

Anybody can put on muscle? Man you need to walk 6 months in my shoes at some of the trainees i have to try changing.....ever try training anyone who has the genetics of a Woody Allen or Jim Carrey? If it was that easy to put on muscle noone would ever ask a question on these message boards....yet you have hundreds of thousands of people on them trying to put on their next pound of muscle mass.

Getting ripped = 3-5 months of dieting
Getting huge = 6-20 years of backbreaking work in the gym and at the dinner table.

You make the call.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

LOL. I DO SAY SO!!! I see these guys walking around and at my gym that have 21 inch arms but boy are they fat asses. Obviously they lift but they also go to mcdonalds ED and don't know the meaning of eating clean. Are they bbers? No.

How many people have 21 inch arms? True 21 inch arms. .01% of the people in gyms across the country? When that guy diets down for 3-5 months how much is he going to totally smoke you in physique because he put his work in?
My point is this, why does someone have to make you happy and follow your credo? You like to stay in shape year round and most likely that doesnt lend itself to any major changes or people coming up to you and saying "my god you are absolutely gigantic".....so be it....thats your choice. If a guy wants to look like Trey Brewer offseason year round and he is happy as a pig in sh*t doing so......thats his perogative. Just as its the perogative of the guy who wants to stay in shape year round 12-15 pounds from stage weight...if he is happy doing so....more power to him.

 

[pesty4077]

Anybody can put on muscle? Man you need to walk 6 months in my shoes.....ever try training anyone who has the genetics of a Woody Allen or Jim Carrey? If it was that easy to put on muscle noone would ever ask a question on these message boards....yet you have hundreds of thousands of people on them trying to put on their next pound of muscle mass.

Getting ripped = 3-5 months of dieting
Getting huge = 6-20 years of backbreaking work in the gym and at the dinner table.

You make the call.

AGREED! It took me 25 years to put on 50 pounds, I got know problem getting ripped, I love to have more muscle size.

 

[bhumik]

Creatine Kinase: - Low and high responder

I have been reading about creatine Kinase, and it seems taht there are two types of people. Low responder and high responder. low responders are the ones whose CK doesnt get too high after a workout while high responders are the ones whose CK goes up to 10 to 12 times upper limit after workout.
CK is a measurement of muscle damage.
Low responders are also believed to carry more muscle mass and thickness. I am guessing lots of pro are low responders and can get away with high volume because their muscle isnt being broken down too much. But for high responders (i am one, my ck shoots up to 1200-3000) you are better off with short intense workouts. thats just my theory and only one piece to the genetic puzzle.

wht r ur thoughts???

 

[Nssca]

People like Coleman, Nasser and flex are one in a few million that have both genetics drive and opportunity to take the time and effort to follow BB to the extreme.

Just like Jordan is one in a million in Basketball, Tiger woods in Golf. These men are born and not made. They had those gifts and the drive to follow their gifts.
I agree with ya DC. 99.9% of us just don't have the combination to be Mr. Olympia material...look at how many have entered contests on every level and never won a thing...probably hundreds of thousands over the last 40-50 years.
But, the knowledge and training has come far and far more excessable to the masses. And roids have become far more excessable to the masses.

Roids make the average guy much bigger but nature makes Champions.
Bottom line is you either have it or ya don't to go all the way.

But dreaming cant hurt ! I know Dorian didn't look like he could be Mr. Olympia some day when he first picked up a dumbbell....so there is only one way to know for sure...GO FOR IT !!!

 

[airpendleton23]

AGREED! It took me 25 years to put on 50 pounds, I got know problem getting ripped, I love to have more muscle size.

25 years? Holy shit thats some dedication. I thought I had bad genetics because i didn't get to the 50 pound mark until 2 years into my training. More power to you though bro, thats what life is all about.

DC is on the money with this as usual. There are guys who have been trying to get huge for 10+ years and aren't even half way there. Guys who have juiced, tried every training method in the book, blown half their paycheck on food and protein powder, i've seen it over and over again. But I don't know anyone who considers themselves to be a bodybuilder that couldn't be ripped and stage ready in 6 months with proper diet and training.

 

[airpendleton23]

People like Coleman, Nasser and flex are one in a few million that have both genetics drive and opportunity to take the time and effort to follow BB to the extreme.

Just like Jordan is one in a million in Basketball, Tiger woods in Golf. These men are born and not made. They had those gifts and the drive to follow their gifts.
I agree with ya DC. 99.9% of us just don't have the combination to be Mr. Olympia material...look at how many have entered contests on every level and never won a thing...probably hundreds of thousands over the last 40-50 years.
But, the knowledge and training has come far and far more excessable to the masses. And roids have become far more excessable to the masses.

Roids make the average guy much bigger but nature makes Champions.
Bottom line is you either have it or ya don't to go all the way.

But dreaming cant hurt ! I know Dorian didn't look like he could be Mr. Olympia some day when he first picked up a dumbbell....so there is only one way to know for sure...GO FOR IT !!!

There is no doubt that genetics play a huge roll in the creation of a professional athlete. But dont discount hard work and dedication either. Tiger Woods was swinging a golf club consistently from the age of 2. Jordan didn't even make the high school varsity team as a sophmore. These guys certainly have a genetic gift, but i give them the credit for tapping into it. I think a lot of people have "the gift' and never even realize it. They simply will never put in the work to find out. Watch video's about Jordan, he used to get kicked out of his school's gym by the janitors at night. He got suspended because he was skipping class and in the gym working out. Every player who ever played with Larry Bird can confirm that he was ALWAYS the first guy to the gym, and the last guy to leave, every single day, be it practice, game day, whichever.

It's easy to half ass your way through life and blame everything on genetics, but don't sell yourself short until you have put in the work that "the gifted" are putting in every day.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

I just have a personal problem with people who arent "realists" in bodybuilding. Some people believe that hard work and dedication will be the big equalizer and if it isnt they say the standard statement to save their ego...... "oh he must be juiced to the gills" (and they think thats the difference between them and he.)

You will definitely know when you have pro bodybuilder genetics....you will fly right by your friends in the gym doing the same exact things they are doing....in 2 years of training you will most likely be double their size.

It pains me when I see guys on muscle boards and they think the reason they arent pro bodybuilders is because of some secret stack or something they dont know about.

And I want to say something to the effect of this....

Do you see these football players below? Michael Pittman and the other football players? What do you think would happen to their physiques if they were doing the exact same diet, training and supplementation you are doing? They would fly right by you because of their genetic superiority to you and dwarf you in a short matter of time and there is no secret, there is no secret substance A-47 from Bulgaria, and its nothing but their mom and pop gave them 100x the genetics for bodybuilding your mom and pop gave you.

 

[pesty4077]

One guy who comes to mind as far as genetics is Sergio Oliva. He was a step up on everyone and it wasn't dued to AAS.

 

[jm425]

How many people have 21 inch arms? True 21 inch arms. .01% of the people in gyms across the country? When that guy diets down for 3-5 months how much is he going to totally smoke you in physique because he put his work in?
My point is this, why does someone have to make you happy and follow your credo? You like to stay in shape year round and most likely that doesnt lend itself to any major changes or people coming up to you and saying "my god you are absolutely gigantic".....so be it....thats your choice. If a guy wants to look like Trey Brewer offseason year round and he is happy as a pig in sh*t doing so......thats his perogative. Just as its the perogative of the guy who wants to stay in shape year round 12-15 pounds from stage weight...if he is happy doing so....more power to him.

All I'm saying is that the definition of a true bber is one that is big and ripped. Anybody can eat shit for food and gain mass with a good routine up to a certain point. However, I do agree with you when you say that genetics make a big difference and how hard your bust your ass in the gym. I have also studied your DC training, applied them and have made progress as far as my strength gains and muscle gains. I'm probably the hardest worker in my gym and I know I don't have the best genetics in the world, but my hard work, dedication, routine and diet have gotten me to 5'7, 220 at 15%.