up'ing the dose every 4 weeks?

[wukillabee]

WHY ARE YOU ON HERE AGAIN ANSWERING DRUG QUESTIONS!!!!!!??????

You had not done a cycle yet at 19 years old 4-3-2010
http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/58522-d-bol-test-e-questions.html
He went back and deleted the original question above^^^^


Drug advice being givenby a 19 year old with no cycle experience or proper education.everything from prohormones ,HGH,PCT,HCG,A.I.'s,lab reviews,esters,doses,fat burners,cycle lengths,half- lives,orals:

7-25-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...93-hgh-lab-movie-test-my-self.html#post824263
7-25-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/beginners-forum/62362-mdrol-test-c.html#post824496
7-17-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...84-those-you-who-use-aromasin.html#post820087
6-24-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...44-how-crucial-would-hcg-here.html#post807156
6-24-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...-would-you-rate-qv-products-2.html#post807511
6-21-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...61523-puffy-nips-gyno-end-pct.html#post805899
6-15-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...-bulking-short-esters-cutting.html#post802582
5-27-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...-cyle-you-have-gotten-results.html#post791013
4-21-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...scle-forum/59173-blast-past-4.html#post769090
4-17-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...orum/59075-first-timer-my-pct.html#post766546
5-13-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...cle-forum/60090-eca-without-e.html#post782355
4-12-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...orum/59075-first-timer-my-pct.html#post766546
5-5-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...lf-cycle-no-product-help-help.html#post777399
5-10-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...forum/59957-2-quick-questions.html#post780243
5-10-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/beginners-forum/59955-first-real-cycle.html#post780227
5-8-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f.../59830-tbol-only-cycle-review.html#post778987
5-7-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f.../59830-tbol-only-cycle-review.html#post778634
5-7-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f...garding-how-do-hgh-injections.html#post778397
5-6-2010 http://www.professionalmuscle.com/f.../59830-tbol-only-cycle-review.html#post778185

Let me clarify myself guys.This kid is 19/20 years old and weighs about 170lbs! he had a thread a few months ago asking questions about his first cycle.
Everyone said to wait and he got all pissy and disappeared for awhile.

Now he is back answering questions all over the board related to hormones and dosages,A.I's,etc...

He also had a thread looking for a gyno surgeon!?!? So you went and did your first cycle and need Gyno surgery now??

ironically,you gave advice to a guy with gyno asking about A.I.'s and you told him "lower the test to safer levels" well ,even HRT dosages aromatize and exacerbate or cause gyno kid..Yet your sitting with a set of titties after one cycle giving advice on how to avoid gyno!!!
YOU ARE NOT QAULIFIED THROUGH PROPER EDUCATION OR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE TO BE OFFERING DRUG ADVICE YOUNG FELLA!!!

You should be banned!!

Good detective work. Don't u just love internet personas, lol. I see these kids on all th

 

[wukillabee]

many times i have been accused to mentioning high doses..... i just want to make this clear ... that i do not advocate high doses....

i was just giving my opinion on the myostatin study...
my point was ... if a 200 pounder is eating 500 grams of protien + 400grams of carbs and 125 grams of healthy fats.... does a cycle of 500mg test for 8 weeks and gains 15 pounds and plateaus.

at this point what is the guy supposed to do in order to continue his muscle gains...

should he increase his calories, go from 500grams of protien to 650grams
400 grams of carbs to 700grams and 125 grams of fats to 250 grams of fats...

now what i am trying to convey here is that we cannot over expect from an already excellent diet.

now if the guy ups his dosage ... will he able to continue making gains in muscle mass ... yes... but the sides(increased risk of hypogonadism+ increased haematocrit levels any many others) will increase or start appearing too...

but again we as bodybuilders need a drug cycle system(same as training systems and dieting systems)...... with which we can make muscle gains with relatively safe dosages( dosages with which we can still stay healthy)...or rather the need to increase the dose is minimized as much as possible....

long back trevor smith made some great points.... on short cycles... and i modified it according to my needs..
week 1 to 6 long Estered test + some Anabolic
week 1 to 6 HCG 1000iu/week +A.I
week 7 to 8 test P

week 9 to 12 clomid + nolvadex hypothalamus pitutary awakening therapy.(and then you don loose too much muscle in those 4 weeks... if some is too scared.)

what i proposed was if a person does this kind of a cycle there will be a less need to up the dosage therefore a better drug cycle system as campared to increasing the dosage every 4 th 6th or 8 th week...

trevor smith himself mentioned in his article ....that instead of being on straight for 8 months( with ever increasing dosage) out of 12 months
same amount of ON time can be achieved while being ...8+4+8+4+8+4+8+4......now 4 x (8+4) = 8 months on and 4 months off.....

but again i repeat ... that the need to up the dosage with 8weeks on+4 weeks off style will be less than campared to 8 months staight on and 4 months off........

maybe the person would need to up the dosage every 4th or 5th cycle...but untill that time the person has gained a good amount of muscle with relative safety....

I understand the point ur trying to make and actually agree! In theory this way of cycleing does make more sense then say being on a steady or increased dose for 8mths straight then 4mths off vs. this way of cycling. For all the haters, whos to say any particular way of cycling is the golden rule? Isn't this all about shocking the body and trying new methods just as we do with diet and training routines? So whos to say 8 week cycles are the only way to go or 8 weeks then increase ur dose/add a different compound, or 14+ week cycles are the only way to go? I say try all the methods out and see what cycling method works best for you since we're all different and all respond differently to these same drugs. I actually think ima run my next cycle this way and see how it goes compared to previously when i run 14 week straight cycles. Thanks for the read bro!

 

[cooper250]

what works for me, and ive tried every cycleing thory out there.is 5-8 weeks on test only then cruise at 100mg test a week till i feel ready to start up again which is normaly around weeks 5 or 6 of being off.im 34yr. so at my age and from yrs. of use my nuts r shot and see no point in doing a full pct. but do like to run hcg w/cyclesjust for the hell of it. im no monster or expert but this what i have just realised works for me.now if ur younger say in ur 20's then i would not recomend this,u should do full pct ect. i tried the whole L. rea and others short cycle theories of 4 weeks on 2 weeks off for a full yr. and to be honest felt like shit and hemoglobin and hct along with blood preassure was high.
also i feel that cruising at anything above 150mg test is to much if u care about ur health ect. i mean shit some doing 500mg test as a cruise thats a cycle for me.just my thoughts................

 

[kid1dakota]

Good detective work. Don't u just love internet personas, lol. I see these kids on all th

yep,lol.This being PROFESSIONALmuscle people kind of expect that the posters are experienced,educated,and safe users.

I don't think anybody has an issue with him being on here to learn and grow(probably more so in the beginners forum).But NOT to be on here giving advice on potentially dangerous pharmaceuticlas he has no idea or experience with or the ramifications of someone taking his HORRIBLE advice.

 

[dr intensity]

yep,lol.This being PROFESSIONALmuscle people kind of expect that the posters are experienced,educated,and safe users.

I don't think anybody has an issue with him being on here to learn and grow(probably more so in the beginners forum).But NOT to be on here giving advice on potentially dangerous pharmaceuticlas he has no idea or experience with or the ramifications of someone taking his HORRIBLE advice.

i agree it needs a lot of theoritical knowledge and practical experience.
-understanding the effects of drugs on human physiology,
-testosterone and its effect on muscle endocrinology and its various esters.
-now there are ten different philosophies regarding PCT.
-effect of growth hormone and insulin.
-when to use what anabolics
-side effects of various AAS (ex tren =nephrotoxic) and how to deal with them.
- Ancillary drug usage (Hcg , AIs, Clomid, tamoxifen citrate, liver support,baby aspirin, sustained release niacin, FISHoil pills , multivitamins CQ10 )

-how to deal or prevention for with raised haemaocrit levels, other lipid profile damage, cardiovascular damage like lt ventricular hypertrophy, liver damage, kidney damages, hypogonadism and infertily gynaecomastia....

-how to create drug cycles
- reasearching drug cycling philosophiies by various Gurus( dave palumbo, w.llelymn, trevor smith, jason mueller and the legendary dante trudel( dante will hand me my ass for this.... but i have to say one can learn alot from reading your posts) then our own BIG A..... these people have mastered their own philosophies... and we can learn a lot from them.

these are the basics i think a person should be through with.
now all these things require a lot of reading to get an indepth understanding for the above before one considers doing a drug cycle.

 

[kid1dakota]

True and don't forget BLOOD PRESSURE!
Were you as disappointed after the pharmacology classes as I was?
I was really hoping to learn about hormones etc.. but that section was very brief and not real in depth.I guess they figured the guys/gals that really need more will get it if endocrinolgy or urology is their path.But good list of things to consider and research to be safe and educated.

i agree it needs a lot of theoritical knowledge and practical experience.
-understanding the effects of drugs on human physiology,
-testosterone and its effect on muscle endocrinology and its various esters.
-now there are ten different philosophies regarding PCT.
-effect of growth hormone and insulin.
-when to use what anabolics
-side effects of various AAS (ex tren =nephrotoxic) and how to deal with them.
- Ancillary drug usage (Hcg , AIs, Clomid, tamoxifen citrate, liver support,baby aspirin, sustained release niacin, FISHoil pills , multivitamins CQ10 )

-how to deal or prevention for with raised haemaocrit levels, other lipid profile damage, cardiovascular damage like lt ventricular hypertrophy, liver damage, kidney damages, hypogonadism and infertily gynaecomastia....

-how to create drug cycles
- reasearching drug cycling philosophiies by various Gurus( dave palumbo, w.llelymn, trevor smith, jason mueller and the legendary dante trudel( dante will hand me my ass for this.... but i have to say one can learn alot from reading your posts) then our own BIG A..... these people have mastered their own philosophies... and we can learn a lot from them.

these are the basics i think a person should be through with.
now all these things require a lot of reading to get an indepth understanding for the above before one considers doing a drug cycle.

 

[dr intensity]

True and don't forget BLOOD PRESSURE!
Were you as disappointed after the pharmacology classes as I was?
I was really hoping to learn about hormones etc.. but that section was very brief and not real in depth.I guess they figured the guys/gals that really need more will get it if endocrinolgy or urology is their path.But good list of things to consider and research to be safe and educated.

oh yes... i was disappointed... just to read a small paragraph written on oxymethalone given for aplastic anemia....lol...

 

[Johnny Smiles]

my doctor

How is it "bro science" when you suggest in the BLAST FROM THE PAST thread kid1dakota posted that "tapering is what the doctors suggest" ?

Which doctors have suggested this

my doctor said to taper down. even if gear has long esters he said taper down to let body have time to adjust (i was kinda on high dose). he didn't even recommend PCT or anything. just kinda laughed that off lol.
i am not saying he is right, but a doctors opinion is always interesting....
-JS

 

[ZILLAMAN]

Why not raise the dose at the time when you actually hit a plateau?

There are certain compounds that I have NEVER hit a plateau with. Id be an idiot to raise the dose just because its the 4th week.

100% agree

 

[kid1dakota]

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