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Using Yohimbine HCL on a Bulk

i swear i tolerate Yohimbine hcl wooorse the older i get. Used to be a part of every cut down phase.
Now something as simple as 5-7mg makes me feel like shit. Even after adding in a carb meal, i just feel terrible for an addition 2-4 hrs.
 
This whole concept of yours, paradoxically despite many people opposing it makes sense. I wouldn't recommend it to a competitor because such a person wants to maximize each stage of preparation, so we use those things that will help us achieve the best result in a given phase, but if you don't compete and just want to look good all year round and basically your "mass" periods are a small calorie surplus I think it can be quite helpful in your goal.

However, I would personally use cadarin instead of yohibin during the carolic plus - it would have more additional benefits in this period
Haha, yeah I just do all this for fun so it gives me alot of opportunity to expiriment and possibly achieve non optimal results with the effort of getting answers. Cardarine is interesting, looks like it's just a more effective way of oxidizing fatty acids than Yohimbine.

I have read some anecdotes of people absolutely praising Yohimbine for fat loss and recomp (Some guy said that his abdominal area was one of the first areas that he lost weight when using Yohimbine). All of this sounds too good to be true, so I have to prove it myself
 
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Depends how you administer it. Sc and IM have completely different profiles.

IM serum levels rise pretty rapidly within an hour
I remember Kurt Havens referencing IM HGH administration and why it is a bad idea.

You lose about 20% effectiveness going IM, and it also triggers an immune response by the body.


Time stamp should be 52:40
 
i swear i tolerate Yohimbine hcl wooorse the older i get. Used to be a part of every cut down phase.
Now something as simple as 5-7mg makes me feel like shit. Even after adding in a carb meal, i just feel terrible for an addition 2-4 hrs.
Interesting, sounds like you became more sensitive to changes in your norepinephrine levels.

I wonder if individuals with ADHD tolerate Yohimbine much more easily, I anecdotally do.
 
Haha, yeah I just do all this for fun so it gives me alot of opportunity to expiriment and possibly achieve non optimal results with the effort of getting answers. Cardarine is interesting, looks like it's just a more effective way of oxidizing fatty acids than Yohimbine.

I have read some anecdotes of people absolutely praising Yohimbine for fat loss and recomp (Some guy said that his abdominal area was one of the first areas that he lost weight when using Yohimbine). All of this sounds too good to be true, so I have to prove it myself

Personally, I really like yohimbine and I actually use it quite often with my clients — almost always to be honest. It’s usually the first fat burner I introduce.
Most people tend to do the opposite and save it for later, since yohimbine is known to help with stubborn fat areas — like glutes, lower back, hamstrings — just like you mentioned.
But that’s exactly why I like using it earlier like 12 weeks out from a show for example. I prefer to start mobilizing that stubborn fat early so it doesn’t all stick around at the end and force you to suffer just to burn it off.
That’s my logic anyway — and at least in practice it works really well. Maybe theory says something else, maybe it’s better to add it later like most people do, but what I’ve been doing has been solid across the board.
 
I remember Kurt Havens referencing IM HGH administration and why it is a bad idea.

You lose about 20% effectiveness going IM, and it also triggers an immune response by the body.


Time stamp should be 52:40

Nothing against Kurt, but I’ve always done GH intramuscular — pretty much my whole life — and I’ve seen results. Maybe it’s just because I run higher doses, who knows, but it works.
Most people I know who do it that way, and my clients too and they all get results. And funny enough, it always seems like the guys who do the things Kurt says are “pointless” or “don’t work” somehow end up being bigger and more muscular than him...🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Personally, I really like yohimbine and I actually use it quite often with my clients — almost always to be honest. It’s usually the first fat burner I introduce.
Most people tend to do the opposite and save it for later, since yohimbine is known to help with stubborn fat areas — like glutes, lower back, hamstrings — just like you mentioned.
But that’s exactly why I like using it earlier like 12 weeks out from a show for example. I prefer to start mobilizing that stubborn fat early so it doesn’t all stick around at the end and force you to suffer just to burn it off.
That’s my logic anyway — and at least in practice it works really well. Maybe theory says something else, maybe it’s better to add it later like most people do, but what I’ve been doing has been solid across the board.
Actually, that's incredibly advantageous what you are doing. I apologize for the lack of source, but Yohimbine becomes more effective the longer you take it, and you do not build a tolerance to its mechanism of action. I don't see why someone would not want such an advantage from the get-go. Other compounds? Makes sense to hold off.
 
Nothing against Kurt, but I’ve always done GH intramuscular — pretty much my whole life — and I’ve seen results. Maybe it’s just because I run higher doses, who knows, but it works.
Most people I know who do it that way, and my clients too and they all get results. And funny enough, it always seems like the guys who do the things Kurt says are “pointless” or “don’t work” somehow end up being bigger and more muscular than him...🤷🏻‍♂️
Interesting! This is why I like hearing anecdotes on forums. The studies do not always translate to reality
 
I appreciate the input and completely agree there is no tool that will beat out a cheating diet (besides high dose tren I guess?).

I guess by cheating on my diet I mean my once a week Sunday dinner with my mom. Polish food is hard to throw into macrofactor lol, but it's just healthy home cooked stuff.
That cheat is negating the potential. 01oz of fat you would burn using y on a bulk.

Basically what your doing is the equivalent of dropping out of high school so you can focus on opening up a lemonade stand in your front yard. Or picture a 300lb guy searching for the perfect cologne to get women vs focusing on losing weight.
 
Do you guys get the adrenal gland burnout from yohimbine, kind of like you would with tren?

After like 6 weeks of tren my adrenaline capacity is just shot. Wondering if it’s similar with yohimbine?
 
I feel like all the pre-workouts that people use with a large amount of caffeine would be dropped if they were inhibiting muscle gain? Im on adderall for my adhd lol so im stuck with them either way.

After I incorporated cardio I have put on much more quality size. Allows me to run the DC training protocol more effectively (not running out of aerobic capability on all my rest pause sets), and my bloodwork has gotten much better. I agree, everyone is different, but for me it has a huge benefit.

Anyways, yeah, I am super interested to run this experiment and see what happens. The theory with yohimbine is the longer you run it, the better it works so I will incorporate a saturation phase in my maintenance period before transferring to a bulk.
Pre workouts absolutely inhibit muscle gain not just thru vaso constriction but killing your appetite and fucking with your sleep. Not being disrespectful to anyone but if you are not on a serious cut and you need 300 mg of caffeine to train hard you’re prolly in the wrong game. I do however love yohimbine and it is not nearly as catabolic as caffeine is. I’ll be honest I’m hyper sensitive to it but like the results. Ergo pharm used to make a gyno blocking/localized fat burning spray don’t remember all of it but 6 OXO and it was orange bc the real yohimbine in it mixed in DMSO and it worked and well especially if you had puffy nips coming on. The biggest thing with Yohimbine is does it hurt your appetite and how close to bed are you taking it bc it will affect sleep and until you’re actually in a cut the 4 pillars Food, Water, Workouts, and sleep (recovery) should not be compromised if growing muscle is your goal. Eating cleaner to stay leaner during a bulk supplants yohimbine every time but if you can take it and not compromise those 4 then yes you’ll be leaner and it does have an impact on estrogen I believe even if it’s a small one which obviously affects how much and where you store fat.
 
Do you guys get the adrenal gland burnout from yohimbine, kind of like you would with tren?

After like 6 weeks of tren my adrenaline capacity is just shot. Wondering if it’s similar with yohimbine?
Sounds like your body is throwing out a stress response to cortisol-elevating compounds, could have a low tolerance for it. I have had the same experience on tren, I have not ran Yohimbine for that period of time though. Just started today, I will let you know.
 
That cheat is negating the potential. 01oz of fat you would burn using y on a bulk.

Basically what your doing is the equivalent of dropping out of high school so you can focus on opening up a lemonade stand in your front yard. Or picture a 300lb guy searching for the perfect cologne to get women vs focusing on losing weight.
I think I may have misconstrued what I consider a cheat meal. It is not a blow-out type event, I maintain portion control.

These meals aren't a full pizza, they are for example, a bowl of goulash which I substitute for my usual dinner. Lean beef with vegetables is probably not negating my potential to a noteworthy level.
 
This whole concept of yours, paradoxically despite many people opposing it makes sense. I wouldn't recommend it to a competitor because such a person wants to maximize each stage of preparation, so we use those things that will help us achieve the best result in a given phase, but if you don't compete and just want to look good all year round and basically your "mass" periods are a small calorie surplus I think it can be quite helpful in your goal.

However, I would personally use cadarin instead of yohibin during the carolic plus - it would have more additional benefits in this period
+1 for cardarine. I use it year round.
 
Pre workouts absolutely inhibit muscle gain not just thru vaso constriction but killing your appetite and fucking with your sleep. Not being disrespectful to anyone but if you are not on a serious cut and you need 300 mg of caffeine to train hard you’re prolly in the wrong game. I do however love yohimbine and it is not nearly as catabolic as caffeine is. I’ll be honest I’m hyper sensitive to it but like the results. Ergo pharm used to make a gyno blocking/localized fat burning spray don’t remember all of it but 6 OXO and it was orange bc the real yohimbine in it mixed in DMSO and it worked and well especially if you had puffy nips coming on. The biggest thing with Yohimbine is does it hurt your appetite and how close to bed are you taking it bc it will affect sleep and until you’re actually in a cut the 4 pillars Food, Water, Workouts, and sleep (recovery) should not be compromised if growing muscle is your goal. Eating cleaner to stay leaner during a bulk supplants yohimbine every time but if you can take it and not compromise those 4 then yes you’ll be leaner and it does have an impact on estrogen I believe even if it’s a small one which obviously affects how much and where you store fat.
This is making a mountain out of a mole hill bro. No one is missing out on gains due to using pre workout unless they are legit so stimmed out they can’t get sleep.
 
+1 for cardarine. I use it year round.

What dose and what results have you seen from it? any differences in progress, performance, body composition or blood work? ive heard its good for lipids for example.

@Sector i feel like my adrenals are overtaxed from the day i start yohimbine, even 1-2mg and it just gets worse lol.
 
I remember Kurt Havens referencing IM HGH administration and why it is a bad idea.

You lose about 20% effectiveness going IM, and it also triggers an immune response by the body.


Time stamp should be 52:40
Dr. Scott Stevenson did a presentation demonstrating that IM vs SubQ gh doesn't really make a difference, IM might be more advantageous as it yields a higher peak release, and that what Kurt claims is bogus.

The discussion begins at 15:00

 
Dr. Scott Stevenson did a presentation demonstrating that IM vs SubQ gh doesn't really make a difference, IM might be more advantageous as it yields a higher peak release, and that what Kurt claims is bogus.

The discussion begins at 15:00

Interesting! Thank you for the link. Damn, always thought he was like the god of gh. There goes that lol
 
Dr. Scott Stevenson did a presentation demonstrating that IM vs SubQ gh doesn't really make a difference, IM might be more advantageous as it yields a higher peak release, and that what Kurt claims is bogus.

The discussion begins at 15:00

Kurt also claims that generic gh only works 50% in the ratio of 1iu:1iu from pharma and that a bottle of serostim a day is the minimum to work on muscle growth and also that test C or npp are completely useless 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
What dose and what results have you seen from it? any differences in progress, performance, body composition or blood work? ive heard its good for lipids for example.

@Sector i feel like my adrenals are overtaxed from the day i start yohimbine, even 1-2mg and it just gets worse lol.
Better lipids is the main benefit imo. As far as progress, performance and body comp I don’t notice that much since I’m already on AAS and GH. Maybe slightly easier cardio sessions 🤷‍♂️
 

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