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Very deep sleep….woke up drenched in sweat.

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On a bunch of peptides as you know and everything going really well. Blood work, body comp, gym performance etc. I’m happy, looking and feeling real good.

I added DSIP 500mcg recently before bed on 4 nights of the week to see how it affects sleep. Been going great, very solid sleep. Much better than usual.

Today is a snow day and wife and I had no plans so I figured I’ll catch up on even more rest. Took 750mcg last night and was OUT. Wake up about 3am to piss and it was like someone threw a bucket of water on me. Head to toe, soaked. Bed and pillow soaked. Tren and DNP never hit the sweat switch like this.

After drying off and going to sleep in the guest room, slept like a baby and woke up feeling great.

Only other variable yesterday was 300mg glutathione injected instead of 200mg and the increase in DSIP as mentioned. All other peptide doses stayed the same.

Any theories? Like I said I feel great, almost like my body hit a detox switch overnight.
 
I tried the insane deep sleep on Dsip, i had like a couple nights where i was almost coma like in my sleep and woke up feeling truly energetic something i havent felt for like 10+ years..
 
I tried the insane deep sleep on Dsip, i had like a couple nights where i was almost coma like in my sleep and woke up feeling truly energetic something i havent felt for like 10+ years..
Yea bro, I heard a few people didn’t notice much but I think it was either too low a dose or it was bunk. The stuff works pretty damn good, I’ve been a light sleeper for years so it’s real nice to actually get into real deep sleep.
 
Yea bro, I heard a few people didn’t notice much but I think it was either too low a dose or it was bunk. The stuff works pretty damn good, I’ve been a light sleeper for years so it’s real nice to actually get into real deep sleep.
Yeah ever since my prison time im a real light sleeper, so i take a fuck ton of stuff for sleep, try to avoid using benzo etc too much, but this stuff pushed my sleep deep down.
 
Your dosage is a little high for DSIP to start. I like to have people start 300mcg or less to see how they tolerate it. I’d drop the dose back a bit or do EOD if it becomes ongoing.

In some people, DSIP lowers the temperature set-point, triggering a rebound sweating response during deeper sleep phases.

Also, not sure what your cycle is, but DSIP is intended to push parasympathetic tone, but in high-stress or high-androgen states it can cause sympathetic rebound which can cause night sweats as well.

If the sweats were around 2-4am it could also be from cortisol rising too early at night. DSIP has a pretty narrow therapeutic window so dose and timing is key.
 
Your dosage is a little high for DSIP to start. I like to have people start 300mcg or less to see how they tolerate it. I’d drop the dose back a bit or do EOD if it becomes ongoing.

In some people, DSIP lowers the temperature set-point, triggering a rebound sweating response during deeper sleep phases.

Also, not sure what your cycle is, but DSIP is intended to push parasympathetic tone, but in high-stress or high-androgen states it can cause sympathetic rebound which can cause night sweats as well.

If the sweats were around 2-4am it could also be from cortisol rising too early at night. DSIP has a pretty narrow therapeutic window so dose and timing is key.
Ah this makes sense, i get an insane cortisol kick around 8 in the morning.. i wake up like a horse kicks the bed and im in full combat mode.
 
I tried DSIP years ago and got nothing out of it. Possibly things have changed or I had a bunk product, but got nothing out of it. Remember reading to maximize DSIP's benefits for sleep you need to administer it through IV injections. Any thoughts on this from the guys that have put the time in on the research side about injecting it intravenously.
 
I tried DSIP years ago and got nothing out of it. Possibly things have changed or I had a bunk product, but got nothing out of it. Remember reading to maximize DSIP's benefits for sleep you need to administer it through IV injections. Any thoughts on this from the guys that have put the time in on the research side about injecting it intravenously.
It’s usually hit or miss for people and based on the individuals nervous system. It all comes down to the autonomic tone.

If someone has chronically high cortisol, hard time falling asleep, low inflammation and generally just “calm” then it usually works great.

On the other end, if you have someone in sympathetic overdrive it can make things worse or not provide much benefit as it simply modulates systems and isn’t sedating.

Basically those who don’t “feel it” don’t need it based on their nervous system.
 
Your dosage is a little high for DSIP to start. I like to have people start 300mcg or less to see how they tolerate it. I’d drop the dose back a bit or do EOD if it becomes ongoing.

In some people, DSIP lowers the temperature set-point, triggering a rebound sweating response during deeper sleep phases.

Also, not sure what your cycle is, but DSIP is intended to push parasympathetic tone, but in high-stress or high-androgen states it can cause sympathetic rebound which can cause night sweats as well.

If the sweats were around 2-4am it could also be from cortisol rising too early at night. DSIP has a pretty narrow therapeutic window so dose and timing is key.
This is good info. I started at 300 and found 500 to be the sweet spot. I only bumped it to 750 because I was free today and wanted to push for the extra sleep.
FAFO I guess 🤣 I’m only doing the 4 nights so back to 500mcg will be fine.

I dropped to TRT doses also about 2-3 weeks ago so the androgen load will be less going forward. Thanks for the post brother
 
I did 1mg of DSIP last night (high dose I know)

But had the best sleep of my life, but similar to you there was some sweating. I feel like for me the sweating related a lot with the intense dreams I was getting? Not sure if you got those as well when you take it. Had like 5 different dreams though that would last for like 2 hours each. Then I’d wake up feeling like I was ready to start the day and full of energy, then fell back asleep and the cycle repeated

Feeling great this morning though. Felt like a solid sleep. But yeah the sweat was definitely elevated a bit last night.
 
This is good info. I started at 300 and found 500 to be the sweet spot. I only bumped it to 750 because I was free today and wanted to push for the extra sleep.
FAFO I guess 🤣 I’m only doing the 4 nights so back to 500mcg will be fine.

I dropped to TRT doses also about 2-3 weeks ago so the androgen load will be less going forward. Thanks for the post brother
I tried the DSIP and it worked well. Just too many pin pricks for me an additional $ but have a few vials on hand for those insomnia filled nights.
Speaking of sweating and flushing I am exploring the benefits of natural gh release now. Finished up the MK677 2 weeks ago.
Been on telsmorelen cjc 1295 ipamorelin and we'll damn the last one the cjc combo gives some horrendous niacin like flushing with warmth. Kicks fast. Also on kisspeptin 300 EOD and just subq trt. The gh pep combos are kicking my ass nice fat burning and fullness as well.
Going to hop back on a very small dose of retatrutide plus tirzepatide to enhance bloodwork and dropping in some slu-pp-332. Inflammation is up and probably going to add in SS31 and once a week cortisone tabs dosed at 2 am.
 
Great timing for this thread as I am just about to start DSIP for the first time and I was contemplating starting at around 250mcg for the first dosing as I saw the dosing range was 100-500mcg.

I won't be throwing all things at myself at once - but I am also excited to try Ipamorelin at 300-1mg pre bed on it's own as well as experimenting with using Cjc-1295noDac + Ipamorelin at 250-300mcg in each of two daily admins.
 
I tried the DSIP and it worked well. Just too many pin pricks for me an additional $ but have a few vials on hand for those insomnia filled nights.
Speaking of sweating and flushing I am exploring the benefits of natural gh release now. Finished up the MK677 2 weeks ago.
Been on telsmorelen cjc 1295 ipamorelin and we'll damn the last one the cjc combo gives some horrendous niacin like flushing with warmth. Kicks fast. Also on kisspeptin 300 EOD and just subq trt. The gh pep combos are kicking my ass nice fat burning and fullness as well.
Going to hop back on a very small dose of retatrutide plus tirzepatide to enhance bloodwork and dropping in some slu-pp-332. Inflammation is up and probably going to add in SS31 and once a week cortisone tabs dosed at 2 am.
Great timing for this thread as I am just about to start DSIP for the first time and I was contemplating starting at around 250mcg for the first dosing as I saw the dosing range was 100-500mcg.

I won't be throwing all things at myself at once - but I am also excited to try Ipamorelin at 300-1mg pre bed on it's own as well as experimenting with using Cjc-1295noDac + Ipamorelin at 250-300mcg in each of two daily admins.
You guys know what you’re doing but I’ll definitely advise add stuff slowly so you can guage what each is doing.

I initially started with Reta, BPC157 and TB500. Once that was running and inflammation went down, fat loss started going I added in SLU. Waited a couple weeks added MOTS C. Those 2 gave sick energy, mental clarity and even more fat loss. Now GHK CU came in and I’ll see how that changes things with DSIP only on nights that I trained heavy that morning to help with sleep/recovery.

I think I have a pretty good handle on what’s doing what by adding in slow like this. The total combination has been a winner for me. Only thing I anticipate adding is SS31 once I finish my SLU and run with that instead for a bit. Everything else will stay the same.

Running in the background…Test 300mg/wk Aromasin 12.5mg/2x wk GH 5iu/day Glutathione 900-1200mg/wk
 
Your dosage is a little high for DSIP to start.
^^^AGREE ..both initial ..& subsequent dose

►i'v experimented with it a few times;
..the wrong way = too much initially ..expected immediate tangible results
&
..the right way (IME) = allow time for the peak effects that would result in deep(er)-sleep
-start @100mcg/day
-increase by 50mcg every 1–2 weeks as tolerated/needed
-work up to 200–300mcg/day in 1-2months

DSIP has a pretty narrow therapeutic window so dose and timing is key.
^^^IMO; this is incomplete .....or not correct
what DSIP has is a very short half-life

►this sounds as if you are basing DSIP's therapeutic-window (..aka it's therapeutic-EFFECT) on DSPI's half-life
..though it is true that DSIP has a very short half-life (..7 minutes)
..it's effects are longer lasting ..boosting deep sleep & aiding stress reduction for several nights after administration
..so DSIP's "therapeutic window" ..ie; it's therapeutic effects ..actually last for days


..so ..IMO .."half-life" is the wrong way to approach DSIP use ..calculate dose ..or interpret it's immediate results
..this is bc studies show that DSIP's beneficial effects extend/last beyond its presence in the bloodstream


►DSIP's magic works by providing significant stress-protection ..& adaptation
..sooo IMO/IME; DSIP (Delta Sleep-Inducing Peptide) is best thought of as a "stress-modulator"
..who's cumulative effects result in deep-restorative-sleep among other benefits


►AI sums Mechanisms of Stress Modulation below;
DSIP appears to influence stress through several key pathways:
  • Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal (HPA) Axis Regulation: DSIP interacts with the HPA axis, the body's central stress response system. It helps regulate and can significantly lower levels of cortisol, the primary stress hormone, when they are elevated due to stress.
  • Neurotransmitter Modulation: The peptide interacts with various neurotransmitter systems in the central nervous system, including the GABAergic and serotonergic pathways, which are critical for relaxation and mood regulation.
  • Antioxidant Effects: Research suggests DSIP has a strong antioxidant effect, helping to mitigate oxidative stress and prevent neuronal damage that can occur under stressful conditions.
  • Improved Sleep Quality: By promoting deep, restorative (delta wave) sleep, DSIP addresses a major factor that contributes to high stress levels. Improved sleep in turn enhances mental resilience and the ability to cope with stress.
  • Neuroprotective Properties: DSIP exhibits neuroprotective properties and can improve motor function and neuronal activity in the brains of animals subjected to stress or ischemia.

Clinical and Research Findings
DSIP's stress-modulating properties have been observed in both animal models and human studies:

  • DSIP injections have been shown to increase animals' resistance to acute emotional stress.
  • In human studies, DSIP treatment for disturbed sleep patterns led to improved stress tolerance and coping behavior during wakefulness.
  • DSIP has also been explored for its potential in treating stress-related conditions like chronic fatigue syndrome and adrenal fatigue.
DSIP is considered a potential research target for conditions related to chronic stress due to its homeostatic and stress-limiting effects. The peptide is generally well-tolerated, with minimal side effects reported in research settings.


↓↓↓ more on this below ↓↓↓

Basically those who don’t “feel it” don’t need it based on their nervous system.
^^^i think many of these guys who "don't feel it" ..just do not understand how DSIP really works
..& miss-out out on capturing it's benefits

DSIP helps normalize circadian (sleep/wake) cycles (..what it's mainly acquired for) ..thru various pathways THIS TAKES TIME
DSIP does NOT act like ..or as ..a direct sedative
i think this is the main "disconnect" for many guys ..bc they think that DSIP acts like a sedative-of-sorts
..they think "..you take it ..& it's puts you out" ..sort of like Benadryl ..or Tylenol-PM .....BUT BETTER
i think a lot guys over-dose DSIP as a result of this misconception



AI SUMS IT UP BELOW;
How DSIP Works (Effects Lasting Longer Than the Peptide Itself)
  • Promotes Restorative Sleep: Instead of sedating, DSIP enhances slow-wave (deep) sleep, improving overall sleep quality and efficiency, leading to better rest even after the peptide is gone.
  • Regulates Stress Hormones: It helps balance the stress response by lowering elevated cortisol levels, which has lasting benefits for mood and physical recovery.
  • Modulates Circadian Rhythms: Repeated use can help reset or shift the body's internal clock, assisting with jet lag or shift work, with effects seen for days after dosing.
  • Neurochemical Influence: It influences neurotransmitters like GABA and NMDA receptors, promoting relaxation and improving the brain's ability to enter restorative states.
  • Hormonal Support: May influence growth hormone (GH) and luteinizing hormone (LH) release, aiding in repair and recovery.
Why the Effects Last Longer Than Its Half-Life
  • System Normalization: DSIP acts as a "programming" molecule, signaling the body to restore natural sleep patterns and stress regulation, creating lasting changes.
  • Indirect Pathways: Its influence on the MAPK pathway and other cellular mechanisms can trigger downstream effects that persist, as seen in its immune-modulating and neuroprotective properties.
In essence, while your body rapidly clears DSIP from the blood, the peptide initiates a cascade of positive changes that continue to improve sleep quality, stress resilience, and overall physiological balance for a significant period afterward



.
 
^^^AGREE ..both initial ..& subsequent dose

►i'v experimented with it a few times;
..the wrong way = too much initially ..expected immediate tangible results
&
..the right way (IME) = allow time for the peak effects that would result in deep(er)-sleep
-start @100mcg/day
-increase by 50mcg every 1–2 weeks as tolerated/needed
-work up to 200–300mcg/day in 1-2months


^^^IMO; this is incomplete .....or not correct
what DSIP has is a very short half-life

►this sounds as if you are basing DSIP's therapeutic-window (..aka it's therapeutic-EFFECT) on DSPI's half-life
..though it is true that DSIP has a very short half-life (..7 minutes)
..it's effects are longer lasting ..boosting deep sleep & aiding stress reduction for several nights after administration
..so DSIP's "therapeutic window" ..ie; it's therapeutic effects ..actually last for days


..so ..IMO .."half-life" is the wrong way to approach DSIP use ..calculate dose ..or interpret it's immediate results
..this is bc studies show that DSIP's beneficial effects extend/last beyond its presence in the bloodstream


►DSIP's magic works by providing significant stress-protection ..& adaptation
..sooo IMO/IME; DSIP (Delta Sleep-Inducing Peptide) is best thought of as a "stress-modulator"
..who's cumulative effects result in deep-restorative-sleep among other benefits


►AI sums Mechanisms of Stress Modulation below;
DSIP appears to influence stress through several key pathways:
  • Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal (HPA) Axis Regulation: DSIP interacts with the HPA axis, the body's central stress response system. It helps regulate and can significantly lower levels of cortisol, the primary stress hormone, when they are elevated due to stress.
  • Neurotransmitter Modulation: The peptide interacts with various neurotransmitter systems in the central nervous system, including the GABAergic and serotonergic pathways, which are critical for relaxation and mood regulation.
  • Antioxidant Effects: Research suggests DSIP has a strong antioxidant effect, helping to mitigate oxidative stress and prevent neuronal damage that can occur under stressful conditions.
  • Improved Sleep Quality: By promoting deep, restorative (delta wave) sleep, DSIP addresses a major factor that contributes to high stress levels. Improved sleep in turn enhances mental resilience and the ability to cope with stress.
  • Neuroprotective Properties: DSIP exhibits neuroprotective properties and can improve motor function and neuronal activity in the brains of animals subjected to stress or ischemia.

Clinical and Research Findings
DSIP's stress-modulating properties have been observed in both animal models and human studies:

  • DSIP injections have been shown to increase animals' resistance to acute emotional stress.
  • In human studies, DSIP treatment for disturbed sleep patterns led to improved stress tolerance and coping behavior during wakefulness.
  • DSIP has also been explored for its potential in treating stress-related conditions like chronic fatigue syndrome and adrenal fatigue.
DSIP is considered a potential research target for conditions related to chronic stress due to its homeostatic and stress-limiting effects. The peptide is generally well-tolerated, with minimal side effects reported in research settings.


↓↓↓ more on this below ↓↓↓


^^^i think many of these guys who "don't feel it" ..just do not understand how DSIP really works
..& miss-out out on capturing it's benefits

DSIP helps normalize circadian (sleep/wake) cycles (..what it's mainly acquired for) ..thru various pathways THIS TAKES TIME
DSIP does NOT act like ..or as ..a direct sedative
i think this is the main "disconnect" for many guys ..bc they think that DSIP acts like a sedative-of-sorts
..they think "..you take it ..& it's puts you out" ..sort of like Benadryl ..or Tylenol-PM .....BUT BETTER
i think a lot guys over-dose DSIP as a result of this misconception



AI SUMS IT UP BELOW;
How DSIP Works (Effects Lasting Longer Than the Peptide Itself)
  • Promotes Restorative Sleep: Instead of sedating, DSIP enhances slow-wave (deep) sleep, improving overall sleep quality and efficiency, leading to better rest even after the peptide is gone.
  • Regulates Stress Hormones: It helps balance the stress response by lowering elevated cortisol levels, which has lasting benefits for mood and physical recovery.
  • Modulates Circadian Rhythms: Repeated use can help reset or shift the body's internal clock, assisting with jet lag or shift work, with effects seen for days after dosing.
  • Neurochemical Influence: It influences neurotransmitters like GABA and NMDA receptors, promoting relaxation and improving the brain's ability to enter restorative states.
  • Hormonal Support: May influence growth hormone (GH) and luteinizing hormone (LH) release, aiding in repair and recovery.
Why the Effects Last Longer Than Its Half-Life
  • System Normalization: DSIP acts as a "programming" molecule, signaling the body to restore natural sleep patterns and stress regulation, creating lasting changes.
  • Indirect Pathways: Its influence on the MAPK pathway and other cellular mechanisms can trigger downstream effects that persist, as seen in its immune-modulating and neuroprotective properties.
In essence, while your body rapidly clears DSIP from the blood, the peptide initiates a cascade of positive changes that continue to improve sleep quality, stress resilience, and overall physiological balance for a significant period afterward



.
Very informative, thank you brother.
 
Took my first dose since the sweat attack. Went back to 500mcg and got very deep sleep with a lot of dreams, no sweat or sides. Woke up ready to go. I really like this compound.

Taking it on Mon/Wed/Fri/Sat nights about 1/2 hour before bed. Those are the days I lift early in the morning so I want max recovery/sleep those nights. My GH shot is about 1/2 hour before that. I can see how the two compliment each other.

Speaking of, for guys taking Tesamorelin or any of the GH stims adding some DSIP might really help by getting you into even deeper sleep and letting Tesa do its GH releasing thing. Just a theory but worth a try in my eyes.
 

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