Very quick intra-workout question

[qbkilla]

Exactly how does it help you?

My opinion you don’t need one unless you are severely dieting or you are big as a house (not fat) and working out intensely for hours at a time which excludes 99.9 percent of the bodybuilding population.

Put hey, if it works for you go for it.

I agree with this. I think water, lemonade, the fastest digestive carb source, if total daily calories are equal they matter very little. It's everything else you do in your training session that matters.

 

[alfresco]

I agree with this. I think water, lemonade, the fastest digestive carb source, if total daily calories are equal they matter very little. It's everything else you do in your training session that matters.

I would say it is everything you do after your workout that matters with the assumption being you are working out hard enough and briefly enough to stimulate muscular growth.

All this ‘intra workout’ crap that people are doing is, in my humble opinion, a waste of time and money and may in fact have a negative impact on your workouts by creating an unnecessary burden on your body (think digestion).

But try convincing all those product shills, the coaches with the kick-backs, all the gullible bodybuilders who are capable of doing and trying just about anything and everything, dangerous or not, productive or not, while most if not all these products are nothing more nor less than than expensive fool’s errand at best, all the while padding the product manufactures wallets. Well you say . . . Mr. so and so contest winner does it does it then it must be good . . . sure. Or look at him; I want to look like him so I will do what he does. Well, good luck.

Now . . . they may be necessary, even ‘probably’ necessary if you are 300lbs of solid muscle and working out for 2 - 3 hours a day, maybe twice a day. And at this point in time, to the best of my knowledge, we don’t have any members like that, not that it matters, but at least you would be hearing it from the horses mouth instead of from the other end.

 

[Nyoco]

I would say it is everything you do after your workout that matters with the assumption being you are working out hard enough and briefly enough to stimulate muscular growth.

All this ‘intra workout’ crap that people are doing is, in my humble opinion, a waste of time and money and may in fact have a negative impact on your workouts by creating an unnecessary burden on your body (think digestion).

But try convincing all those product shills, the coaches with the kick-backs, all the gullible bodybuilders who are capable of doing and trying just about anything and everything, dangerous or not, productive or not, while most if not all these products are nothing more nor less than than expensive fool’s errand at best, all the while padding the product manufactures wallets. Well you say . . . Mr. so and so contest winner does it does it then it must be good . . . sure. Or look at him; I want to look like him so I will do what he does. Well, good luck.

Now . . . they may be necessary, even ‘probably’ necessary if you are 300lbs of solid muscle and working out for 2 - 3 hours a day, maybe twice a day. And at this point in time, to the best of my knowledge, we don’t have any members like that, not that it matters, but at least you would be hearing it from the horses mouth instead of from the other end.

I have to disagree and I talk from personal experience, intra workout vs water has given me more energy during workouts and much better recovery, also better pumps, no burden on the body since what you´re ingesting is easily digested. John Meadows was a big believer in it (he does mention beginners only need water in the video) and you can see why from the 1:50 mark onwards

In case you don´t believe me or John, studies have shown the benefits of intraworkout nutrition for quite some time:

Liquid carbohydrate/essential amino acid ingestion during a short-term bout of resistance exercise suppresses myofibrillar protein degradation - PubMed

A number of physiological events including the level of contractile activity, nutrient status, and hormonal action influence the magnitude of exercise-induced skeletal muscle growth. However, it is not the independent action of a single mechanism, but the complex interaction between events that...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Independent and combined effects of liquid carbohydrate/essential amino acid ingestion on hormonal and muscular adaptations following resistance training in untrained men - PubMed

This investigation examined chronic alteration of the acute hormonal response associated with liquid carbohydrate (CHO) and/or essential amino acid (EAA) ingestion on hormonal and muscular adaptations following resistance training. Thirty-two untrained young men performed 12 weeks of resistance...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[alfresco]

I have to disagree and I talk from personal experience, intra workout vs water has given me more energy during workouts and much better recovery, also better pumps, no burden on the body since what you´re ingesting is easily digested. John Meadows was a big believer in it (he does mention beginners only need water in the video) and you can see why from the 1:50 mark onwards

In case you don´t believe me or John, studies have shown the benefits of intraworkout nutrition for quite some time:

Liquid carbohydrate/essential amino acid ingestion during a short-term bout of resistance exercise suppresses myofibrillar protein degradation - PubMed

A number of physiological events including the level of contractile activity, nutrient status, and hormonal action influence the magnitude of exercise-induced skeletal muscle growth. However, it is not the independent action of a single mechanism, but the complex interaction between events that...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Independent and combined effects of liquid carbohydrate/essential amino acid ingestion on hormonal and muscular adaptations following resistance training in untrained men - PubMed

This investigation examined chronic alteration of the acute hormonal response associated with liquid carbohydrate (CHO) and/or essential amino acid (EAA) ingestion on hormonal and muscular adaptations following resistance training. Thirty-two untrained young men performed 12 weeks of resistance...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Thanks for the info.

I am glad you found something that works for you.

 

[Aikman56]

HBCD, EAA, PepotoPro
John Meadows started me on it in 2012 and I notices an IMMEDIATE improvement in recovery.

I have used other carb sources and protein/aminos when cash was tight or I was out and waiting on my True Nutrition shipment and I (this is just me!) could definitely tell a difference. Differences in digestion, recovery, and just how the different carbs sat on my stomach.

Unless there's a new breakthrough in high molecular-weight carbs one day, it'll always be HBCD/EAA/PeptoPro for me.

 

[MR. BMJ]

A lot of these carb sources are great at lower amounts, which will vary user to user. If yuo are going for high intakes, like 75-100g+ (again, it varies), then that is where HBCD and Karboload etc, help a lot. If you are not shooting for high amounts, you can save money and be fine with dextrose, etc.

 

[qbkilla]

I would say it is everything you do after your workout that matters with the assumption being you are working out hard enough and briefly enough to stimulate muscular growth.

All this ‘intra workout’ crap that people are doing is, in my humble opinion, a waste of time and money and may in fact have a negative impact on your workouts by creating an unnecessary burden on your body (think digestion).

But try convincing all those product shills, the coaches with the kick-backs, all the gullible bodybuilders who are capable of doing and trying just about anything and everything, dangerous or not, productive or not, while most if not all these products are nothing more nor less than than expensive fool’s errand at best, all the while padding the product manufactures wallets. Well you say . . . Mr. so and so contest winner does it does it then it must be good . . . sure. Or look at him; I want to look like him so I will do what he does. Well, good luck.

Now . . . they may be necessary, even ‘probably’ necessary if you are 300lbs of solid muscle and working out for 2 - 3 hours a day, maybe twice a day. And at this point in time, to the best of my knowledge, we don’t have any members like that, not that it matters, but at least you would be hearing it from the horses mouth instead of from the other end.

Jesus you took the words out of my mouth.

I remember starting out. I had a training program, I thought I had good form and mind muscle connection, I thought I trained hard

I had a lot of extra time I spent it researching and buying supplements. I had them all, I had 6 different ingredients in that intra shake. But did I actually isolate my side delts? Did I actually ensure I was getting stronger? Did I make sure I was getting enough sleep? An hour so a day reading about supplements could be spent sleeping or relaxing recovering.

I agree for the advanced where they are huge and lean, an intra shake to optimize the anabolic windows may result in actual gains. But for the masses who eat 200g protein, don't recover, don't know what failure is or to feel their side and rear delt get worked,.....you only have so much attention...they should focus it on what matters not distractions. Stepping over 100 dollar bills to pick up quarters.

 

[Elvia1023]

I agree for the advanced where they are huge and lean, an intra shake to optimize the anabolic windows may result in actual gains. But for the masses who eat 200g protein, don't recover, don't know what failure is or to feel their side and rear delt get worked,.....you only have so much attention...they should focus it on what matters not distractions. Stepping over 100 dollar bills to pick up quarters.

(only a tiny part of this post is directed towards your quote)

Very true but this is professional muscle and whilst many may not be advanced surely most people contemplating intra nutrition what to be the best version of themselves. Most of the guys commenting want to be as big and lean as possible. Half the guys with the loudest voices on subjects like this have never been big and lean so of course intra nutrition should be their last concern.

What I don't get are when guys slate all intra nutrition and state it's bullshit and a waste of time. I especially don't get it when the person has never even tried any of these things. It should go without stating that if a person is eating 100% that they don't need intra nutrition but it still doesn't mean they can't benefit from it. Of course if you are having 6 solid meals and high quality protein with pre and post workout meals taking an intra shake could even go against you. Although there are 1001 variables to this and I can't cover them all.

Intra nutrition is essentially an extra meal and so it's another feeding so how is that not benefitting someone especially if they are aiming to grow and struggling to fit meals in. What if they are using insulin. What if they are training over 90 mins. All obvious things and what many of us do. Yet guys who have never even done any of this think it's all bullshit. The supplement industry is obviously full of bullshit but some of the products actually work. Yes guys on 30 supps could probably half to 15 and not notice a difference but consuming 20g EAA's and 50-100g's of hbcd's with some insulin preworkout could make a huge difference to someone's physique over time. That is just 1 example and I have known many (beginner, intermediate and advanced) who have noticed a big difference from adding in an intra shake.

There are 1001 different reasons but ok let's take someone who is not eating as good as they could do. Yes I 100% agree they should concentrate on the basics. They shouldn't be looking for the magic drug, supplement or even training program. They should be eating good quality food consistently and training hard etc etc. Forget about fancy products but at the same time if they are trying to grow muscle something as simple as an intra shake added to their day could result in them getting bigger and better over time. It reminds me of the guys who think whey protein is not food. All these things contain macronutrients. Some are rapidly digested so can be extremely useful at select times.

Then this talk about it's all the same and just do whatever you want intra workout is complete nonsense. Yes everyone is vastly different in regards to stomach sensitivity but there can be huge differences between carb and protein products. So yes some guys can take whey protein and add in 60g dextrose and drink that training but it's far from optimal and for most that would not be good. If that was the case we could all just have a whey and oat shake during training. Even if I have whey only in plenty of water that doesn't sit well whilst training. 30g dextrose might be ok but 60g will have me very bloated.

I am just 1 person but I gone over this with numerous people over the years and most are similar. I have also experimented massively on myself so I know how vastly different I respond to all the different carb and protein powders. Some guys have a whey shake during training one day and it doesn't sit well and that means all intra nutrition is bullshit to them. This is why I recommend EAA's and HBCD's to people because they are generally the best. Some guys may prefer karboload or even just gatorade (different versions) but they would only know if they asked experimented which means actually trying the different products.

Many guys don't like drinking anything whilst training so it's obviously not for them but it still doesn't make it bullshit. Some guys only train for 50 mins so they don't need it either but even some of them could benefit. Now for a guy who is trying to grow and build an impressive physique and is eating consistently and training hard for 90min+ it could make a big difference to their overall results. I noticed a big difference in my overall recovery when I added in intra shakes and I eat 5+ meals daily 95% of the year. It's not for everyone but if you are going to completely dismiss it at least try the actual products we are posting about for a few months before doing so.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

(only a tiny part of this post is directed towards your quote)

Very true but this is professional muscle and whilst many may not be advanced surely most people contemplating intra nutrition what to be the best version of themselves. Most of the guys commenting want to be as big and lean as possible. Half the guys with the loudest voices on subjects like this have never been big and lean so of course intra nutrition should be their last concern.

What I don't get are when guys slate all intra nutrition and state it's bullshit and a waste of time. I especially don't get it when the person has never even tried any of these things. It should go without stating that if a person is eating 100% that they don't need intra nutrition but it still doesn't mean they can't benefit from it. Of course if you are having 6 solid meals and high quality protein with pre and post workout meals taking an intra shake could even go against you. Although there are 1001 variables to this and I can't cover them all.

Intra nutrition is essentially an extra meal and so it's another feeding so how is that not benefitting someone especially if they are aiming to grow and struggling to fit meals in. What if they are using insulin. What if they are training over 90 mins. All obvious things and what many of us do. Yet guys who have never even done any of this think it's all bullshit. The supplement industry is obviously full of bullshit but some of the products actually work. Yes guys on 30 supps could probably half to 15 and not notice a difference but consuming 20g EAA's and 50-100g's of hbcd's with some insulin preworkout could make a huge difference to someone's physique over time. That is just 1 example and I have known many (beginner, intermediate and advanced) who have noticed a big difference from adding in an intra shake.

There are 1001 different reasons but ok let's take someone who is not eating as good as they could do. Yes I 100% agree they should concentrate on the basics. They shouldn't be looking for the magic drug, supplement or even training program. They should be eating good quality food consistently and training hard etc etc. Forget about fancy products but at the same time if they are trying to grow muscle something as simple as an intra shake added to their day could result in them getting bigger and better over time. It reminds me of the guys who think whey protein is not food. All these things contain macronutrients. Some are rapidly digested so can be extremely useful at select times.

Then this talk about it's all the same and just do whatever you want intra workout is complete nonsense. Yes everyone is vastly different in regards to stomach sensitivity but there can be huge differences between carb and protein products. So yes some guys can take whey protein and add in 60g dextrose and drink that training but it's far from optimal and for most that would not be good. If that was the case we could all just have a whey and oat shake during training. Even if I have whey only in plenty of water that doesn't sit well whilst training. 30g dextrose might be ok but 60g will have me very bloated.

I am just 1 person but I gone over this with numerous people over the years and most are similar. I have also experimented massively on myself so I know how vastly different I respond to all the different carb and protein powders. Some guys have a whey shake during training one day and it doesn't sit well and that means all intra nutrition is bullshit to them. This is why I recommend EAA's and HBCD's to people because they are generally the best. Some guys may prefer karboload or even just gatorade (different versions) but they would only know if they asked experimented which means actually trying the different products.

Many guys don't like drinking anything whilst training so it's obviously not for them but it still doesn't make it bullshit. Some guys only train for 50 mins so they don't need it either but even some of them could benefit. Now for a guy who is trying to grow and build an impressive physique and is eating consistently and training hard for 90min+ it could make a big difference to their overall results. I noticed a big difference in my overall recovery when I added in intra shakes and I eat 5+ meals daily 95% of the year. It's not for everyone but if you are going to completely dismiss it at least try the actual products we are posting about for a few months before doing so.

What are you suggesting then? I do it easy peasy no frills. I save my gallon water cartons (hopefully ideally I have all ingredients stocked) fill them with:

Filtered mineral water
4 scoops Alpha EAA + BCAA (20g) or hydro whey if I'm out
3g creatine
10 scoops Gatorade drink mix (sucrose, dextrose)
2 tbsp honey (per advice from a board member)
1 heaping tbsp salt

Additionally:
2-10 units Hum [R] pre on my out the door
10mg cialis
Currently out of Synthetine for IM inj (have to get a couple more bottles)

But again, this is ideal. This is if I have everything. That lasts me through my workout quite well but then 30min to 1hr later have a high protein/high carb meal (800-1000cals) with vit C 1000mg + B-complex which varies depending on what I have on hand because the slin is still in full swing and I'm hungry AF. Somewhat similar to what Milos suggests. Especially with the Synthetine. It does make a difference. Especially over time. But I know guys who do this with stims and a whole, whole lot more intra but all those ratchet up my BP too high.

Are you saying go higher EAA or higher molecular weight carbs or...? The drink has to remain thin. It can't be a thick shake or I'll spew.

 

[Elvia1023]

What are you suggesting then? I do it easy peasy no frills. I save my gallon water cartons (hopefully ideally I have all ingredients stocked) fill them with:

Filtered mineral water
4 scoops Alpha EAA + BCAA (20g) or hydro whey if I'm out
3g creatine
10 scoops Gatorade drink mix (sucrose, dextrose)
2 tbsp honey (per advice from a board member)
1 heaping tbsp salt

Additionally:
2-10 units Hum [R] pre on my out the door
10mg cialis
Currently out of Synthetine for IM inj (have to get a couple more bottles)

But again, this is ideal. This is if I have everything. That lasts me through my workout quite well but then 30min to 1hr later have a high protein/high carb meal (800-1000cals) with vit C 1000mg + B-complex which varies depending on what I have on hand because the slin is still in full swing and I'm hungry AF. Somewhat similar to what Milos suggests. Especially with the Synthetine. It does make a difference. Especially over time. But I know guys who do this with stims and a whole, whole lot more intra but all those ratchet up my BP too high.

Are you saying go higher EAA or higher molecular weight carbs or...? The drink has to remain thin. It can't be a thick shake or I'll spew.

I am not recommending anything specific. My post was directed towards people who think intra nutrition in it's entirety is pointless or a scam and they have never even experimented with it.

Your plan looks good and I don't see anything wrong with it. If it's working I wouldn't be making any major changes. If you are having any issues then you should make changes. I am a big fan of a small amount of honey added.

The best combination of ingredients is different for everyone. I personally prefer HBCD's and I can use large amounts with no bloating. I usually combine that with honey.

20g EAA's is plenty so you don't need more. I am a big fan of glutamine so usually add that in the morning and intra workout. It's a great stomach/intestinal aid and goes well with insulin.

Your stack looks good so if it's working I wouldn't change anything.

 

[Dens228]

What are you suggesting then? I do it easy peasy no frills. I save my gallon water cartons (hopefully ideally I have all ingredients stocked) fill them with:

Filtered mineral water
4 scoops Alpha EAA + BCAA (20g) or hydro whey if I'm out
3g creatine
10 scoops Gatorade drink mix (sucrose, dextrose)
2 tbsp honey (per advice from a board member)
1 heaping tbsp salt

Additionally:
2-10 units Hum [R] pre on my out the door
10mg cialis
Currently out of Synthetine for IM inj (have to get a couple more bottles)

But again, this is ideal. This is if I have everything. That lasts me through my workout quite well but then 30min to 1hr later have a high protein/high carb meal (800-1000cals) with vit C 1000mg + B-complex which varies depending on what I have on hand because the slin is still in full swing and I'm hungry AF. Somewhat similar to what Milos suggests. Especially with the Synthetine. It does make a difference. Especially over time. But I know guys who do this with stims and a whole, whole lot more intra but all those ratchet up my BP too high.

Are you saying go higher EAA or higher molecular weight carbs or...? The drink has to remain thin. It can't be a thick shake or I'll spew.

Ten scoops of Gatorade mix? How many grams of carbs is that? Per my Gatorade container that would be 1,320 grams of carbs! And it would be so sweet I couldn't imagine drinking it.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

Ten scoops of Gatorade mix? How many grams of carbs is that? Per my Gatorade container that would be 1,320 grams of carbs! And it would be so sweet I couldn't imagine drinking it.

Nah. When you have as many kids around like I do, you save scoops from every container. I have a single serving scoop so the girls can make a single cup. It's about 8gms per scoop, around 320cals total.

...and you need to find a hobby there, Scooby-Doo.

 

[Dens228]

That makes more sense! I always buy the big container with the big scoops.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

I am not recommending anything specific. My post was directed towards people who think intra nutrition in it's entirety is pointless or a scam and they have never even experimented with it.

👍I agree. There is definitely a difference with workout calories. I used to really power through with caffeine tabs too but these days my heartrate gets a little too high.

 

[OuchThatHurts]

That makes more sense! I always buy the big container with the big scoop.

Same here. But the hooligans were putting a whole scoop into one glass/cup. Like candy syrup.

 

[Dens228]

Haha, I'm sure my kids would have done the same. At least they don't just pour the scoop directly into their mouth.

 

[qbkilla]

(only a tiny part of this post is directed towards your quote)

Very true but this is professional muscle and whilst many may not be advanced surely most people contemplating intra nutrition what to be the best version of themselves. Most of the guys commenting want to be as big and lean as possible. Half the guys with the loudest voices on subjects like this have never been big and lean so of course intra nutrition should be their last concern.

What I don't get are when guys slate all intra nutrition and state it's bullshit and a waste of time. I especially don't get it when the person has never even tried any of these things. It should go without stating that if a person is eating 100% that they don't need intra nutrition but it still doesn't mean they can't benefit from it. Of course if you are having 6 solid meals and high quality protein with pre and post workout meals taking an intra shake could even go against you. Although there are 1001 variables to this and I can't cover them all.

Intra nutrition is essentially an extra meal and so it's another feeding so how is that not benefitting someone especially if they are aiming to grow and struggling to fit meals in. What if they are using insulin. What if they are training over 90 mins. All obvious things and what many of us do. Yet guys who have never even done any of this think it's all bullshit. The supplement industry is obviously full of bullshit but some of the products actually work. Yes guys on 30 supps could probably half to 15 and not notice a difference but consuming 20g EAA's and 50-100g's of hbcd's with some insulin preworkout could make a huge difference to someone's physique over time. That is just 1 example and I have known many (beginner, intermediate and advanced) who have noticed a big difference from adding in an intra shake.

There are 1001 different reasons but ok let's take someone who is not eating as good as they could do. Yes I 100% agree they should concentrate on the basics. They shouldn't be looking for the magic drug, supplement or even training program. They should be eating good quality food consistently and training hard etc etc. Forget about fancy products but at the same time if they are trying to grow muscle something as simple as an intra shake added to their day could result in them getting bigger and better over time. It reminds me of the guys who think whey protein is not food. All these things contain macronutrients. Some are rapidly digested so can be extremely useful at select times.

Then this talk about it's all the same and just do whatever you want intra workout is complete nonsense. Yes everyone is vastly different in regards to stomach sensitivity but there can be huge differences between carb and protein products. So yes some guys can take whey protein and add in 60g dextrose and drink that training but it's far from optimal and for most that would not be good. If that was the case we could all just have a whey and oat shake during training. Even if I have whey only in plenty of water that doesn't sit well whilst training. 30g dextrose might be ok but 60g will have me very bloated.

I am just 1 person but I gone over this with numerous people over the years and most are similar. I have also experimented massively on myself so I know how vastly different I respond to all the different carb and protein powders. Some guys have a whey shake during training one day and it doesn't sit well and that means all intra nutrition is bullshit to them. This is why I recommend EAA's and HBCD's to people because they are generally the best. Some guys may prefer karboload or even just gatorade (different versions) but they would only know if they asked experimented which means actually trying the different products.

Many guys don't like drinking anything whilst training so it's obviously not for them but it still doesn't make it bullshit. Some guys only train for 50 mins so they don't need it either but even some of them could benefit. Now for a guy who is trying to grow and build an impressive physique and is eating consistently and training hard for 90min+ it could make a big difference to their overall results. I noticed a big difference in my overall recovery when I added in intra shakes and I eat 5+ meals daily 95% of the year. It's not for everyone but if you are going to completely dismiss it at least try the actual products we are posting about for a few months before doing so.

I agree for the most part.

There are a few who imo would benefit from a complex intra workout mixture of carbs protein+ supplements, but imo a small percentage of all AAS users

Those who are close to their genetic potential and need that last 1 percent optimization

Those huge guys eating 6k plus who can't get all that whole food day in day out

The ones that aren't eating right to begin with, these are who I'm referring to. If someone isn't eating a proper diet but optimizing the intra mix I think they would be better focusing on priorities. Like If I told you I'm doing 35 sets for bis should I do preacher curls or barbell curls on Friday? Your going to tell me "don't worry about it you need to cut volume and make sure your training your arms hard because I know your not because you can do 35 damn sets of biceps"

It's like me asking what braind creatine is best when I'm eating 120g protein.

As for the insulin, it may be me, but I've always used solid food. Even when feeling like I was going hypo a piece of fruit down the hatch got me back. You probably know more than me about the pre and post workout window but when I've researched it, everything I read (Alan argon etc) said we don't need those fast carbs regular carbs will aid in recovery just as much. Maybe other sources have different info, I still feel it's a best practice to eat a pre and post meal with protein and carbs, but it's not as imperative that we get the carbs and protein in ASAP to maximize gains like I had always thought until I looked into it further.

 

[Sully1234]

I'll probably get shit for saying this but..... The Biotest "Surge Workout Fuel" was by far the best supplement I ever took.

It's hard to explain but my pace was (for me) incredible as well as recovery and I would just keep going because I felt so "fresh" even after 90 minutes of hitting it hard.

This was back like 2012 though, they must have changed it since then but I imagine I could recreate it from TN bulk powders.

Edit: Okay sorry the point was to those saying intra "aren't needed" well yeah neither is fucking tren lol

 

[Orly2311]

Intra drink does work. I’m currently using true nutrition karboload and peptopro along with beta alanine and citrulline malate

 

[claymore]

I’ve used hbcd, karbolyn, glucose syrup, Gatorade, dextrose etc.
the only difference I’ve noticed between them is in my wallet.
My intra is 4 scoops humapro and either body armor or regular Gatorade.
If you digest it well and it doesn’t bother your stomach it’s fine.

If I’m not mistaken in the DC dvd with Justin Harris he’s drinking whey isolate and Gatorade.

Totally agree !!!!!!! I’ve used it all and I keep it extremely simple these days, cranberry juice, pomegranate juice, Powerade/Gatorade even used the body armor once or twice.