I agree for the advanced where they are huge and lean, an intra shake to optimize the anabolic windows may result in actual gains. But for the masses who eat 200g protein, don't recover, don't know what failure is or to feel their side and rear delt get worked,.....you only have so much attention...they should focus it on what matters not distractions. Stepping over 100 dollar bills to pick up quarters.
(only a tiny part of this post is directed towards your quote)
Very true but this is professional muscle and whilst many may not be advanced surely most people contemplating intra nutrition what to be the best version of themselves. Most of the guys commenting want to be as big and lean as possible. Half the guys with the loudest voices on subjects like this have never been big and lean so of course intra nutrition should be their last concern.
What I don't get are when guys slate all intra nutrition and state it's bullshit and a waste of time. I especially don't get it when the person has never even tried any of these things. It should go without stating that if a person is eating 100% that they don't need intra nutrition but it still doesn't mean they can't benefit from it. Of course if you are having 6 solid meals and high quality protein with pre and post workout meals taking an intra shake could even go against you. Although there are 1001 variables to this and I can't cover them all.
Intra nutrition is essentially an extra meal and so it's another feeding so how is that not benefitting someone especially if they are aiming to grow and struggling to fit meals in. What if they are using insulin. What if they are training over 90 mins. All obvious things and what many of us do. Yet guys who have never even done any of this think it's all bullshit. The supplement industry is obviously full of bullshit but some of the products actually work. Yes guys on 30 supps could probably half to 15 and not notice a difference but consuming 20g EAA's and 50-100g's of hbcd's with some insulin preworkout could make a huge difference to someone's physique over time. That is just 1 example and I have known many (beginner, intermediate and advanced) who have noticed a big difference from adding in an intra shake.
There are 1001 different reasons but ok let's take someone who is not eating as good as they could do. Yes I 100% agree they should concentrate on the basics. They shouldn't be looking for the magic drug, supplement or even training program. They should be eating good quality food consistently and training hard etc etc. Forget about fancy products but at the same time if they are trying to grow muscle something as simple as an intra shake added to their day could result in them getting bigger and better over time. It reminds me of the guys who think whey protein is not food. All these things contain macronutrients. Some are rapidly digested so can be extremely useful at select times.
Then this talk about it's all the same and just do whatever you want intra workout is complete nonsense. Yes everyone is vastly different in regards to stomach sensitivity but there can be huge differences between carb and protein products. So yes some guys can take whey protein and add in 60g dextrose and drink that training but it's far from optimal and for most that would not be good. If that was the case we could all just have a whey and oat shake during training. Even if I have whey only in plenty of water that doesn't sit well whilst training. 30g dextrose might be ok but 60g will have me very bloated.
I am just 1 person but I gone over this with numerous people over the years and most are similar. I have also experimented massively on myself so I know how vastly different I respond to all the different carb and protein powders. Some guys have a whey shake during training one day and it doesn't sit well and that means all intra nutrition is bullshit to them. This is why I recommend EAA's and HBCD's to people because they are generally the best. Some guys may prefer karboload or even just gatorade (different versions) but they would only know if they asked experimented which means actually trying the different products.
Many guys don't like drinking anything whilst training so it's obviously not for them but it still doesn't make it bullshit. Some guys only train for 50 mins so they don't need it either but even some of them could benefit. Now for a guy who is trying to grow and build an impressive physique and is eating consistently and training hard for 90min+ it could make a big difference to their overall results. I noticed a big difference in my overall recovery when I added in intra shakes and I eat 5+ meals daily 95% of the year. It's not for everyone but if you are going to completely dismiss it at least try the actual products we are posting about for a few months before doing so.