Vic Martinez

[Boo]

I took these pics off of GetBig and the poster asked a thought provoaking question.

We have on this board ( without question ) the formost expert on SEO's and a group superior, thinking bodybuilders. I would like to see comments on the vast improvement in the size of Vic's bi's and upper lats.

I can't seem to upload the pick ( can someone help ) so here's the link . . .

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=50515.0

Boo

 

[Iabadman]

I remember talking to Mike Mattarazo [he had bought into part of the Gold's that I trained at ,and we became friends for awhile ...pretty good guy I wish him well] about Vic when he first turned pro ..............He told me that the guy had a a bright future and was someone to watch .......I totally agreed ......But to see pics of him at the early shows last year and year before made me sad ......Site injects [ or synthol everywhere and not done well ] , he had a much bigger head and waist , and lost his crispness and detail ........He is so blessed [amazing ]that he can still be a threat in just about any show like this , but I thought he did himself a disservice . He did look smaller and much better [ more real too ] at the O this year ....but I still thought he looked smooth a lacked detail and that he was placed alittle too high IMO......I hope he continues to down size and gets into great shape , because he has the potential to have a truely beautiful physique without a doubt .......There are lots of rumors about the guy , but I dont know him .......I just wish him health , happiness , and great success.[ and as a fan I hope he puts it all together one day .......because that would be an awesome site!]

Ever wonder why guys today dont reach that really hard condition with clean lines and seperation ? IMO by 93 conditioning has slowly got worse and worse .......Of course there exceptions [ dave henery , darrem charles , and a few otheres come to mind consistantly ]Hmmmm.....Do you think that massive amounts of GH , insulin, test , and site injects have anything to do with it ? Hmmm ...things like plasma expanders , crazy depleating schedules, IV loads , wild diurectics proticals really werent being used prior to 93 ........Hmmmm kinda makes you think . Doesnt it ? And guys arent even getting better[ only bigger , not better IMO ] and taking much greater risks .........sad but true .........things that make you go Hmmmm......

 

[AWN2004]

Its been a while since I posted but I had a very similar chat about this thing (the lack of conditioning) with a buddy a day or two ago. It just seems like people are losing that dry, hard look. You had a couple guys look really good a while back and then it just went down the tubes. Even Art Atwood a couple of years ago looked very dry and hard as nails at the O and every since then it seems he is playing a size game. I think everything has to be factored in.....huge off-season diets, insulin, and drug use all play a role..but maybe more and more people are thinking BIG wins shows? Its almost as if people try and play with Ronnie and Jay game instead of focusing on what they do best. For instance people say Mark Dugdale needs at add all this size but at the same time if he did it would take away from the very thing that makes his physique so great. I wish more people would listen to themself instead of taking too many peoples opinions into consideration.

 

[Jwillbc55]

About the conditioning not being as good as it was who is truly to blame the athletes or the judges? When the judges always place the HUGE guys in the top 6 what are the athletes to do other than try to get that big themselves? You talk about Darrem and David Henry being the best conditioned but neither of them placed anywhere near the money at the Olympia. I think we all would like to see the placings change quite a bit but the judges have set a precedent about what wins in this sport and the athletes compete to win. Nobody is going to throw their lives into this game and attempt to present a physique that is awarded 9th place and makes $500.

 

[go yankees]

About the conditioning not being as good as it was who is truly to blame the athletes or the judges? When the judges always place the HUGE guys in the top 6 what are the athletes to do other than try to get that big themselves? You talk about Darrem and David Henry being the best conditioned but neither of them placed anywhere near the money at the Olympia. I think we all would like to see the placings change quite a bit but the judges have set a precedent about what wins in this sport and the athletes compete to win. Nobody is going to throw their lives into this game and attempt to present a physique that is awarded 9th place and makes $500.

I couldn't agree more. What's Melvin Anthony to do, for example? He's blessed witha 29-inch waist, saw hope with the new IFBB judging criteria penalizing guts, and always brings an amazing routine to the show. This year there was no best poser award, and he finished outside the top-10...what's someone like Melvin supposed to take into the offseason?

 

[Jwillbc55]

And if you ask me Melvin Anthony looks better than each and every one of the top 6 at the Olympia and he performs better than everyone. There's just no winning for him I guess.

 

[TooPowerful4u]

I have noticed that and really wonder. Id you look at early pictures of Jay Cutler, his back looks detailed n seperated. Not flurry n massive as it does now??? Markus Ruhl looked much drier n seperated in areas than he does now. Ronnie Colemans quads were much more seperated. I always wondered how they LOSE seperation in bodyparts instead of it improving???

 

[Snarf]

I really think we started seeing less dryness and seperation around the time we started seeing guts. My guess is that this is GH/insulin related. Not exactly sure why this would cause it, but the timing seems to point in that direction.

One theory is that if we are truly seeing increased hyperplasia due to the GH use, this may blur seperation by actually creating new muscle versus hypertrophy where you are simply making existing muscles larger. No idea if this is actually true. I would love to hear physiologic ideas on why we are seeing this.

 

[Boo]

Great comments guys, but what about those pics of Vic? Does it seem to you that he has used SEO's or is that type of change in bicep mass and structure possible through training.

Boo.

 

[Snarf]

Great comments guys, but what about those pics of Vic? Does it seem to you that he has used SEO's or is that type of change in bicep mass and structure possible through training.

Boo.

Is that ype of growth possible? I think it is.

Did he use oil? I think he did.